Dallas pick tracking

[Podirk]

Thunder own the Dallas pick 1-20 protected.

Will the Thunder get it this year? Will they package it up in a trade?

[Podirk]

Currently the Mavs are sitting at 21st pick and only a game out of being 20. Seeing as the team is pretty young and I have no want to add 2 late 1st rounders to this already young team. I hope Dallas retains it this year or we package it with Reggie (yes, I'm to the point of accepting he may need to go) and move up.

[bondom34]

I'm hoping they do too, that definitely could be a really good pick in a few years when Dirk retires. That's the hope for now at least.

[retrospect05]

Why do you feel Reggie has to go?

[bondom34]

Why do you feel Reggie has to go?

He doesn't have to, but he's due an extension, and wants to start somewhere. He may play out of the price range OKC can pay, and if a good deal is out there, he's not likely a long term starter for OKC. If he can be paid, by all means I'd love to keep him, but I don't know if it happens that way.

[Podirk]

Why do you feel Reggie has to go?

Let me start by saying I'm one of the biggest Reggie homers over the last year or so.

Reggie did a fine job starting when Westbrook was out. He can go on scoring spurts like the best in the NBA. For a little while many of the sofa GMs believed Reggie would make way to much for OKC to keep. Even as a bench player he was running one of the best benches and he and Lamb were great.

Currently they have both been down, not playing well and all the changes very well could have to do with it. They are young players trying to learn their role let alone trying to figure out moving pieces all around them. This alone is not why I have come to feel the way about the future of the Thunder and Reggie.

The reason I fell he 'may need to go' (and that verbiage may have been a lil harsh) is a combo of many things. His attitude over the late stretch is horrible, shoulders slumped, over dribbling, 1 v 1 basketball. It's been ugly and based on his slump is a waste of vital possessions for the team. (I'll add that the whole team up to the Hou game has been like this since the ASB)

Reggie is just the perfect candidate to get included in a trade to move up in the draft or use the Dal pick and get a more proven player.
Young talent
Last year of his rookie contract (the team trading would retain his bird rights)
has dozens of games in starting experience
has playoff starting experience
comes from one of the best developing teams in the league.

Now all those reasons are also reasons to keep him. I think the possibilities are ranging the spectrum for Reggie. He could be traded, kept till his contract expires and leave for a lucrative offer, or Thunder could go into the tax.

[bondom34]

Why do you feel Reggie has to go?

Let me start by saying I'm one of the biggest Reggie homers over the last year or so.

Reggie did a fine job starting when Westbrook was out. He can go on scoring spurts like the best in the NBA. For a little while many of the sofa GMs believed Reggie would make way to much for OKC to keep. Even as a bench player he was running one of the best benches and he and Lamb were great.

Currently they have both been down, not playing well and all the changes very well could have to do with it. They are young players trying to learn their role let alone trying to figure out moving pieces all around them. This alone is not why I have come to feel the way about the future of the Thunder and Reggie.

The reason I fell he 'may need to go' (and that verbiage may have been a lil harsh) is a combo of many things. His attitude over the late stretch is horrible, shoulders slumped, over dribbling, 1 v 1 basketball. It's been ugly and based on his slump is a waste of vital possessions for the team. (I'll add that the whole team up to the Hou game has been like this since the ASB)

Reggie is just the perfect candidate to get included in a trade to move up in the draft or use the Dal pick and get a more proven player.
Young talent
Last year of his rookie contract (the team trading would retain his bird rights)
has dozens of games in starting experience
has playoff starting experience
comes from one of the best developing teams in the league.

Now all those reasons are also reasons to keep him. I think the possibilities are ranging the spectrum for Reggie. He could be traded, kept till his contract expires and leave for a lucrative offer, or Thunder could go into the tax.

I just had someone suggest a move for a big man in the summer, and I tweaked it a little, but how would you feel about this (and its not using the Dallas pick, but Jackson):
Jackson/Perkins/OKC first
for
Kendall Marshall/Pau Gasol sign and trade (short term deal, maybe 8-10 mil)?

[Podirk]

I just had someone suggest a move for a big man in the summer, and I tweaked it a little, but how would you feel about this (and its not using the Dallas pick, but Jackson):
Jackson/Perkins/OKC first
for
Kendall Marshall/Pau Gasol sign and trade (short term deal, maybe 8-10 mil)?

I think that's probably one of the better deals I've seen.

A Maynorish backup pg who can shoot the 3 in Marshall for cheap.
If Pau would agree to a 2 year with a team option for the second year that would be ideal.
Pau would be another great influence on Adams.

LA gets a healthy PG with experience and a defensive C. I would even do the Dallas pick assuming it was received this year.

[theokie]

I honestly don't want the pick. Its only going to increase in value if it gets closer to the unprotected range. And honestly, we don't need another late 1st rounder on this squad. Lamb can't even get minutes right now despite our starting SG being inactive. We don't need another prospect just yet.

[comingbacktousa]

I'm kinda torn between what OKC should do with Jackson/picks.

OKC is at the point where a win-now type trade is almost necessary. There is almost too many assets that are losing value due to not getting playing time or enough of it. Lamb, PJ, and Adams would all probably be considered more valuable if they were on a team where they could get 30 minutes a game and play their correct position. Lamb is a lot of times stuck playing sf and PJ had to play sg to get any minutes. Pleiss wants to come over but OKC has no room for him. Now, likely 2 drafts picks don't have any clear path to playing time let alone starting.

I have no idea what realistic value is for Horford(great player but only one year left on his deal and 2 season ending injuries but not typical basketball injuries in 3 years), but I'd love to see Jackson, PJ, Adams, Perkins and the Dallas pick for him. I think Lopez would be another medium risk, high reward type that OKC could maybe target. Pau Gasol would be a good option if neither of those were available.

The thing I don't want to see is the picks or young players be used in a trade for mediocre upgrades at center like McGee, Mozgov, etc. At that point moving up in the draft is a better option in my opinion.

[bondom34]

I'm a little torn too, but think a win now trade can be done without selling the farm on all the young players too. I still feel like Adams can play, and really fit well with the team, and feel like he's a keeper. I think the packaging of Jackson/Perk/pick(s) could potentially net something that could be good for a few years without giving up Adams or PJ (or possibly Lamb). Talking it over on the trade board, I'd love Pau Gasol on a 2 year deal w/ an option on the 3rd year. Trade Perk/Jackson/a first for cap space and make a run at Pau, give Adams a few years to develop further (he's shown he can handle 20 mpg already, he'd be a good backup for a contender IMO). That way, its a definite win now team with a bunch of young talent, keeping PJ would be awesome, the guy is playing well for the most part.

[Texas Chuck]

Dallas really hopes we give this pick to you guys this year so we gain some flexibility back(plus it means we are a playoff team.)

Agree tho with the idea that its far better for you guys if we don't convey it this year because the bottom is going to fall out of the Mavericks in a couple years when Dirk is finished and you guys could be looking at a nice lotto pick.

[DontH8TheBrody]

Dallas really hopes we give this pick to you guys this year so we gain some flexibility back(plus it means we are a playoff team.)

Agree tho with the idea that its far better for you guys if we don't convey it this year because the bottom is going to fall out of the Mavericks in a couple years when Dirk is finished and you guys could be looking at a nice lotto pick.

Hey Chuck, I might be lost but can someone explain this pick better to me?

Top 20 protected, so is that any pick inside the top 20 comes to us? Or Anything outside of the top 20 comes to us?

[bondom34]

Dallas really hopes we give this pick to you guys this year so we gain some flexibility back(plus it means we are a playoff team.)

Agree tho with the idea that its far better for you guys if we don't convey it this year because the bottom is going to fall out of the Mavericks in a couple years when Dirk is finished and you guys could be looking at a nice lotto pick.

Hey Chuck, I might be lost but can someone explain this pick better to me?

Top 20 protected, so is that any pick inside the top 20 comes to us? Or Anything outside of the top 20 comes to us?

Anything outside top 20 goes to OKC. Top 20 goes to Dallas.

The pick is that way this year until 2017 I think, then unprotected. So basically, the hope for OKC (and disaster for Dallas), is that its top 20 for a couple years, then Dirk retires and Dallas stinks for a season giving the Thunder a really good pick. Its not terribly likely, but is what OKC would hope for.

I'm gonna sticky this w/ my new toys!

[Texas Chuck]

I'm gonna sticky this w/ my new toys!

here's hoping you use that toy to unsticky it come April.

Be a good neighbor up I-35 and take our pick already!

[bondom34]

I'm gonna sticky this w/ my new toys!

here's hoping you use that toy to unsticky it come April.

Be a good neighbor up I-35 and take our pick already!

Where the heck is I-35 .
I live in VA!

[comingbacktousa]

I'm gonna sticky this w/ my new toys!

here's hoping you use that toy to unsticky it come April.

Be a good neighbor up I-35 and take our pick already!

Where the heck is I-35 .
I live in VA!

Take I-95 south or highway 81(I think) depending on what part of VA, make a left on I-40 and keep driving for a little bit and you'll see it eventually.

[bondom34]

here's hoping you use that toy to unsticky it come April.

Be a good neighbor up I-35 and take our pick already!

Where the heck is I-35 .
I live in VA!

Take I-95 south or highway 81(I think) depending on what part of VA, make a left on I-40 and keep driving for a little bit and you'll see it eventually.

Now I just gotta get Chuck to pay for gas!

[wizkid27]

With what some considered an odd decision of sitting out the front end of the back to back, do you guys think it is possible that it entered into the decision with us owning Dallas's pick if it fell 21-30? It seems like a bit of a stretch, but seeing as they're right on that line right now, maybe if the front office is hoping to make the picks this year (or trade them for another asset), they would really want to end up with that pick.

[bondom34]

With what some considered an odd decision of sitting out the front end of the back to back, do you guys think it is possible that it entered into the decision with us owning Dallas's pick if it fell 21-30? It seems like a bit of a stretch, but seeing as they're right on that line right now, maybe if the front office is hoping to make the picks this year (or trade them for another asset), they would really want to end up with that pick.

Interesting thought.......
I wouldn't think, as it seems pretty likely to be conveyed this year either way, but we should keep an eye on how Russ is handled to see. Conspiracy theory???