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Ok, just call me Mr Gores. The job is yours. I know you will not resign CV or Stuckey. Chauncey will retire and become a high paid greeter at the Palace. Oh, and since the last guy with the job f--ked up so bad, we still have our first round pick this year, but it is #8. So what are you going to do?
My personal plan would be:
1. Draft Marcus Smart
2. Trade Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings for high character players, hopefully with only 1 year left on their deals
3. Sign a middle tier free agent SF (Ariza, Hayward, Tucker?, etc) or make a trade (Barnes, Parsons, etc)
Oh, and get a top notch coach, maybe with a last name of Van Gundy or Karl.
My personal plan would be:
1. Draft Marcus Smart
2. Trade Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings for high character players, hopefully with only 1 year left on their deals
3. Sign a middle tier free agent SF (Ariza, Hayward, Tucker?, etc) or make a trade (Barnes, Parsons, etc)
Oh, and get a top notch coach, maybe with a last name of Van Gundy or Karl.
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Go into the off season and try to build the best defensive squad I can. Try and trade Smith but it won't happen so I would look to sign and trade Monroe for the highest pick I can get in this years draft or for a solid wing.
Coach- Hollins (Defensive minded coach perfect for the defensive culture I want)
Draft- Marcus Smart (Lock down defender at the Point, Can take the ball inside), Then hopefully with whatever pick I get for Monroe I can draft Rodney Hood or McDermott.
Trades- Jennings would be my top priority but the only team I see taking him would be the Knicks. So probably something centered around Jennings for Shumpert.
FAs- Meeks, Deng or Ariza, and a backup center Okafor or Hill.
Waive- Jerebko, Jorts
Lineup-
Smart/Bynum
KCP/Shumpert/Meeks
Deng/Hood or McDermott/Singler
Smith/Mitchell
Drummond/Okafor
My floor spacing would still suck though, So I would probably target Ariza first before Deng.
Coach- Hollins (Defensive minded coach perfect for the defensive culture I want)
Draft- Marcus Smart (Lock down defender at the Point, Can take the ball inside), Then hopefully with whatever pick I get for Monroe I can draft Rodney Hood or McDermott.
Trades- Jennings would be my top priority but the only team I see taking him would be the Knicks. So probably something centered around Jennings for Shumpert.
FAs- Meeks, Deng or Ariza, and a backup center Okafor or Hill.
Waive- Jerebko, Jorts
Lineup-
Smart/Bynum
KCP/Shumpert/Meeks
Deng/Hood or McDermott/Singler
Smith/Mitchell
Drummond/Okafor
My floor spacing would still suck though, So I would probably target Ariza first before Deng.
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1. You can't plan to draft anyone, Smart won't be available at 8.
2. Unfortunately the other GMs are not idiots and trade high character guys for Smennings.
3. There will be quite a lot of competition for a quality SF on the free agent market.
I mean getting rid of Smith/Jennings, hiring a good coach and hopefully have a draft pick and pick a talented perimeter guy should be common sense. Thats not rocket science.
I think a new GM can't fix this mess in one season. If he could get rid of one of Smith/Jennings - that would be a good start. The most important acquisition will be a decent coach. The Pistons haven't had one since Flip Saunders.
2. Unfortunately the other GMs are not idiots and trade high character guys for Smennings.
3. There will be quite a lot of competition for a quality SF on the free agent market.
I mean getting rid of Smith/Jennings, hiring a good coach and hopefully have a draft pick and pick a talented perimeter guy should be common sense. Thats not rocket science.
I think a new GM can't fix this mess in one season. If he could get rid of one of Smith/Jennings - that would be a good start. The most important acquisition will be a decent coach. The Pistons haven't had one since Flip Saunders.
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Trade 1: Josh Smith, Jonas Jerebko (use Andre Miller TPE), Will Bynum, Gigi Datome for JaVale McGee, Wilson Chandler
-We dump ~$5.5 mil of salary off next year's books, ship out Josh and balance the roster with Chandler at SF and bring two Michigan products back home.
Trade 2: KCP & #8 for #5 - draft Dante Exum, take LaQuinton Ross in round 2
FA - after trade 1 we should have enough cap room to sign Lance Stephenson while leaving Monroe on his cap hold, allow Monroe to negotiate a deal in the market and match the offer.
Jennings/Exum/Siva
Stephenson/(Exum)/Ross
Chandler/Singler/Mitchell
Monroe/Harrellson
Drummond/McGee
I like the Karl idea, we need a coach with some stones who'll hold the team accountable.
-We dump ~$5.5 mil of salary off next year's books, ship out Josh and balance the roster with Chandler at SF and bring two Michigan products back home.
Trade 2: KCP & #8 for #5 - draft Dante Exum, take LaQuinton Ross in round 2
FA - after trade 1 we should have enough cap room to sign Lance Stephenson while leaving Monroe on his cap hold, allow Monroe to negotiate a deal in the market and match the offer.
Jennings/Exum/Siva
Stephenson/(Exum)/Ross
Chandler/Singler/Mitchell
Monroe/Harrellson
Drummond/McGee
I like the Karl idea, we need a coach with some stones who'll hold the team accountable.
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Joe Asberry wrote:1. You can't plan to draft anyone, Smart won't be available at 8.
we can always trade up if we decide smart is our guy.
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Piston Prince wrote:Trade 1: Josh Smith, Jonas Jerebko (use Andre Miller TPE), Will Bynum, Gigi Datome for JaVale McGee, Wilson Chandler
-We dump ~$5.5 mil of salary off next year's books, ship out Josh and balance the roster with Chandler at SF and bring two Michigan products back home.
Trade 2: KCP & #8 for #5 - draft Dante Exum, take LaQuinton Ross in round 2
FA - after trade 1 we should have enough cap room to sign Lance Stephenson while leaving Monroe on his cap hold, allow Monroe to negotiate a deal in the market and match the offer.
Jennings/Exum/Siva
Stephenson/(Exum)/Ross
Chandler/Singler/Mitchell
Monroe/Harrellson
Drummond/McGee
I like the Karl idea, we need a coach with some stones who'll hold the team accountable.
those are two pretty bad off the wall trade ideas lol. why would we want mcgee to be our backup center? why would we move KCP, our most recent 1st rounder, along with our newest 1st rounder to draft a complete question mark?
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Joe Asberry wrote:1. You can't plan to draft anyone, Smart won't be available at 8.
He might, None of the teams picking ahead of us really need a PG besides for the Lakers and possibly Kings. The lakers will take Exum more then likely and the Kings might go another route.
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jakebernat wrote:Piston Prince wrote:Trade 1: Josh Smith, Jonas Jerebko (use Andre Miller TPE), Will Bynum, Gigi Datome for JaVale McGee, Wilson Chandler
-We dump ~$5.5 mil of salary off next year's books, ship out Josh and balance the roster with Chandler at SF and bring two Michigan products back home.
Trade 2: KCP & #8 for #5 - draft Dante Exum, take LaQuinton Ross in round 2
FA - after trade 1 we should have enough cap room to sign Lance Stephenson while leaving Monroe on his cap hold, allow Monroe to negotiate a deal in the market and match the offer.
Jennings/Exum/Siva
Stephenson/(Exum)/Ross
Chandler/Singler/Mitchell
Monroe/Harrellson
Drummond/McGee
I like the Karl idea, we need a coach with some stones who'll hold the team accountable.
those are two pretty bad off the wall trade ideas lol. why would we want mcgee to be our backup center? why would we move KCP, our most recent 1st rounder, along with our newest 1st rounder to draft a complete question mark?
1) If you think we are going to dump Smith without taking back a contract I've got some ocean front property in Detroit for you.
2) KCP has shown nothing, I like the potential of a Exum/Stephenson backcourt. KCP is the only chip we'd have that could turn #8 into where Exum will go.
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Joe Asberry wrote:2. Unfortunately the other GMs are not idiots and trade high character guys for Smennings.



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Is Gores selling the team an option?
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MotownMadness wrote:Joe Asberry wrote:1. You can't plan to draft anyone, Smart won't be available at 8.
He might, None of the teams picking ahead of us really need a PG besides for the Lakers and possibly Kings. The lakers will take Exum more then likely and the Kings might go another route.
Jennings to Sacramento?

Not sure if I want anything back from their team except draft picks...
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imagump1313 wrote:Is Gores selling the team an option?
Nope. The value hasn't increased to the appropriate ROI. Remember, I'm a money man.
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I'd be shocked if Smart was actually available at 8. Though if he did come here he'd have to stop flopping like a fish all the time.
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Before we think about signing anyone we need to resolve Dumars' final fcuk up: Jennings and Smith.
Our new coach needs to have the go ahead from Gores and the balls to bench them period.
I think we have brought overpaid reserve players off the bench in previous years so there is no reason in the world that Jennings couldnt thrive as an off the bench scoring PG.
I would love to take back huge ugly contracts for Jennings but that will only hurt our team. There is no team in the NBA that will bite on Jennings at 8M a year and especially not Phil Jackson. PJ is not risking his first year as president on Jennings, no way. Yes we could move him for Felton and JR Smith but how much does that help our team. Id rather have Jennings coming off the bench than Fatboy Felton and toxic Chuck Happy Smith. So we tell Jennings sorry you are going to be the most expensive back up PG in the NBA and if you want another deal in the NBA you better clean your game up or you will be sitting in favor of Siva.
Now as for Smith he is MORE moveable than Jennings but I still can not see any team taking on his deal without giving us back trash in return.
Go down the list, even if we have the best GM in the world not one of these teams is taking Smith without giving us a bad contract that cant help us on the floor:
Atlanta, Brooklyn, Bobcats, Bulls, Cavs, Indy, Miami, Bucks, Orlando, Philly, Raptors, Wizards, Clippers, Lakers, Grizzlies, Wolves, Dallas, New Orleans, OKC, Suns, Blazers, Spurs, Kings, Utah. None of those teams are taking Smith, ever.
That leaves Boston, Denver, and Golden State (if they flame out in the 1st round). Someone mentioned on here McGee and Chandler. Im not a fan of either player but it's probably one of the best deals we can get considering we get two players who can play, not one player and dead body like a deal with Boston would produce (Green,Wallace for Smith,Jerebko). Our best hope would be to move Smith for David Lee but that would only occur if Golden State loses in the first round.
But if I were the GM, I wouldnt want to take back bad contracts and I would give him one more year to fix his garbage play and tell him, "Look we tried moving you and your chucking does not fit in with our team long term. Either you stop chucking or you will come off the bench and if you are still chucking will become the new DNP Charlie V. You saw what happened to Charlie and how he sat on the bench for 3 seasons, that will happen to you. We are not buying you out and no one wants to trade for you. So you either dominate down low as a COMPLIMENT to Drummond, our true focus and centerpiece, or you come off the bench or worse, sit in a suit for 82 games. We are going to have our stat guys track your shots, if you take more than 4-5 shots outside the paint then you are going to the bench" Given that ultimatum i think Smith will clean up his act, if not he sits, and we move Moose to the starting line up (not an ideal situation).
That's the first order of business and the most important if I was the new GM.
Next I get rid of Bynum and Jerebko, both expiring deals, and both more than capable of producing in limited minutes on another squad. Yeh we take back a longer deal but that could mean filling out our bench with a solid SF. The first deal i would make would send Jerebko and Bynum to the Hawks for Korver. I doubt Atlanta makes this deal so I would then try to trade with Memphis for Tony Allen to save them some cash and get out of the last 9M they owe Allen (2 more years on his deal than Jerebko). If Memphis and Atlanta dont want to do those deals, I search the league for a possible backup SG/SF that we can get using their contracts (Singler can play backup 2-3 so it's not a big deal). If no one wants to take them, they simply dont play and expire after years end. I dont want Bynum touching the ball next year, same goes for Poop.
I turn around and match any offer on Monroe, even the max, as some desperate team in a year (we have to wait one year after matching to trade him) will be willing to give us something of value for him even if it's a first round pick and a pure expiring deal. We bring Monroe off the bench and force feed him the ball every trip down the court. He gets his 10-12 shots a game and should be able to dominate any bench player thrown at him. Yes he will be pissed but he will be maxed out and we have his Bird Rights so he will eventually have to shut up just like Eric Gordon did when the Pelicans matched his sheet from Phoenix. Monroe's game down low should open up shots for Jennings - Singler - Jorts and our bench would actually help not hurt our team for once.
Then I throw the rest of my money at Lowry and Ariza and call it a day.
Lowry / Jennings
KCP / Singler
Ariza / (Allen/Korver/Another player in a Jerebko-Bynum deal / Datome if worst comes to worst)
Smith / Jorts
Drummond / Monroe
Defensively our guards will be strong, Ariza is a smart veteran that can shoot from the outside and Smith, if he follows his orders, should be able to mesh well with Drummond as we have seen on a few rare occasions this year.
Hopefully after all these moves, we make the playoffs, finally give our pick to the Bobcats, and maybe a season of solid play from Jennings/Smith/Monroe will convince a team to give us some assets back without crippling our cap situation with useless players.
We need to pray that Gores wises up and hires a solid coach or else we will be sitting on these boards next year crying about giving up a top 5 picks to the Bobcats.
This is a very realistic plan as Lowry can be had with the space we have, Monroe is trapped when we match, and Jennings and Smith have no choice but to either follow orders or sit down ruining any chance for another deal in the NBA. Not to mention that this plan doesnt hinge on who we draft, as that player will simply be used to supplement the aforementioned squad.
What do you guys think?
Our new coach needs to have the go ahead from Gores and the balls to bench them period.
I think we have brought overpaid reserve players off the bench in previous years so there is no reason in the world that Jennings couldnt thrive as an off the bench scoring PG.
I would love to take back huge ugly contracts for Jennings but that will only hurt our team. There is no team in the NBA that will bite on Jennings at 8M a year and especially not Phil Jackson. PJ is not risking his first year as president on Jennings, no way. Yes we could move him for Felton and JR Smith but how much does that help our team. Id rather have Jennings coming off the bench than Fatboy Felton and toxic Chuck Happy Smith. So we tell Jennings sorry you are going to be the most expensive back up PG in the NBA and if you want another deal in the NBA you better clean your game up or you will be sitting in favor of Siva.
Now as for Smith he is MORE moveable than Jennings but I still can not see any team taking on his deal without giving us back trash in return.
Go down the list, even if we have the best GM in the world not one of these teams is taking Smith without giving us a bad contract that cant help us on the floor:
Atlanta, Brooklyn, Bobcats, Bulls, Cavs, Indy, Miami, Bucks, Orlando, Philly, Raptors, Wizards, Clippers, Lakers, Grizzlies, Wolves, Dallas, New Orleans, OKC, Suns, Blazers, Spurs, Kings, Utah. None of those teams are taking Smith, ever.
That leaves Boston, Denver, and Golden State (if they flame out in the 1st round). Someone mentioned on here McGee and Chandler. Im not a fan of either player but it's probably one of the best deals we can get considering we get two players who can play, not one player and dead body like a deal with Boston would produce (Green,Wallace for Smith,Jerebko). Our best hope would be to move Smith for David Lee but that would only occur if Golden State loses in the first round.
But if I were the GM, I wouldnt want to take back bad contracts and I would give him one more year to fix his garbage play and tell him, "Look we tried moving you and your chucking does not fit in with our team long term. Either you stop chucking or you will come off the bench and if you are still chucking will become the new DNP Charlie V. You saw what happened to Charlie and how he sat on the bench for 3 seasons, that will happen to you. We are not buying you out and no one wants to trade for you. So you either dominate down low as a COMPLIMENT to Drummond, our true focus and centerpiece, or you come off the bench or worse, sit in a suit for 82 games. We are going to have our stat guys track your shots, if you take more than 4-5 shots outside the paint then you are going to the bench" Given that ultimatum i think Smith will clean up his act, if not he sits, and we move Moose to the starting line up (not an ideal situation).
That's the first order of business and the most important if I was the new GM.
Next I get rid of Bynum and Jerebko, both expiring deals, and both more than capable of producing in limited minutes on another squad. Yeh we take back a longer deal but that could mean filling out our bench with a solid SF. The first deal i would make would send Jerebko and Bynum to the Hawks for Korver. I doubt Atlanta makes this deal so I would then try to trade with Memphis for Tony Allen to save them some cash and get out of the last 9M they owe Allen (2 more years on his deal than Jerebko). If Memphis and Atlanta dont want to do those deals, I search the league for a possible backup SG/SF that we can get using their contracts (Singler can play backup 2-3 so it's not a big deal). If no one wants to take them, they simply dont play and expire after years end. I dont want Bynum touching the ball next year, same goes for Poop.
I turn around and match any offer on Monroe, even the max, as some desperate team in a year (we have to wait one year after matching to trade him) will be willing to give us something of value for him even if it's a first round pick and a pure expiring deal. We bring Monroe off the bench and force feed him the ball every trip down the court. He gets his 10-12 shots a game and should be able to dominate any bench player thrown at him. Yes he will be pissed but he will be maxed out and we have his Bird Rights so he will eventually have to shut up just like Eric Gordon did when the Pelicans matched his sheet from Phoenix. Monroe's game down low should open up shots for Jennings - Singler - Jorts and our bench would actually help not hurt our team for once.
Then I throw the rest of my money at Lowry and Ariza and call it a day.
Lowry / Jennings
KCP / Singler
Ariza / (Allen/Korver/Another player in a Jerebko-Bynum deal / Datome if worst comes to worst)
Smith / Jorts
Drummond / Monroe
Defensively our guards will be strong, Ariza is a smart veteran that can shoot from the outside and Smith, if he follows his orders, should be able to mesh well with Drummond as we have seen on a few rare occasions this year.
Hopefully after all these moves, we make the playoffs, finally give our pick to the Bobcats, and maybe a season of solid play from Jennings/Smith/Monroe will convince a team to give us some assets back without crippling our cap situation with useless players.
We need to pray that Gores wises up and hires a solid coach or else we will be sitting on these boards next year crying about giving up a top 5 picks to the Bobcats.
This is a very realistic plan as Lowry can be had with the space we have, Monroe is trapped when we match, and Jennings and Smith have no choice but to either follow orders or sit down ruining any chance for another deal in the NBA. Not to mention that this plan doesnt hinge on who we draft, as that player will simply be used to supplement the aforementioned squad.
What do you guys think?
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sfballa13 wrote:Before we think about signing anyone we need to resolve Dumars' final fcuk up: Jennings and Smith.
Our new coach needs to have the go ahead from Gores and the balls to bench them period.
I think we have brought overpaid reserve players off the bench in previous years so there is no reason in the world that Jennings couldnt thrive as an off the bench scoring PG.
I would love to take back huge ugly contracts for Jennings but that will only hurt our team. There is no team in the NBA that will bite on Jennings at 8M a year and especially not Phil Jackson. PJ is not risking his first year as president on Jennings, no way. Yes we could move him for Felton and JR Smith but how much does that help our team. Id rather have Jennings coming off the bench than Fatboy Felton and toxic Chuck Happy Smith. So we tell Jennings sorry you are going to be the most expensive back up PG in the NBA and if you want another deal in the NBA you better clean your game up or you will be sitting in favor of Siva.
Now as for Smith he is MORE moveable than Jennings but I still can not see any team taking on his deal without giving us back trash in return.
Go down the list, even if we have the best GM in the world not one of these teams is taking Smith without giving us a bad contract that cant help us on the floor:
Atlanta, Brooklyn, Bobcats, Bulls, Cavs, Indy, Miami, Bucks, Orlando, Philly, Raptors, Wizards, Clippers, Lakers, Grizzlies, Wolves, Dallas, New Orleans, OKC, Suns, Blazers, Spurs, Kings, Utah. None of those teams are taking Smith, ever.
That leaves Boston, Denver, and Golden State (if they flame out in the 1st round). Someone mentioned on here McGee and Chandler. Im not a fan of either player but it's probably one of the best deals we can get considering we get two players who can play, not one player and dead body like a deal with Boston would produce (Green,Wallace for Smith,Jerebko). Our best hope would be to move Smith for David Lee but that would only occur if Golden State loses in the first round.
But if I were the GM, I wouldnt want to take back bad contracts and I would give him one more year to fix his garbage play and tell him, "Look we tried moving you and your chucking does not fit in with our team long term. Either you stop chucking or you will come off the bench and if you are still chucking will become the new DNP Charlie V. You saw what happened to Charlie and how he sat on the bench for 3 seasons, that will happen to you. We are not buying you out and no one wants to trade for you. So you either dominate down low as a COMPLIMENT to Drummond, our true focus and centerpiece, or you come off the bench or worse, sit in a suit for 82 games. We are going to have our stat guys track your shots, if you take more than 4-5 shots outside the paint then you are going to the bench" Given that ultimatum i think Smith will clean up his act, if not he sits, and we move Moose to the starting line up (not an ideal situation).
That's the first order of business and the most important if I was the new GM.
Next I get rid of Bynum and Jerebko, both expiring deals, and both more than capable of producing in limited minutes on another squad. Yeh we take back a longer deal but that could mean filling out our bench with a solid SF. The first deal i would make would send Jerebko and Bynum to the Hawks for Korver. I doubt Atlanta makes this deal so I would then try to trade with Memphis for Tony Allen to save them some cash and get out of the last 9M they owe Allen (2 more years on his deal than Jerebko). If Memphis and Atlanta dont want to do those deals, I search the league for a possible backup SG/SF that we can get using their contracts (Singler can play backup 2-3 so it's not a big deal). If no one wants to take them, they simply dont play and expire after years end. I dont want Bynum touching the ball next year, same goes for Poop.
I turn around and match any offer on Monroe, even the max, as some desperate team in a year (we have to wait one year after matching to trade him) will be willing to give us something of value for him even if it's a first round pick and a pure expiring deal. We bring Monroe off the bench and force feed him the ball every trip down the court. He gets his 10-12 shots a game and should be able to dominate any bench player thrown at him. Yes he will be pissed but he will be maxed out and we have his Bird Rights so he will eventually have to shut up just like Eric Gordon did when the Pelicans matched his sheet from Phoenix. Monroe's game down low should open up shots for Jennings - Singler - Jorts and our bench would actually help not hurt our team for once.
Then I throw the rest of my money at Lowry and Ariza and call it a day.
Lowry / Jennings
KCP / Singler
Ariza / (Allen/Korver/Another player in a Jerebko-Bynum deal / Datome if worst comes to worst)
Smith / Jorts
Drummond / Monroe
Defensively our guards will be strong, Ariza is a smart veteran that can shoot from the outside and Smith, if he follows his orders, should be able to mesh well with Drummond as we have seen on a few rare occasions this year.
Hopefully after all these moves, we make the playoffs, finally give our pick to the Bobcats, and maybe a season of solid play from Jennings/Smith/Monroe will convince a team to give us some assets back without crippling our cap situation with useless players.
We need to pray that Gores wises up and hires a solid coach or else we will be sitting on these boards next year crying about giving up a top 5 picks to the Bobcats.
This is a very realistic plan as Lowry can be had with the space we have, Monroe is trapped when we match, and Jennings and Smith have no choice but to either follow orders or sit down ruining any chance for another deal in the NBA. Not to mention that this plan doesnt hinge on who we draft, as that player will simply be used to supplement the aforementioned squad.
What do you guys think?
I like the attitude on Jennings and Smith. Also, they may be salvageable with the right coach. They both have talent. They just need to use it more wisely. It will take a strong coach to cram a bit of wisdom between their ears, but hey - MOnte Ellis is being productive this year so anything is possible

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- Trade Monroe + #8 for Rondo
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theBigLip wrote:Ok, just call me Mr Gores. The job is yours. I know you will not resign CV or Stuckey. Chauncey will retire and become a high paid greeter at the Palace. Oh, and since the last guy with the job f--ked up so bad, we still have our first round pick this year, but it is #8. So what are you going to do?
My personal plan would be:
1. Draft Marcus Smart
2. Trade Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings for high character players, hopefully with only 1 year left on their deals
3. Sign a middle tier free agent SF (Ariza, Hayward, Tucker?, etc) or make a trade (Barnes, Parsons, etc)
Oh, and get a top notch coach, maybe with a last name of Van Gundy or Karl.
Offseason:
1. Draft best PG/SF available. Unless one of the amazing talents drops then focus on intelligence / Discipline. So go for Tyler Ennis at PG or Rodney Hood at SF. (Yeah, not sexy but solid)
2. Attempt to trade away Smith for expirings.
3. If you fail at #2, Look at the ticket / merchandising sales of this year. Compare them to years in which we were decent / not spectactular (adjusting for inflation, etc). Figure out how much money is lost in comparison. If it's anywhere near the ballpark of the remainder of Smith's contract, buy him out.
4. Hire a coach that will teach players how to play proper defense. One who is familiar with defensive schemes. One who has demonstrated prior success or has experience as an assistant under a coach that has.
5. Look for a 3 & D SF free agent if one is available. Ariza would be kind of ideal here from what I know of him.
6. Dump all the dead weight (let contracts expire for Stuckey, Billups, CV, and JJ). Stuckey has played slightly better this year but it's really time to emphasize cleaning house.
7. Resign Greg Monroe. Wait to see if he gets the restricted max from other teams and match it.
8. Dump Bynum. He's not a starting caliber or even good bench player most nights on a good team. He's not going to get better than he currently is.
During the season:
1. Instruct the coach to make Jennings understand he is to look to pass over shooting. If he starts taking bad shots he gets yanked immediately. He is to probe the defense looking for ways to feed it into the interior. Throw in Siva or the newly drafted rookie if he fails to grasp this. Also instruct Jennings that if he is a huge defensive liability he is going to sit as well. This year is going to be rough/humbling for him.
2. If by awful chance Smoove is still on the team then have him sit the bench. Or better yet watch from home. (Not sure how the player's association would take it but there really isn't a future for him on this team and his presence in the locker room is only a distraction)
3. Instruct the coach to force feed it to Drummond down low as often as possible. Drummond's new home is the post. When he gets on the offensive side of the floor he should be immediately trying to establish post position by instinct. The new offense runs through Drummond.
4. Monroe plays on the weak side and drifts out a bit. He shoots jumpers from time to time when he is open or he sits. Make him understand that even though he can try to drive for a closer shot that the threat of him making from the outside is just as valuable. He doesn't currently understand this.
New Lineup:
PG: Jennings / Siva / Draft pick (Ennis?) / FA
SG: KCP / Singler / Draft pick (Hood)
SF: Ariza / Singler / (Hood) / Mitchell
PF: Monroe / Jorts / Mitchell
C: Drummond / Monroe / Jorts
It's not a sexy lineup but I think we would be a much better team w/regards to spacing. Defense is still going to be an issue without good coaching. Hopefully we get that. And quick benching to occur if we don't.
I'm sure I've said some boneheaded things in this post so flame on.

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Step 1. Trade Smith.
Detroit out: Smith
Detroit in: Dudley, Ilyasova
Kings out: Thompson, Williams, Outlaw
Kings in: Smith
LAC out: Judley, Green
LAC in: Thompson
Bucks out: Ilyasova
Bucks in: Williams, Outlaw, Green
Step 2. trade Jennings.
Detroit sends: Jennings, Jerebko, Datome
NYK sends: Smith, Felton, Shumpert
We save a total of $3,206,957 with these moves. If the cap jumps to $62.1 million, we'll have $25.6 million in cap space.
Step 3. Sign Lowry (~$10 million), Monroe (max)
Monroe's max contract under the new salary cap would be $15,525,000, leaving us with $10,104,082. Note that since we have Monroe's Bird Rights, if we sign other people first, we can go over the cap to sign Monroe. I'm really not sure by how much we can go over the cap to sign him though. We also can go over the cap to sign our rookies so long as we sign them after we do everything else.
Let's see the roster:
Bynum/Felton/Siva
KCP/Shump/Smith
Dudley/Singler
Monroe/Ilyasova/Mitchell
Drummond/Jorts
So, we have an obvious, gaping hole at PG, that has to be out biggest need.
We'll have a couple options at PG. We could draft Smart (if he's there) or Ennis in the first round, or we could hunt free agents. Since the Suns will match any offer for Bledsoe, Kyle Lowry is the only possible long-term solution at PG, since he can shoot well from 3, plays excellent defense, and isn't a shoot-first player.
Personally, I don't see Smart as a PG. Although I love his competitiveness and defense, he's got a worse A/TO ratio than Brandon Knight did in college, and fewer assists period. He's a terrible deep shooter, but he still takes tons of 3s. He's got a worse FG% than Stuckey had in college on lower volume. We don't need another combo-guard who can't shoot on this team, even if he works hard and plays great defense.
Ennis is also just a guy in my opinion. While he is a better shooter than Smart, and has a great A/TO ratio, I just don't see anything that special with the guy. He's not a great athlete, scorer, or defender.
Lowry ticks all of the boxes IMO.
Step 4. Draft.
I personally hate our options in the draft. Pretty much every possible available prospect is some sort of PF/C who I don't even think is any good, except for McDermott (who's a tweener forward, ugh) and Ennis (already talked about him). Pretty much everyone who I like would be a huge reach. I think that we're better off trading back than wasting a pick on someone like Dario Saric. Of course, with that sort of trade I have no idea who'd be interested in trading up or what they'd give us. Our most likely option in Phoenix, since they have extra picks. Trade back for their pick (#14) and the Pacers pick (#28) perhaps? Maybe they'd like their local boy, Aaron Gordon.
I'd hope to land a SF prospect like Rodney Hood, KJ McDaniels, or Kyle Anderson. If not one of them, than perhaps a local prospect, like Payne, James Young, Stauskis or Harris.
In the second round, there are a number of prospects who I like. Wayne Selden, Zach LaVine, Deonte Burton, Mitch McGary, GRIII, Jordan Adams, Semaj Christon, Spencer Dinwiddie, Roy Devyn Marble and Delon Wright.
There are a few other prospects who will probably go undrafted who I like also. LaQuinton Ross, Keith Appling, Jarnell Stokes, Markel Brown, Thanasis Adetokumbo, Fuqan Edwin, and Jerrelle Benimon. Not much room for them here though.
Lowry/Bynum/Felton/Siva
KCP/Shump/Smith
Dudley/Singler
Monroe/Ilyasova/Mitchell
Drummond/Jorts
+Wright, McDaniels, and Robinson. 3 Freak athletes. Or pick your own guys if you want. I'm unsure of who to draft outside of Wright.
Detroit out: Smith
Detroit in: Dudley, Ilyasova
Kings out: Thompson, Williams, Outlaw
Kings in: Smith
LAC out: Judley, Green
LAC in: Thompson
Bucks out: Ilyasova
Bucks in: Williams, Outlaw, Green
Step 2. trade Jennings.
Detroit sends: Jennings, Jerebko, Datome
NYK sends: Smith, Felton, Shumpert
We save a total of $3,206,957 with these moves. If the cap jumps to $62.1 million, we'll have $25.6 million in cap space.
Step 3. Sign Lowry (~$10 million), Monroe (max)
Monroe's max contract under the new salary cap would be $15,525,000, leaving us with $10,104,082. Note that since we have Monroe's Bird Rights, if we sign other people first, we can go over the cap to sign Monroe. I'm really not sure by how much we can go over the cap to sign him though. We also can go over the cap to sign our rookies so long as we sign them after we do everything else.
Let's see the roster:
Bynum/Felton/Siva
KCP/Shump/Smith
Dudley/Singler
Monroe/Ilyasova/Mitchell
Drummond/Jorts
So, we have an obvious, gaping hole at PG, that has to be out biggest need.
We'll have a couple options at PG. We could draft Smart (if he's there) or Ennis in the first round, or we could hunt free agents. Since the Suns will match any offer for Bledsoe, Kyle Lowry is the only possible long-term solution at PG, since he can shoot well from 3, plays excellent defense, and isn't a shoot-first player.
Personally, I don't see Smart as a PG. Although I love his competitiveness and defense, he's got a worse A/TO ratio than Brandon Knight did in college, and fewer assists period. He's a terrible deep shooter, but he still takes tons of 3s. He's got a worse FG% than Stuckey had in college on lower volume. We don't need another combo-guard who can't shoot on this team, even if he works hard and plays great defense.
Ennis is also just a guy in my opinion. While he is a better shooter than Smart, and has a great A/TO ratio, I just don't see anything that special with the guy. He's not a great athlete, scorer, or defender.
Lowry ticks all of the boxes IMO.
Step 4. Draft.
I personally hate our options in the draft. Pretty much every possible available prospect is some sort of PF/C who I don't even think is any good, except for McDermott (who's a tweener forward, ugh) and Ennis (already talked about him). Pretty much everyone who I like would be a huge reach. I think that we're better off trading back than wasting a pick on someone like Dario Saric. Of course, with that sort of trade I have no idea who'd be interested in trading up or what they'd give us. Our most likely option in Phoenix, since they have extra picks. Trade back for their pick (#14) and the Pacers pick (#28) perhaps? Maybe they'd like their local boy, Aaron Gordon.
I'd hope to land a SF prospect like Rodney Hood, KJ McDaniels, or Kyle Anderson. If not one of them, than perhaps a local prospect, like Payne, James Young, Stauskis or Harris.
In the second round, there are a number of prospects who I like. Wayne Selden, Zach LaVine, Deonte Burton, Mitch McGary, GRIII, Jordan Adams, Semaj Christon, Spencer Dinwiddie, Roy Devyn Marble and Delon Wright.
There are a few other prospects who will probably go undrafted who I like also. LaQuinton Ross, Keith Appling, Jarnell Stokes, Markel Brown, Thanasis Adetokumbo, Fuqan Edwin, and Jerrelle Benimon. Not much room for them here though.
Lowry/Bynum/Felton/Siva
KCP/Shump/Smith
Dudley/Singler
Monroe/Ilyasova/Mitchell
Drummond/Jorts
+Wright, McDaniels, and Robinson. 3 Freak athletes. Or pick your own guys if you want. I'm unsure of who to draft outside of Wright.
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We have a few games left. I call aigne and I tell him I'll give him josh for the nets pick. He agrees.
I send josh home.
Monroe becomes our point forward working out of the high post. KCP becomes are other main ball handler. We also feed dre in the post 10 times a game.
Lineup:
Siva
KCP
Singler
Monroe
Drummond.
We lose and keep losing. End up top 5. Luck is on our side and we get wiggins.
Sign Lowry and Morrow. Re-sign Monroe. Sign udoh.
Lowry
KCP
Wiggins
Monroe
Drummond
Jennings
Morrow
Singler
Udoh
I send josh home.
Monroe becomes our point forward working out of the high post. KCP becomes are other main ball handler. We also feed dre in the post 10 times a game.
Lineup:
Siva
KCP
Singler
Monroe
Drummond.
We lose and keep losing. End up top 5. Luck is on our side and we get wiggins.
Sign Lowry and Morrow. Re-sign Monroe. Sign udoh.
Lowry
KCP
Wiggins
Monroe
Drummond
Jennings
Morrow
Singler
Udoh
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I do my best to bring Jeff Van Gundy into the organization as an influential member of the FO to legitimize our FO to coaches as a place they will have more of a secure job.
My draft pick will only come from DExpress' list of Top8+, and I assume everyone else is already gone.
Tier one pick:
Aaron Gordon
Tier two pick:
Doug McDermott
Nik Stauskas
Jusuf Nurkic
Rodney Hood
In the second round I pick up PG Russ Smith and hope he has the Patrick Beverly intensity. A back up pick might be Aaron craft. Anything to get a defensive minded guard.
For the following plan I assume we did get our guy in Gordon. This leaves me with three talented PFs. I would trade Smith for an expiring and maybe a second round pick. A trade that I might try for would be this:
Det: Trades smith to Sac, gets sac's 2nd and Thompson.
Sac: Gets smith, trades out Landry and Thompson and 2 seconds.
3rd team: Gets Landry for depth. Maybe a team with a TPE? Sac 2nd
Sac gets out of Thompson and landry, making as much as smith is for the same number of years, upgrades talent, and only gives up two second round picks.
Then I would trade Monroe (assuming we have Gordon) for some of this relatively realistic deals:( Gotta undersell monroe to make the plan seem more realistic)
Monroe for Porter + filler (andre?)
Monroe for Gordon Hayward, both near max deals.
Monroe for Eric Gordon or Ryan Anderson
Monroe for Perry Jones and K Perkins (I would want a late first round pick included as well, but I won't press it)
Inquire to see if SAS has any interest in a Moose for Leonard swap.
Regardless of what happens, I'm going to assume we have one of Hayward, Jones, or Porter. I would then inquire about Patrick Beverly, to see what it would take to get him. If it wasn't too costly I would definitely get him. Assuming a savings of roughly 7 million off of my smith trade, I would go hard and give Bledsoe a max contract offer. I'm sure the Suns will match but I would just have to try. I would also offer Vasquez a decent contract and hope Toronto decides to keep Lowry over him.
Regardless of how that all works out, I find a coach that will relieve Jennings of his starting position and put him into more of a 6th man role. At this point the roster would look like:
Defensive PG (Carter/Beverly/Bledsoe/Smith)/Jennings/Bynum
KCP/ Singler
(H/P/J) /Singler
Gordon/Thompson
Drummond/Jorts
This would, hopefully, be the foundation for one of the most suffocating defensive line ups since the 2004 pistons.
As for coaching, I would let JVG handle that exclusively, but I would also put all of my hopes and dreams into getting Thibs to come to the Pistons.
My draft pick will only come from DExpress' list of Top8+, and I assume everyone else is already gone.
Tier one pick:
Aaron Gordon
Tier two pick:
Doug McDermott
Nik Stauskas
Jusuf Nurkic
Rodney Hood
In the second round I pick up PG Russ Smith and hope he has the Patrick Beverly intensity. A back up pick might be Aaron craft. Anything to get a defensive minded guard.
For the following plan I assume we did get our guy in Gordon. This leaves me with three talented PFs. I would trade Smith for an expiring and maybe a second round pick. A trade that I might try for would be this:
Det: Trades smith to Sac, gets sac's 2nd and Thompson.
Sac: Gets smith, trades out Landry and Thompson and 2 seconds.
3rd team: Gets Landry for depth. Maybe a team with a TPE? Sac 2nd
Sac gets out of Thompson and landry, making as much as smith is for the same number of years, upgrades talent, and only gives up two second round picks.
Then I would trade Monroe (assuming we have Gordon) for some of this relatively realistic deals:( Gotta undersell monroe to make the plan seem more realistic)
Monroe for Porter + filler (andre?)
Monroe for Gordon Hayward, both near max deals.
Monroe for Eric Gordon or Ryan Anderson
Monroe for Perry Jones and K Perkins (I would want a late first round pick included as well, but I won't press it)
Inquire to see if SAS has any interest in a Moose for Leonard swap.
Regardless of what happens, I'm going to assume we have one of Hayward, Jones, or Porter. I would then inquire about Patrick Beverly, to see what it would take to get him. If it wasn't too costly I would definitely get him. Assuming a savings of roughly 7 million off of my smith trade, I would go hard and give Bledsoe a max contract offer. I'm sure the Suns will match but I would just have to try. I would also offer Vasquez a decent contract and hope Toronto decides to keep Lowry over him.
Regardless of how that all works out, I find a coach that will relieve Jennings of his starting position and put him into more of a 6th man role. At this point the roster would look like:
Defensive PG (Carter/Beverly/Bledsoe/Smith)/Jennings/Bynum
KCP/ Singler
(H/P/J) /Singler
Gordon/Thompson
Drummond/Jorts
This would, hopefully, be the foundation for one of the most suffocating defensive line ups since the 2004 pistons.
As for coaching, I would let JVG handle that exclusively, but I would also put all of my hopes and dreams into getting Thibs to come to the Pistons.