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GT #64: Hornets (30-34) @ Wizards (33-30) 7 PM CSN

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Re: GT #64: Hornets (30-34) @ Wizards (33-30) 7 PM CSN 

Post#241 » by Dav7z » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:23 pm

Wall needs to man up quit crying and making excuses. He will never be the player he can be making excuses. He just needs to admit he got his tail kicked by Kemba and a good Charlotte team
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Post#242 » by Kanyewest » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:25 pm

Dav7z wrote:Wall needs to man up quit crying and making excuses. He will never be the player he can be making excuses. He just needs to admit he got his tail kicked by Kemba and a good Charlotte team
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... e-screams/


Wall goes on to say that wasn't the reason they lost.
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Post#243 » by dobrojim » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:56 pm

deneem4 wrote:
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deneem4 wrote:9 fta...that's y we lose games, if gortat is getting abused wall should be gettin the other team bigs in foul trouble...His jumper was on this game but we know that's not consistent...Our team isn't playin the game our players are built for...we have 3 good 3pt shooters...but we have 1 of the quickest PGs in the league...we don't attack the paint...we aren't making bigs work on defense...we deserve to lose games when we don't attack


one issue is when we attack the rim, we get no respect. Compare Wall's foul on
Kemba with what happens on a lot of drives at the other end. If I was Randy,
I'd be po'd too. Happened in the MIA game as well. Yes we shoot too many long 2s.
But when you can't draw a foul on drives...


Don't let officials control the way u play...


sounds good in theory. In practice, not so sure. I think good players/teams adjust
to how each game is being called.
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Re: GT #64: Hornets (30-34) @ Wizards (33-30) 7 PM CSN 

Post#244 » by Dat2U » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:40 pm

Dav7z wrote:Wall needs to man up quit crying and making excuses. He will never be the player he can be making excuses. He just needs to admit he got his tail kicked by Kemba and a good Charlotte team
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... e-screams/


Huh? Kemba got thoroughly outplayed most of the night.
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Re: GT #64: Hornets (30-34) @ Wizards (33-30) 7 PM CSN 

Post#245 » by Mel Proctor » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:41 pm

I haven't read the entire thread. But I was at the game. This loss belongs squarely on the shoulders of Wittman. How many times did Jefferson have to score in the post before Wittman sends a double team? Why wouldn't he send Booker to double and make McRoberts beat us with jumpers? And why, if Seraphin was dressed, did he get no burn? I recognize that KS isn't an all-world defender, but he at least would have given Jefferson a different look. Jefferson was cooking Gortat all night.

If the Wiz had some semblance of an NBA coach, we'd have another 6-7 wins, easy. There is not one game this season where anyone has said, "wow, Wittman really outcoached [name of opposing coach] tonight.
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Re: GT #64: Bobcats (30-34) @ Wizards (33-30) 7 PM CSN 

Post#246 » by stevemcqueen1 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:48 pm

dobrojim wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:Wittman should not have gone back to Wall as soon as he did. Not saying Wall shouldn't have come back in, but it was a perfect opportunity to try Wall/Miller with Miller running point. Wall went cold after blowing that layup and was not playing with good pace. Miller was having his way with Charlotte's point guards...

Beal is really frustrating. He was downright selfish in the third and kept Charlotte in the game..then Wall caught whatever beal had.

The way this team plays at home is crap.


not saying you're wrong, but it's ironic thinking back to being at the game.
My daughter (who roots scared) was saying in the early 4thQ Wittman was going to
not put Wall back in soon enough. Miller was abusing CHA defenders. He could have played
longer. I'll go a step further and say that given that CHA is among league leaders
defensively against fast break points, Miller might be better for our offense
(but def not our defense) against a team that forces us to slow down. Strange/ironic
that Miller, who is obviously much slower than Wall, could get to the rim/paint more
often than Wall could even when Wall was hitting his Js, which you would think
would draw the defenses out. Or maybe the defenses just kept laying back knowing
that Wall would cool off, which he did.


Defenses don't play Miller like they play Wall. Every defense we face schemes to stop Wall drives first and foremost. They play Miller the same as anyone else.

The problem with Miller last night was that he gave up what he got on the other end. He's a horrible defender that struggles to get through screens and doesn't even try to run the floor in transition. He never moves faster than a jog. And he couldn't stay in front of Luke Ridnour, much less Kemba Walker. The defense is going to suck when he's on the court unless you can hide him on an opposing self check.

We lost our main foundation for defense when we lost Nene. Gortat is alright but none of the other big men are any good defensively at all. The current second line is full of bad defenders.
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Re: GT #64: Bobcats (30-34) @ Wizards (33-30) 7 PM CSN 

Post#247 » by jivelikenice » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:23 pm

nate33 wrote:Taj Gibson is breaking out this year. I don't see Chicago trading him.


Wasn't there a Taj v. Booker debate here when we were linked to him?
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Post#248 » by jivelikenice » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:25 pm

Dav7z wrote:Wall needs to man up quit crying and making excuses. He will never be the player he can be making excuses. He just needs to admit he got his tail kicked by Kemba and a good Charlotte team
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... e-screams/


We don't go to the hoop enough so I understand why we don't get fouls. That being said, as of late its been worse and Wall specifically is getting no calls when he goes to the hoop. Sometimes you have to draw attention to it before the refs take notice. It was good that he did it.
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Post#249 » by dobrojim » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:33 pm

Mel Proctor wrote:I haven't read the entire thread. But 1. I was at the game. This loss belongs squarely on the shoulders of Wittman. 2. How many times did Jefferson have to score in the post before Wittman sends a double team? Why wouldn't he send Booker to double and make McRoberts beat us with jumpers? 3. And why, if Seraphin was dressed, did he get no burn? I recognize that KS isn't an all-world defender, but he at least would have given Jefferson a different look. Jefferson was cooking Gortat all night.

If the Wiz had some semblance of an NBA coach, we'd have another 6-7 wins, easy. There is not one game this season where anyone has said, "wow, Wittman really outcoached [name of opposing coach] tonight.



1. Me too

2. Wizards actually tried to double especially in the second half. AlJeff was often beating the
double team by himself. I think we were being punished by the hoop gawds since one of our
posters said CHA didn't have anyone who could 'go off'. Or I would think that if I was actually
superstitious. AlJeff has been an offensive force in the Assoc for a while and has been playing
well lately. We didn't make him defend enough.

3. Was wondering the same thing. Seraphin at least has the body type to bang and
possibly not get backed down. His non-use makes me wonder if he was really ready to play.
Or if Wittman just wanted to give Drew/Al run. Drew/Al got burned defensively on one sequence
leading to an uncontested dunk off a little rub screen in the 4th (iirc) and Witt called TO and
put Booker back in.
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Re: GT #64: Hornets (30-34) @ Wizards (33-30) 7 PM CSN 

Post#250 » by Kanyewest » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:37 pm

John Wall fined 15K

The NBA announced Thursday that Washington Wizards guard John Wall was fined $15,000 for “directing inappropriate comments” towards officials following the Wizards’ loss to the Bobcats Wednesday.

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Post#251 » by dangermouse » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:43 pm

Well its about time someone spoke up.

Ted should cover his fine for him.
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Re: GT #64: Hornets (30-34) @ Wizards (33-30) 7 PM CSN 

Post#252 » by DCZards » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:56 pm

dangermouse wrote:Well its about time someone spoke up.

Ted should cover his fine for him.


Yup, some might call what Wall said whining, but sometimes when you go public like that, especially when you're an emerging star like Wall, the referees and the league take note and you start getting some calls.
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Post#253 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:28 am

dobrojim wrote:
DANNYLANDOVER wrote:When was the last time Beal shot over 50% in a game. Looking at this roster, I see what Ernie was going for. They said we needed 3 pt shooters to spread the floor for John and he got that. We needed an interior presence, not just a shot blocker and he got that. I just don't see any vision with the construction of this team.

Every move is reactive.

How do you put together a team where only the point guard can handle the ball at all? It's like John has to set up every single play, score, play defense, etc. Whenever John starts off hot, the rest of the team become passengers and by the 3rd quarter, nobody else is in rhythm offensively. That's not a winning formula at all.

No young, athletic, shotblocking big to protect the paint; Nene's albatross of a contract; Gortat likely to be resigned. There's really nothing to be excited about. Trust me, the playoffs novelty will wear off after 2 seasons of being swept in the first round.


I'll repeat. I heard from what appeared to be a reliable source that the 'zards
are NOT planning to resign Gortat. Maybe this means they think they can get
Monroe. Monroe's younger but I'm not sure how much better than 'Tat he is.
And he'll almost certainly cost more.


I really don't mind resigning Gortat, but we can't just keep him and Nene.
Ideal situation: Nene is traded...we resign Gortat and sign Jordan Hill.
Backup: We trade for Larry Sanders or John Henson and let Gortat walk.

Signing Monroe does not erase any of the problems we have with challenging shots at the rim.
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Post#254 » by TGW » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:42 am

Dav7z wrote:Wall needs to man up quit crying and making excuses. He will never be the player he can be making excuses. He just needs to admit he got his tail kicked by Kemba and a good Charlotte team
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... e-screams/


"good" Charlotte team?

Only bobcats fans believe that one lol. :lol:
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Post#255 » by Hidden Eye » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:42 am

Not gonna watch anymore home games for rest of season.. just road games cause they play better on the road :roll:

If they get a good position in the playoffs they should lose on purpose so they don't get home court advantage they will get out the first round.
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Post#256 » by Dav7z » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:52 am

http://tracking.si.com/2014/03/13/john- ... -15k-refs/

What a freaking baby . We get worse calls than that ever game in Charlotte .
But this year Clifford has taught our guys to man up and play the game the way it's called .
Thank Coach Clifford and Ewing for that win . Teaching our guys no excuse basketball. It's a reason we a top 10 defensive team in the league.
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Post#257 » by payitforward » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:54 am

Gortat has played extremely well, and he's gotten better and better as the season has gone along. If we don't re-sign him, we'll have spent a first round pick for a 1-year rental, a stupid move for any GM but "all aboard the average bus" Ernie.

But if we do sign him, we have essentially given up on contending for a title -- not enough ways to build the roster another level stronger and younger. Wel... either way, we've actually given up on contending. Or, one might better say, we never really showed much intention to contend.

That was a miserable effort out there last night, and of course out come the brain-dead commenters that it was all Wittman's fault and if only we'd played Kevin Seraphin (one of the least productive players in the entire league -- oh yeah, he's likely to help us win for sure!).

We're clinging to the 6th spot right now, and we've given Charlotte a nice chance of pushing us down to #7.

The problem last night was that one team looked like they were playing for something, and it wasn't the Wizards. That's not on Wittman. Not even on Ernie. Effort only comes from one place.
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Re: GT #64: Hornets (30-34) @ Wizards (33-30) 7 PM CSN 

Post#258 » by dlts20 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:07 am

Man, I thought it was impossible to hate a group of fans more than the Raps fans but I think I found a new group. The Wiz have had a lil success over recent years but most of the time have been down. The difference is that when we win some, we dont go around telling everyone how great we are, and how better then you we are. Thats what the Raps and now Bobcats fans do. So annoying.

Anyways, I will say this in a combined response to our fans who say that we lose these games because we are average and in response to me who say that its just a weird home vibe and we are good. I will say that if you had a choice between the 2, I would pick the road. Meaning, I think even bad teams can win games at home but only decent to good teams can win games on the road.

To me struggling at home is easier to fix then the teams that cant win on the road. They have no chance in the playoffs. Again, I think we will be better in the playoffs and probably late in the year at home but winning on the road to me proves we are not an average team. The home part will come. It has to. Its just like the .500 thing. Its a mental hump they have to get over. Wall and the players talk about it alot but it almost seems like they speak of it in a way like they are accepting of it. Like "we play good on the road but just dont bring that same energy at home". They say it more liek they are accepting of it instead of wanting to change it.

When the game starts I actually get the feeling from watching them that when they are on the road they are like "we are a great road team and lets go shock this building and light it up" but when the game starts at home they look liek they are actually thinking "we dont play the same at home and lets just hope we can pull it off because its going to be a struggle"
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Re: GT #64: Hornets (30-34) @ Wizards (33-30) 7 PM CSN 

Post#259 » by Dav7z » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:35 am

never said we a better team than you guys. You guys have tons of talent. More than us. The difference is between our coaches . Clifford would have never let Wall get away with that crap .
Why do you think G Neal never saw the floor last night . His mouth, Clifford wasted no time and put his ass on the pine . Clifford don't care how good you are he don't take mouth ,excuses . Kemba would be siting the next game if he tried that on Clifford. Wall came out hot but his attitude got him after the first missed call ,. He just can't do that . The rest of the team feeds off him
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Re: GT #64: Hornets (30-34) @ Wizards (33-30) 7 PM CSN 

Post#260 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:37 am

Dav7z wrote:http://tracking.si.com/2014/03/13/john-wall-fined-15k-refs/

What a freaking baby . We get worse calls than that ever game in Charlotte .
But this year Clifford has taught our guys to man up and play the game the way it's called .
Thank Coach Clifford and Ewing for that win . Teaching our guys no excuse basketball. It's a reason we a top 10 defensive team in the league.


Kid f$#k off back to your board. Nobody gives a s*&t about your opinion on here.

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