Off Topic VI

[Logander]

well hopefully the Bobcats have a more successful summer than the Panthers have had so far.

It won't be hard I can tell you that. I'm not sure what Gettleman is thinking. Treating our GOAT like that and letting him go is bullcrap, all the while he's trying to get a player from his NY Giants team who really isn't that good. Let's be honest Nicks is better than what we have currently but we literally have 0 WRs.

[JDR720]

well hopefully the Bobcats have a more successful summer than the Panthers have had so far.

It won't be hard I can tell you that. I'm not sure what Gettleman is thinking. Treating our GOAT like that and letting him go is bullcrap, all the while he's trying to get a player from his NY Giants team who really isn't that good. Let's be honest Nicks is better than what we have currently but we literally have 0 WRs.

I can understand what Gettleman is doing, Steve isn't as good as he used to be and he was taking to much of the cap its a business after all and he has no ties to Smith, if we get Nicks we might get an upgrade he had a better season that Smith did with a worse QB in NYC


also on another note Ryan Clark has been talking with Carolina, if we can get him and Harper we have two starting veteran safeties would be happy with that

[KembaWalker]

Nicks isn't coming to Carolina, not that it would even be exciting if he did at this point. He's worse than Smith anyway.

Carolina won't sign anyone of note. We've got 7 draft picks that will net what, 2 starter level players and a couple backups. And about 12 holes in the roster to fill. This is basically a rebuild. Probably the last thing you want to start with Cam Newton free agency coming up. Dudes probably half way out the door already and I wouldn't blame him. Might not seem so bad now but wait till the talking heads start blaming him for cutting Smith and blaming him when the team is ass next year.

[fatlever]

will we get any compensatory picks due to all the free agents we lost?

still a handful of #2, #3, #4 receivers left on the market - nicks, james jones, emmanuel sanders, lefell, julian edelman, miles austin, kenny britt, santonio holmes, sidney rice, lance moore, jacoby ford, jerricho cotchery

...but we can forget about having a legit #1 option next year.

[penquin11]

Nicks isn't coming to Carolina, not that it would even be exciting if he did at this point. He's worse than Smith anyway.

Carolina won't sign anyone of note. We've got 7 draft picks that will net what, 2 starter level players and a couple backups. And about 12 holes in the roster to fill. This is basically a rebuild. Probably the last thing you want to start with Cam Newton free agency coming up. Dudes probably half way out the door already and I wouldn't blame him. Might not seem so bad now but wait till the talking heads start blaming him for cutting Smith and blaming him when the team is ass next year.

Several points:

1. At this point in his career, Nicks is better than Smith. If he can rebound to his superbowl season form then he is a top 10 WR in the NFL. Smith is a slot specialist now.

2. I doubt Cam leaves. Every other team in the NFL would have passed him up from where we drafted him. He is part of our culture, and he has to know that.

3. We have 7 draft picks. We have a tendency to hit on our 1st round picks, and this year should be no different. This draft is super deep, and it wouldn't be hard to find a difference maker in the 3rd or 4th rounds. The top 3 OT's in this draft all rank above the #1 OT in last years draft, and the WR depth isn't even comparable. Unlike most other teams, we won't be trying to grab a QB or a DE. We might bite on a CB early, but that is it.

4. Free Agency isn't over, and it isn't like the Panthers to be big spenders early on. In fact, in years that we have spent heavily in free-agency we tend to tank hard the following year. I think we are trying to avoid the honey pots right now. Rumor has it we are watching James Jones- a solid WR- and Hakeem Nicks (who if he returns to his potential would be the 2nd best WR we have ever had).

5. There is still plenty of depth at CB, OL, and WR left in Free Agency. CB Josh Wilson is solid, WR Denario Alexander is a beast when healthy (and would sign on a cheap contract), Jacoby Ford is young and has potential (and would easily replace Ginn), Mario Manningham is one of Gentlemen's boys- and would sign cheap, .....

The list goes on and on. This year has a deep crop of FA and Prospects. As long as we do SOMETHING we will be fine.

Remember, last year people thought we had the WORST secondary in the NFL coming into the season. Thomas Davis was supposed to be dead. Ted Ginn was a joke. And our O-Line looked suspect. Despite the losses we have sustained, we are no worse off then we were last year at this time.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Nicks is a Colt, 1-year 3.5m. We reportedly offered multiple years at 4.5m.

It's comical at this point.

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[amcoolio]

Theres nothing we can do. I doubt we offered Nicks anyway, he is always injured. Whats the point?

Carolina is paying 17 million to Stewart, Williams, and Tolbert, and 20 million to players not on the team.

Thats 37 million dollars in cap, and none of it was Gettleman's fault.

We are just in cap hell. It won't be better til 2016. The best we can hope for is field a strong defense and hope we can eek out enough offense

[fatlever]

Theres nothing we can do. I doubt we offered Nicks anyway, he is always injured. Whats the point?

Carolina is paying 17 million to Stewart, Williams, and Tolbert, and 20 million to players not on the team.

Thats 37 million dollars in cap, and none of it was Gettleman's fault.

We are just in cap hell. It won't be better til 2016. The best we can hope for is field a strong defense and hope we can eek out enough offense

you can probably add overpaying charles johnson and goodfrey to that list

[JDR720]

Theres nothing we can do. I doubt we offered Nicks anyway, he is always injured. Whats the point?

Carolina is paying 17 million to Stewart, Williams, and Tolbert, and 20 million to players not on the team.

Thats 37 million dollars in cap, and none of it was Gettleman's fault.

We are just in cap hell. It won't be better til 2016. The best we can hope for is field a strong defense and hope we can eek out enough offense

you can probably add overpaying charles johnson and goodfrey to that list

Marty Hurney put us in salary cap hell, we need to draft just 3 positions the whole draft OL-WR-CB everything else fill with random vets like last season

[JDR720]

still plenty of quality players left in FA we need to get about 7 of them on 1 year deals, mostly WR's secondary players and OL namely OT's

[fatlever]

Theres nothing we can do. I doubt we offered Nicks anyway, he is always injured. Whats the point?

Carolina is paying 17 million to Stewart, Williams, and Tolbert, and 20 million to players not on the team.

Thats 37 million dollars in cap, and none of it was Gettleman's fault.

We are just in cap hell. It won't be better til 2016. The best we can hope for is field a strong defense and hope we can eek out enough offense

you can probably add overpaying charles johnson and goodfrey to that list

Marty Hurney put us in salary cap hell, we need to draft just 3 positions the whole draft OL-WR-CB everything else fill with random vets like last season

but you know we will still use picks on a RB, LB and DL. just you watch.

[JDR720]

you can probably add overpaying charles johnson and goodfrey to that list

Marty Hurney put us in salary cap hell, we need to draft just 3 positions the whole draft OL-WR-CB everything else fill with random vets like last season

but you know we will still use picks on a RB, LB and DL. just you watch.

yep....believe it or not i have found a mock draft that had us taking a RB in the 1st round

[BlackOutBuzz]

CJ is NOT overpaid, at least not absurdly like our RBs are. Pass rushers are probably second only to QBs in importance (or maybe third after LTs), so it's only natural to put a lot of money into the position. Just so happens we have two good ones. Hardy deserves to get paid, but hopefully we can reach a long-term deal to reduce his cap hit instead of carrying that franchise tag.

Godfrey on the other hand should be gone already. We can save 2m by cutting him outright, or we can save 5m if we make him a June 1 cut like Smith.

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[Logander]

will we get any compensatory picks due to all the free agents we lost?

still a handful of #2, #3, #4 receivers left on the market - nicks, james jones, emmanuel sanders, lefell, julian edelman, miles austin, kenny britt, santonio holmes, sidney rice, lance moore, jacoby ford, jerricho cotchery

...but we can forget about having a legit #1 option next year.

Since Steve Smith was a top 10 player we should get between round 4-7 compensatory pick. I'm not sure about Munnerlyn or Mitchell but I think we would get some for those players as well.

[JDR720]

CJ is NOT overpaid, at least not absurdly like our RBs are. Pass rushers are probably second only to QBs in importance (or maybe third after LTs), so it's only natural to put a lot of money into the position. Just so happens we have two good ones. Hardy deserves to get paid, but hopefully we can reach a long-term deal to reduce his cap hit instead of carrying that franchise tag.

Godfrey on the other hand should be gone already. We can save 2m by cutting him outright, or we can save 5m if we make him a June 1 cut like Smith.

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should cut J-Stew also, he is always hurt, Kenjon Barner can replace him

[BlackOutBuzz]

I love Smith but he isn't top ten player anymore. Either way, you don't get compensatory picks for players you cut.

Plus this year's comp. picks would be based on guys we lost last year: Barnidge, Applewhite, Keiser... kinda doubt we get any this year.

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[BlackOutBuzz]

CJ is NOT overpaid, at least not absurdly like our RBs are. Pass rushers are probably second only to QBs in importance (or maybe third after LTs), so it's only natural to put a lot of money into the position. Just so happens we have two good ones. Hardy deserves to get paid, but hopefully we can reach a long-term deal to reduce his cap hit instead of carrying that franchise tag.

Godfrey on the other hand should be gone already. We can save 2m by cutting him outright, or we can save 5m if we make him a June 1 cut like Smith.

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should cut J-Stew also, he is always hurt, Kenjon Barner can replace him

Unfortunately his contract makes it impossible. His cap hit is actually only 4.5m right now, but if we cut or trade him it jumps to over 18m.

Cutting him as a June 1 only saves just under $800k this year but then about 12.7m hits us next year. Better to take hits this year instead of continually push it into the future when we have to pay Cam and Luke soon.

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[Tupik]

will we get any compensatory picks due to all the free agents we lost?

still a handful of #2, #3, #4 receivers left on the market - nicks, james jones, emmanuel sanders, lefell, julian edelman, miles austin, kenny britt, santonio holmes, sidney rice, lance moore, jacoby ford, jerricho cotchery

...but we can forget about having a legit #1 option next year.

Since Steve Smith was a top 10 player we should get between round 4-7 compensatory pick. I'm not sure about Munnerlyn or Mitchell but I think we would get some for those players as well.

I'm following the NFL more and more, but I'm still pretty much a noob. Can you really get compensatory picks in the NFL? How does it work?

[BlackOutBuzz]

will we get any compensatory picks due to all the free agents we lost?

still a handful of #2, #3, #4 receivers left on the market - nicks, james jones, emmanuel sanders, lefell, julian edelman, miles austin, kenny britt, santonio holmes, sidney rice, lance moore, jacoby ford, jerricho cotchery

...but we can forget about having a legit #1 option next year.

Since Steve Smith was a top 10 player we should get between round 4-7 compensatory pick. I'm not sure about Munnerlyn or Mitchell but I think we would get some for those players as well.

I'm following the NFL more and more, but I'm still pretty much a noob. Can you really get compensatory picks in the NFL? How does it work?

Basically you get them for guys whose contracts expire and sign elsewhere, you don't get comp. picks for players you cut (like Smith).

There's a rather extensive formula that takes into account things like contract, performance, awards, among other things, though I don't think it's public. Though you can generally get an idea. These picks are at the end of rounds 3-7, and are given out a year after a player leaves.

For instance, when Peppers left for Chicago, in his first year with the Bears he was a Pro-Bowler and got All-Pro votes. As a result we got the first comp. pick of the 3rd round.

However, these picks aren't given out on a case-by-case basis, but on the whole of your free agency. This is oversimplifying, but if you only lost one FA whom the NFL grades as worth a 5th rounder, but gained another in the same off-season from another team that was also considered a fifth, then they would cancel out and no pick would be given.

Hope that helps.

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[Logander]

Since Steve Smith was a top 10 player we should get between round 4-7 compensatory pick. I'm not sure about Munnerlyn or Mitchell but I think we would get some for those players as well.

I'm following the NFL more and more, but I'm still pretty much a noob. Can you really get compensatory picks in the NFL? How does it work?

Basically you get them for guys whose contracts expire and sign elsewhere, you don't get comp. picks for players you cut (like Smith).

There's a rather extensive formula that takes into account things like contract, performance, awards, among other things, though I don't think it's public. Though you can generally get an idea. These picks are at the end of rounds 3-7, and are given out a year after a player leaves.

For instance, when Peppers left for Chicago, in his first year with the Bears he was a Pro-Bowler and got All-Pro votes. As a result we got the first comp. pick of the 3rd round.

However, these picks aren't given out on a case-by-case basis, but on the whole of your free agency. This is oversimplifying, but if you only lost one FA whom the NFL grades as worth a 5th rounder, but gained another in the same off-season from another team that was also considered a fifth, then they would cancel out and no pick would be given.

Hope that helps.

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Yeah you're right about smith. However wouldn't you think we would get a pick out of either Munnerlyn or Mitchell? I'd figure they would be on the list possibly.

EDIT: I just realized we got Harper, so if we had a pick, it might of just got taken away.