Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2)

[closg00]

Phil doesn't necessarily have to be a GM to stay out-West Verbal. Couldn't you see a West Coast team creating a FO position for Phil? Perhaps pair him with one of the younger West Coast GM's.

[hands11]

http://dimemag.com/2014/02/15-lopsided- ... a-history/

Kwame and Profit for Tough Juice makes the list of top 15 best/worst trades.

15. Los Angeles trades Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins to Washington for Kwame Brown and Laron Profit.

EG doesn't always blow it.

Of interest is Kwame's name showing up again in the Gasol trade.

They have the Webber trade buried in there as a good one that could have made the list, but say it doesn't make the list because Webber didn't do enough while with the Bullet.

Well that is in part because another worst trade was made in trading Webber.

7. Sacramento Kings get Chris Webber; Washington Wizards get Mitch Richmond and Otis Thorpe ( who was responsible for that ? )

And what did the Kings have to give away for a decade’s worth of success and an MVP candidate? Mitch Richmond, who was already 33 years old at the time, and Otis Thorpe, a 36-year-old who spent a year with the Bullets before getting traded the following offseason.

[verbal8]

If the Wizards make the 2nd round of the play-offs, I think EG gets whatever his asking price is on an extension. Not saying that I agree with the decision, but I think based on the goals of the owner he would have met exceeded them.

However with a relatively likely 1st round exit, I think things could get interesting. EG is going to want a contract based on his current deal, which apparently is one of the larger GM contracts. If the Wizards try to offering him market rate, I could see him being insulted by the deal and walking away. Or possibly negotiating a "consulting position" that involves less pay, but also a lot less work.

[montestewart]

If the Wizards make the 2nd round of the play-offs, I think EG gets whatever his asking price is on an extension. Not saying that I agree with the decision, but I think based on the goals of the owner he would have met exceeded them.

However with a relatively likely 1st round exit, I think things could get interesting. EG is going to want a contract based on his current deal, which apparently is one of the larger GM contracts. If the Wizards try to offering him market rate, I could see him being insulted by the deal and walking away. Or possibly negotiating a "consulting position" that involves less pay, but also a lot less work.

Less work is good. They should have him focus his energies on emerging basketball talent in Antarctica and Oceania and check in every 2-3 years.

[verbal8]

If the Wizards make the 2nd round of the play-offs, I think EG gets whatever his asking price is on an extension. Not saying that I agree with the decision, but I think based on the goals of the owner he would have met exceeded them.

However with a relatively likely 1st round exit, I think things could get interesting. EG is going to want a contract based on his current deal, which apparently is one of the larger GM contracts. If the Wizards try to offering him market rate, I could see him being insulted by the deal and walking away. Or possibly negotiating a "consulting position" that involves less pay, but also a lot less work.

Less work is good. They should have him focus his energies on emerging basketball talent in Antarctica and Oceania and check in every 2-3 years.

You know he hasn't selected a draft bust from those areas...yet

[Nivek]

Need to change the thread title. We're now in a countdown to the Ernie Grunfeld Extension.

[dckingsfan]

Need to change the thread title. We're now in a countdown to the Ernie Grunfeld Extension.

[dckingsfan]

This makes me extremely sad... EG has arguably been the worst GM over the last decade (almost for sure a bottom 3) when evaluated on all his moves. Alas, the EG/Witt tandem will most likely be here for another couple of years.

[hands11]

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1212954&start=75

hands11 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:45 pm
Lets see. He signed a two year contract around May this year, right.

So that puts the count down at around 18 mouths.

AFM on Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:19 pm
That's 18 months until Ted gives him another extension.

[mohammed10]

I try to give credit where credit is due. Ernie blew up a poorly constructed team (which he constructed) and built a slightly better, albeit more balanced squad. This edition has some youth and veterans (Whitman actually has them playing some defense, too).

However, it is virtually impossible not to look at the job Ernie has done (even over the past 4-5 years) and see a lot of missed opportunities and aiming for the apparent goal of mediocrity. The Gortat trade, for example, has turned out pretty well. However, the trade cost the team another potentially key piece in a lottery protected first round pick. And more importantly, as others have pointed out, with better roster construction, the Gortat trade would not have been necessary.

I am coming to terms with the fact that Turd will bring back Ernie, because Turd set a goal, and barring a collapse (or another injury 'excuse'), Ernie will reach the goal. Ernie’s a borderline competent GM in terms of being able to execute moves, etc. But IMO, he seriously lacks the vision and ability to take this team to the next level (deep playoff run). Same with Wittman, but I will save that for another thread.

[paulpressey25]

Guys, you can visit my game thread for tonight's game against the Bucks.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1308576

As always, I have plenty of discussion in the game thread of how the Wiz and Bucks are the same franchise. Well, actually we crush you guys in certain performance metrics.

Grunfeld has been GM of these two powerhouses for a combined 15 of the last 20 years I believe.

[LyricalRico]

Need to change the thread title. We're now in a countdown to the Ernie Grunfeld Extension.

[payitforward]

Need to change the thread title. We're now in a countdown to the Ernie Grunfeld Extension.

Almost certainly. Especially because of the extraordinary success of taking a team w/ more high picks and cap flexibility than any other team during the period and achieving the extraordinary success of having a zero-point differential over 60 games.

Not to mention the success of making a total of 3 demonstrably good draft picks out of the last 14 opportunities -- and not doing so well before those either, btw!

Oh, and turning us into one of the older teams in the league, throwing away almost all our future assets, more or less jettisoning all cap flexibility, and insuring that there is no way we'll contend for a title ever even once in this generation of players.

Sign that man up, you bet.

[TGW]

Dallas fans are talking about signing both Ariza and Gortat.

Wouldn't it be a kick in the balls if the Wizards resign Grunfeld and company, and Gortat and Ariza end up signing elsewhere. I'd officially be done with this team.

[dckingsfan]

Dallas fans are talking about signing both Ariza and Gortat.

Wouldn't it be a kick in the balls if the Wizards resign Grunfeld and company, and Gortat and Ariza end up signing elsewhere. I'd officially be done with this team.

And as a Wizards fan - you kinda get that lump in your throat and pit in your stomach knowing it is Cuban vs Grunfeld...

[Ruzious]

Dallas fans are talking about signing both Ariza and Gortat.

Wouldn't it be a kick in the balls if the Wizards resign Grunfeld and company, and Gortat and Ariza end up signing elsewhere. I'd officially be done with this team.

And as a Wizards fan - you kinda get that lump in your throat and pit in your stomach knowing it is Cuban vs Grunfeld...

True, but the hopes of a couple of Mavs fans on a message board does not equal the thoughts of Mark Cuban.

[dckingsfan]

Dallas fans are talking about signing both Ariza and Gortat.

Wouldn't it be a kick in the balls if the Wizards resign Grunfeld and company, and Gortat and Ariza end up signing elsewhere. I'd officially be done with this team.

And as a Wizards fan - you kinda get that lump in your throat and pit in your stomach knowing it is Cuban vs Grunfeld...

True, but the hopes of a couple of Mavs fans on a message board does not equal the thoughts of Mark Cuban.

True - and Cuban may be going for Anthony or LeBron or... Just saying that Ariza and/or Gortat could be in the crosshairs if all that falls through... hoping not.

[Zonkerbl]

Um... good riddance? They're good players but they are also replaceable. If Cuban wants them he can overpay them. We shouldn't. We can't afford to.

[verbal8]

And as a Wizards fan - you kinda get that lump in your throat and pit in your stomach knowing it is Cuban vs Grunfeld...

True, but the hopes of a couple of Mavs fans on a message board does not equal the thoughts of Mark Cuban.

True - and Cuban may be going for Anthony or LeBron or... Just saying that Ariza and/or Gortat could be in the crosshairs if all that falls through... hoping not.

Here is the scary thing. Depending on what Dirk takes for salary next year, the Mavs could be in play for LeBron/Anthony and Gortat. With a $60 million cap, the Mavs have 24 million in salary(without Dirk). A max free agent would be 21 million. So that leaves $15 million for Dirk to share with a free agent. Cap holds don't matter since Dirk and the 2nd free agent are filling the 11th and 12th spots.

If a guy like Gortat is available, they probably get Dirk to take a 1 year cheap deal and make it to him next year with Bird rights. In this scenario they renounce Vince Carter, Marion and Bernard James. However they would have the whole MLE to try to bring them back, or get a 3rd free agent.

In practice Dirk has to sign his deal 1st, due to his cap hold.

[nate33]

That's a scary scenario, but it really all hinges on Dallas landing that 1st tier star like Lebron or Carmelo. If they don't, then Dallas is really trying to woo Gortat to play for a team built around Monta Ellis and a 36-year-old Dirk Nowitzki. If the money is similar, I think the better option for Gortat is to play with the up-and-coming Wizards in the Eastern Conference.