Jerry West on the draft and state of the Lakers
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It's kind of nice having so many legends around whose opinions carry so much meaning with the fans.
West
Magic
Kareem (to some degree)
Shaq (to some degree)
Phil
Kobe
I have to think Elgin Baylor would be on that list also had he ever won a championship with the Lakers.
Most franchises would be blessed to have one or two of those guys associated with their team.
West
Magic
Kareem (to some degree)
Shaq (to some degree)
Phil
Kobe
I have to think Elgin Baylor would be on that list also had he ever won a championship with the Lakers.
Most franchises would be blessed to have one or two of those guys associated with their team.
Sometimes being wrong is awesome!!! 

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So like... Now that Phil's gone... Bring back West!
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AcecardZ wrote:It's kind of nice having so many legends around whose opinions carry so much meaning with the fans.
West
Magic
Kareem (to some degree)
Shaq (to some degree)
Phil
Kobe
I have to think Elgin Baylor would be on that list also had he ever won a championship with the Lakers.
Most franchises would be blessed to have one or two of those guys associated with their team.
SMH. Worthy all day.
Read more, learn more, change your posts.
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TonyMontana wrote:One more thing I would like to add is.
If you think Jim Buss is facing criticism now, wait until The Clippers win a title. If and then they win which they look pretty dam good this year then all hell will break loose on Jim and Mitch!! And that day when the Clippers roll their parade down the Staples center and raise their banner in OUR building is when you know we are screwed. I hope that day will never come but its looks like they have a good chance at it.
I wonder if then Jerry is going to change his tune when that happens??
Let's see the Clippers get through a round or two of the playoffs before you start anointing them.
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crazyeights wrote:TonyMontana wrote:One more thing I would like to add is.
If you think Jim Buss is facing criticism now, wait until The Clippers win a title. If and then they win which they look pretty dam good this year then all hell will break loose on Jim and Mitch!! And that day when the Clippers roll their parade down the Staples center and raise their banner in OUR building is when you know we are screwed. I hope that day will never come but its looks like they have a good chance at it.
I wonder if then Jerry is going to change his tune when that happens??
Let's see the Clippers get through a round or two of the playoffs before you start anointing them.
You cant be serious!! Your fisrt response to me since I have been back on this board and its this sht?
How did you come up with me anointing them of all the comments you could've made?? Because I give credit where credit is due?
I really don't give two shts about the Clippers or anybody else for that matter but you got to be kidding yourself if you think they're not going to make it to the W/C finals or even the NBA finals.
I would've agreed with you last year or the year before, but Danny Granger was their X factor.
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TonyMontana wrote:crazyeights wrote:TonyMontana wrote:One more thing I would like to add is.
If you think Jim Buss is facing criticism now, wait until The Clippers win a title. If and then they win which they look pretty dam good this year then all hell will break loose on Jim and Mitch!! And that day when the Clippers roll their parade down the Staples center and raise their banner in OUR building is when you know we are screwed. I hope that day will never come but its looks like they have a good chance at it.
I wonder if then Jerry is going to change his tune when that happens??
Let's see the Clippers get through a round or two of the playoffs before you start anointing them.
You cant be serious!! Your fisrt response to me since I have been back on this board and its this sht?
How did you come up with me anointing them of all the comments you could've made?? Because I give credit where credit is due?
I really don't give two shts about the Clippers or anybody else for that matter but you got to be kidding yourself if you think they're not going to make it to the W/C finals or even the NBA finals.
I would've agreed with you last year or the year before, but Danny Granger was their X factor.
Oh, Tony, feisty today are we?


Relax.
My point is it's March 18th. Let's just see them in the playoffs. Sure, their team is amazingly stacked. But we all know the playoffs are a different beast.
Also, when someone says "wait until The Clippers win a title" that literally means they will eventually win a title. But anyways, I was just poking fun. Again, relax.
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They **** fed their Gremlin... I mean, **** people... It's not like it was the formula for nuclear fission... Don't feed, don't water... That's **** it...
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crazyeights wrote:
Oh, Tony, feisty today are we?
Relax.
Not at all! It just seems like this board has turned into Fox News facebook page. You have your liberals on one side and your conservatives on the other. And there is no in-betweens. Its like no one can voice their opinions and if you do the other party gets all butt hurt. That's goes for everyone including myself. You can clearly see the tension and you can clearly see whos on which side. The only difference is I can admit when Im wrong. Nobody is perfect.
crazyeights wrote: My point is it's March 18th. Let's just see them in the playoffs. Sure, their team is amazingly stacked. But we all know the playoffs are a different beast.
They are but so was the Denver Broncos and they were emberassed and I do agree with you. I really do. If anything you remember about me from the past was when our board would go nuts when we would win a game in the playoffs. I was one of the few who use to tell certain posters to wait till the trophy is raise before we go running our mouths.
crazyeights wrote: Also, when someone says "wait until The Clippers win a title" that literally means they will eventually win a title.
You are correct I did say that but the next sentence started with " IF" so I don't see where you assumed I think they will eventually win a title. If anything I hope they don't get out of the first round. In-fact I wish they choke on a fat DOC! I don't want to see them win jack.
crazyeights wrote:But anyways, I was just poking fun. Again, relax.
I know mang but when your first response to me since I have been back is me anointing them. I didn't take it as a joke. My bad!!! If anything I would have chose other words like "Crowing them champs" or something else.
Specially when I never share my magic oil with anyone unless your a fine arse female!
We cool mang!!
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TonyMontana wrote:crazyeights wrote:
Oh, Tony, feisty today are we?
Relax.
Not at all! It just seems like this board has turned into Fox News facebook page. You have your liberals on one side and your conservatives on the other. And there is no in-betweens. Its like no one can voice their opinions and if you do the other party gets all butt hurt. That's goes for everyone including myself. You can clearly see the tension and you can clearly see whos on which side. The only difference is I can admit when Im wrong. Nobody is perfect.
the difference is that you, the fox news of your comparison, make claims based on your imagination and not facts. for example, i've seen you say a few times something to the effect of "if jim would just let mitch do his job", i'll search your posts if you don't recall....what exactly has jim gone off and done on his own against mitch's wishes?
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TyCobb wrote:AcecardZ wrote:It's kind of nice having so many legends around whose opinions carry so much meaning with the fans.
West
Magic
Kareem (to some degree)
Shaq (to some degree)
Phil
Kobe
I have to think Elgin Baylor would be on that list also had he ever won a championship with the Lakers.
Most franchises would be blessed to have one or two of those guys associated with their team.
SMH. Worthy all day.
I almost added Worthy...
Sometimes being wrong is awesome!!! 

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dockingsched wrote:TonyMontana wrote:crazyeights wrote:
Oh, Tony, feisty today are we?
Relax.
Not at all! It just seems like this board has turned into Fox News facebook page. You have your liberals on one side and your conservatives on the other. And there is no in-betweens. Its like no one can voice their opinions and if you do the other party gets all butt hurt. That's goes for everyone including myself. You can clearly see the tension and you can clearly see whos on which side. The only difference is I can admit when Im wrong. Nobody is perfect.
the difference is that you, the fox news of your comparison, make claims based on your imagination and not facts. for example, i've seen you say a few times something to the effect of "if jim would just let mitch do his job", i'll search your posts if you don't recall....what exactly has jim gone off and done on his own against mitch's wishes?
I have two versions, Long and Short.
I love how you questioned me on "which one of his/J.W points wasn't valid?" And I did answer you yet you didn't reply but now your calling me out on this.
Short version!
SHT hit the fan when Jim took over!
Long Version!
Btw you don't need to search whether or not I did say "if jim would just let mitch do his job"> I did say it, many many many times. I DID!!
So now Im imagining things? Because YOU DOC the guy who is never wrong and everything he says or posts is as accurate as can be when it comes to the this Org because he is sitting in Jims office while Mitch is discussing trades F.A etc.. So you have facts but I imagine things.
Its called assumption. Not imagination. You can google it if you cant tell the difference between them.
I'm assuming. Again unless you are there in the conversation then I'm sure your assuming just like all of us are. Unless there is a third party involved in the conversation that can relay the conversation that took place and who said what so on. But like everybody else what goes on between Mitch and Jim Buss behind closed doors is between Mitch and Jim Buss.
The reason Im ASSUMING is very simple.
As a Laker fan since 78 and active member of this board since 2006 since Mitch took over I have seen Mitch pull off some of the best trades and singed some very good talent by any G.M at the right time with the right player . I have never ever doubted Mitch when it came to his job and the talent he acquired to make this team a contender. Not once. Nor have I seen him in a position where he made careless decisions and didn't have any future contingency plans incase things didn't work out. We are in that state right now. We don't have anything to look forward to, nor do we have any picks, any interest by any F.A and our only hope lays on how we finish this season so we can aquire a high draft pick which YOUR boy MDA is trying his hardest to save his job and players that are fighting for their next contract and we might be lucky if we get a 8th or 10th round pick. Plus we are still stuck with MDA and Nash on the books.
So, if I know my G.M has a very good history and a successful past PRE JIM BUSS era and he is by far one of the best G.Ms in this league and all of a sudden post Jerry Buss era we start falling, poor coaching decisions Brown/MDA , bad decisions Howard , Old has been Nash and picks. Kobes extension. That's just a few but you get my point. So me as a fan that knows a little just a little (not as much as DOC) sees these issues when Jim took over it clearly makes me believe that something is going wrong.
Now I cant blame Mitch because Mitch has a very impressive record and he is proven over and over again. But I saw a drastic change for the worst once Jim Buss took over. And as we all know, every professional org has a chain of command. At the end the guy that signs the checks has the last SAY SO. So common sense and assumption leads me to believe that "Why all of a sudden Jim took over everything got #$@%ed" ?
Who's to blame the valet attended, the cashier in section 303? The scouts? Oh wait Jim got rid of them too. So whos to blame, its not Mitch cause how can someone so good screw up so badly in ONLY TWO YEARS and it all started when Jim Buss took over??
Now its funny that you single me out (like you always do when someone disagrees with you) but how can Laker legends like Magic, Worthy, Phil, Kobe, and now Pau (not a legend) are speaking out about Jim and the issues facing this Org. could be wrong? His own dam sister expressed her concerns yet YOU and a couple of mods and a few posters have basically thrown every member that spoke out about Jim and Lakers org. under the bus and defended Jim on everything right or wrong!
Are they imagining too?
Sorry for the long post mang, I hope we wont go back to this question again and if you do Im sure your good at pulling up peoples past comments to prove a point. Your good at that mang. Sad part is you'll never admit your own faults or mistakes.
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so ten million words to say that your thoughts are based on nothing but assumptions and no substance, alrighty then.
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TonyMontana wrote:dockingsched wrote:TonyMontana wrote:He has SOME valid points. No much but some.
which one of his points wasn't valid?“It’s easy to criticize when you’re on the sidelines to criticize. It’s easy for fans, particularly players and ex-players to rant and criticize everything they do over there. But it doesn’t help.”
First of all he's not even on the Lakers sideline, he's in the GSW sideline.
Every true fan is entitled to voice his or hers opinion not matter how right or wrong they maybe.
The ex player that voiced his opinion was Magic and I know how you feel about him, but Magic right or wrong has shed his blood heart and soul for this franchise just as much as J.W has and he has every right to voice his opinion. Its okay with you and others when he supported Jim but now that he is voicing his displeasure he's the bad guy.
If a player in this case Kobe voices his opinion then who is J.W to say that he cant! Kobe is the team captain and the face of this franchise. If anything. Jim is no longer part of this org. The fans Magic and Kobe still are a part of this org. and its pretty wrong for J.W to basically say everybody needs to sthu and just go with the flow.
nothing you said addressed the point that it doesn't help. he didn't say they can't speak up, he just said it doesn't help. you missed the entire point of that quote like you usually do, this is why i didn't bother replying to this before.
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TonyMontana wrote:crazyeights wrote:
I know mang but when your first response to me since I have been back is me anointing them. I didn't take it as a joke. My bad!!! If anything I would have chose other words like "Crowing them champs" or something else.
Specially when I never share my magic oil with anyone unless your a fine arse female!
We cool mang!!


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You've also got to remember that Jerry West has been a player/coach/general manager his entire life and he will always think like one. Magic has been anointed Jerry Buss' favorite son and an owner ever since he left college and he will always think in that perspective, throwing out petty statements that probably would be hard for a seasoned GM to digest.



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dockingsched wrote:so ten million words to say that your thoughts are based on nothing but assumptions and no substance, alrighty then.
I gave you an option of a short version and a long one!! Who's fault is that? Magics!
dockingsched wrote:TonyMontana wrote: org. and its pretty wrong for J.W to basically say everybody needs to sthu and just go with the flow.
nothing you said addressed the point that it doesn't help. he didn't say they can't speak up, he just said it doesn't help. you missed the entire point of that quote like you usually do, this is why i didn't bother replying to this before.
Your kidding right? I posted J.W had some valid points and some that didn't. You asked me which one? I respond one example. He called out fans, ex players and current players and at the end he said but it doesn't help."
I responded the fans have the right to voice their opinions and so does Magic and so does Kobe and J.W doesn't have the right to tell anybody including fans and the Captain of this team not to voice their opinion.
J.W is no longer part of this Org and we the fans are and so is Kobe. Obviously I was right since Kobe opened his mouth and addressed his concerns and issues and so did Pau. And now the management is looking at hiring a new coach. So I guess it does help. I addressed that.
What is it with you DOC. You're like a cyber school yard bully trying to force your own opinion on everybody to agree with you and if they disagrees with you the first thing you do is attack them seeking attention and power.
Incase you didn't know this is public forum on the internet that millions of people have access to. There is always going to be a difference in an opinion by others. You act like Putin trying to take over Crimea and you want everybody to agree with you. Calm down brah. We are not all perfect and everybody is entitled to their own opinion. We still have our freedom of speech. Not everybody sees the world through your eyes. This is why I took two years off from this board. At that time, I got tired of you forcing your opinion about Howard on everybody that disagreed with you. And here you are again doing the same thing. Maybe you should block me and others that disagree with you and your posts instead of attacking them!!!
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crazyeights wrote:TonyMontana wrote:crazyeights wrote:
I know mang but when your first response to me since I have been back is me anointing them. I didn't take it as a joke. My bad!!! If anything I would have chose other words like "Crowing them champs" or something else.
Specially when I never share my magic oil with anyone unless your a fine arse female!
We cool mang!!Tony, never go anywhere. You're a keeper. Just don't all this too seriously

We are on the internet. Its different when its in person, then I have no problem dealing with it. But lately people keep taking shots at everyone that disagrees with them. Im cool as long as it can go both ways. But Im trying to bite my tounge as much as I can, but we're cool mang.