Wade's medical carton

[HIF]

If he is back to his old self for the playoffs then Bron should become a facilitator and let wade win the show.

Wade at his best is more offensively deadly than Lebron.

If Wade plays his best WE ARE CHAMPIONS AGAIN. Book it.

So 2011 again?

no 2006 Wise ass

[HIF]

2011 again but except Lebron shows up... getting erased by Shawn Marion is not supposed to happen.

Turning him into a facilitator and making Wade the focal point of the offense will achieve the same result.

Lebron is best as a facilitator.

When he bonces the ball into the floor we are poor.

Good teams can stop the Lebron one man show.

We win when we pass.

[HIF]

Hahaha, this post is so embarassing it's kind of sad. I'll tell you one thing, if things go your way the opposing team's coach will be licking his chops, and Miami will not win.

Yeah, I don't know why people are thinking like that. Maybe the are forgetting how we dominated Indiana games 4-6 (with no Bosh), OKC 2012, and during the 27 game win streak last year.

All of the times we had both LeBron and Wade attacking together, setting each other up and everybody else on the team. These make one guy (Wade) the facilitator and let the other score is a dream scenario for the opposing coach/team. We need them playing together like the 1-2 punch they are capable of being. This takes nothing away from Wade who is a great-great player in his own right but we need LeBron leading the charge and Wade being aggressive and attacking as well to win this time.

Just little Wade fan boys who cum their pants at the thought of him winning another FMVP. I don't think they even care about him adding rings to his resume for as long as he's the "sidekick". Pathetic but it gives me a decent laugh.

Says one of the biggest Lebron boys.

Where were you 10 years ago? 20 years ago?

We aren't winning with either being passive but Bron needs to pass the ball and use a moving Wade.

Wade is the better shooter and basket attacker, Bron is a supreme passer.

[fast-break]

Yeah, I don't know why people are thinking like that. Maybe the are forgetting how we dominated Indiana games 4-6 (with no Bosh), OKC 2012, and during the 27 game win streak last year.

All of the times we had both LeBron and Wade attacking together, setting each other up and everybody else on the team. These make one guy (Wade) the facilitator and let the other score is a dream scenario for the opposing coach/team. We need them playing together like the 1-2 punch they are capable of being. This takes nothing away from Wade who is a great-great player in his own right but we need LeBron leading the charge and Wade being aggressive and attacking as well to win this time.

Just little Wade fan boys who cum their pants at the thought of him winning another FMVP. I don't think they even care about him adding rings to his resume for as long as he's the "sidekick". Pathetic but it gives me a decent laugh.

Says one of the biggest Lebron boys.

Where were you 10 years ago? 20 years ago?

We aren't winning with either being passive but Bron needs to pass the ball and use a moving Wade.

Wade is the better shooter and basket attacker, Bron is a supreme passer.

Let me lay it out for you try-hard.

2011: Passive facilitator Lebron with D Wade running the show. No title.

2012: Dominant high scoring, playmaking, high rebounding, active defense Lebron running the show. Champions

2013: Lebron and shooters? That's where they go on a run...and inevitably live to see another day thanks to Rays Game 6 shot. Champions

As for D Wade being the better shooter and attacker? That couldn't be more false, although he may actually be hitting his jumpers at a better clip this year than Lebron which is nice to see but consider this...Lebron leads 3rd in the league in scoring, and.... defenses are actually designed and planned to STOP HIM, not Dwyane Wade. This doesn't take away from Dwyane's scoring ability but even a small child could see they are defended much differently, as expected.

Oh and as for the 20 years ago bit, I'll just say...I was very young but am certainly of age now, which leads me to think you're possibly much older? Haha, makes your "the jealous girlfriend" homerism all the more disgusting.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

If I were an NBA coach that expects to play Miami in the Playoffs, I would read this article and then prepare all of my players to force Wade to use that knee to push off of 99% of the time. I would design 1 or 2 defensive schemes to force Wade to use his body in a way that would increase stress and strain on his bad knee, for example, telling my defenders to always make him go X way etc... in hopes of making him sit out of games or get re-injured and miss the rest of the playoff series.

[HIF]

Just little Wade fan boys who cum their pants at the thought of him winning another FMVP. I don't think they even care about him adding rings to his resume for as long as he's the "sidekick". Pathetic but it gives me a decent laugh.

Says one of the biggest Lebron boys.

Where were you 10 years ago? 20 years ago?

We aren't winning with either being passive but Bron needs to pass the ball and use a moving Wade.

Wade is the better shooter and basket attacker, Bron is a supreme passer.

Let me lay it out for you try-hard.

2011: Passive facilitator Lebron with D Wade running the show. No title.

2012: Dominant high scoring, playmaking, high rebounding, active defense Lebron running the show. Champions

2013: Lebron and shooters? That's where they go on a run...and inevitably live to see another day thanks to Rays Game 6 shot. Champions

As for D Wade being the better shooter and attacker? That couldn't be more false, although he may actually be hitting his jumpers at a better clip this year than Lebron which is nice to see but consider this...Lebron leads 3rd in the league in scoring, and.... defenses are actually designed and planned to STOP HIM, not Dwyane Wade. This doesn't take away from Dwyane's scoring ability but even a small child could see they are defended much differently, as expected.

Oh and as for the 20 years ago bit, I'll just say...I was very young but am certainly of age now, which leads me to think you're possibly much older? Haha, makes your "the jealous girlfriend" homerism all the more disgusting.

let me lay it out for you.

2010 Bron joins the Heat because he realises he can't win it all on his own.
2011 Things go well until Bron decides to try to win the finals on his own.
2012 Bron wins his 1st championship playing with a team mentality
2013 Bron wins his 2nd championship playing with a team mentality
2014 Bron wins his 3rd championship IF he plays within a team mentality and doesn't try to win it on his own.

Bron IS our best player - so don't let your homerism and Wade jealousies get too much of a hold on you. But he and the Heat won't win unless he passes that ball to Bosh and Allen and Bird etc... but most of all to Wade if Wade is playing as well as this article anticipâtes in the playoffs.

This article IS a Wade article, it's your jealousies that are making it a Wade V Bron issue.

[fast-break]

Says one of the biggest Lebron boys.

Where were you 10 years ago? 20 years ago?

We aren't winning with either being passive but Bron needs to pass the ball and use a moving Wade.

Wade is the better shooter and basket attacker, Bron is a supreme passer.

Let me lay it out for you try-hard.

2011: Passive facilitator Lebron with D Wade running the show. No title.

2012: Dominant high scoring, playmaking, high rebounding, active defense Lebron running the show. Champions

2013: Lebron and shooters? That's where they go on a run...and inevitably live to see another day thanks to Rays Game 6 shot. Champions

As for D Wade being the better shooter and attacker? That couldn't be more false, although he may actually be hitting his jumpers at a better clip this year than Lebron which is nice to see but consider this...Lebron leads 3rd in the league in scoring, and.... defenses are actually designed and planned to STOP HIM, not Dwyane Wade. This doesn't take away from Dwyane's scoring ability but even a small child could see they are defended much differently, as expected.

Oh and as for the 20 years ago bit, I'll just say...I was very young but am certainly of age now, which leads me to think you're possibly much older? Haha, makes your "the jealous girlfriend" homerism all the more disgusting.

let me lay it out for you.

2010 Bron joins the Heat because he realises he can't win it all on his own.
2011 Things go well until Bron decides to try to win the finals on his own.
2012 Bron wins his 1st championship playing with a team mentality
2013 Bron wins his 2nd championship playing with a team mentality
2014 Bron wins his 3rd championship IF he plays within a team mentality and doesn't try to win it on his own.

Bron IS our best player - so don't let your homerism and Wade jealousies get too much of a hold on you. But he and the Heat won't win unless he passes that ball to Bosh and Allen and Bird etc... but most of all to Wade if Wade is playing as well as this article anticipâtes in the playoffs.

This article IS a Wade article, it's your jealousies that are making it a Wade V Bron issue.

You're trying too hard. Get back on topic

[heatlespeatles]

Says one of the biggest Lebron boys.

Where were you 10 years ago? 20 years ago?

We aren't winning with either being passive but Bron needs to pass the ball and use a moving Wade.

Wade is the better shooter and basket attacker, Bron is a supreme passer.

Let me lay it out for you try-hard.

2011: Passive facilitator Lebron with D Wade running the show. No title.

2012: Dominant high scoring, playmaking, high rebounding, active defense Lebron running the show. Champions

2013: Lebron and shooters? That's where they go on a run...and inevitably live to see another day thanks to Rays Game 6 shot. Champions

As for D Wade being the better shooter and attacker? That couldn't be more false, although he may actually be hitting his jumpers at a better clip this year than Lebron which is nice to see but consider this...Lebron leads 3rd in the league in scoring, and.... defenses are actually designed and planned to STOP HIM, not Dwyane Wade. This doesn't take away from Dwyane's scoring ability but even a small child could see they are defended much differently, as expected.

Oh and as for the 20 years ago bit, I'll just say...I was very young but am certainly of age now, which leads me to think you're possibly much older? Haha, makes your "the jealous girlfriend" homerism all the more disgusting.

let me lay it out for you.

2010 Bron joins the Heat because he realises he can't win it all on his own.
2011 Things go well until Bron decides to try to win the finals on his own.
2012 Bron wins his 1st championship playing with a team mentality
2013 Bron wins his 2nd championship playing with a team mentality
2014 Bron wins his 3rd championship IF he plays within a team mentality and doesn't try to win it on his own.

Bron IS our best player - so don't let your homerism and Wade jealousies get too much of a hold on you. But he and the Heat won't win unless he passes that ball to Bosh and Allen and Bird etc... but most of all to Wade if Wade is playing as well as this article anticipâtes in the playoffs.

This article IS a Wade article, it's your jealousies that are making it a Wade V Bron issue.

You had me until this, this didnt happen at all. The ball was in Wade's hands mostly in the Mavs series (everyone knows this), after being in Bron's hands all playoffs. Lebron became passive and the whole chemistry was off. Thus we lost. I am of firm belief you need a clear set leader on a team, in the mavs series it was all over the place, in every series prior to that, we had a clear set leader and we won.

[dr3am]

Wow at the last few pages...No wonder why the Heat fan base gets such a bad rep, it's 2014 & people on this board are still having LeBron vs. Wade debates...Can people really take their freaking homer glasses off & focus on what actually matters the most "Banner #4", "3 PEAT"? Sheesh...Oh yea HIF sorry man but you sound very foolish saying LeBron needs to take a facilitator role. I love Wade but at the end of the day LeBron is still the best player in the game today & he should not take a facilitator role at all because if you actually watched the last two NBA Finals that we've won, we are at our best when LeBron is being aggressive & running the offense

As far as the LeBron homers that say crap like Wade can't run a team by himself anymore, FOH. When Wade is healthy he's a top 5 player easily & before LeBron came to town Wade still lead a team full of scrubs to a top 5 seed in the East consistently (minus 07-08 because Wade was injured of course)

Now it would be great if this thread goes back to talking about Wade's progress with Tim Grover...Just saying

[MisterHibachi]

2011 again but except Lebron shows up... getting erased by Shawn Marion is not supposed to happen.

Turning him into a facilitator and making Wade the focal point of the offense will achieve the same result.

Lebron is best as a facilitator.

When he bonces the ball into the floor we are poor.

Good teams can stop the Lebron one man show.

We win when we pass.

This makes no sense. Turn LeBron into a passer yet when he bounces the ball we aren't good. How else is he supposed to facilitate if not by being point guard and setting up plays, by y'know, bouncing the ball? Is he supposed to swing the ball around like a role player?

We win when we pass, yes. But that's obvious, why even articulate that?

You don't know LeBron if you think he's best as a facilitator... His best games? Game 5 vs Detroit, game 6 vs Boston, game 6 and 7 vs San Antonio. I missed the part where he was racking up assists in those games.

I'm glad our coaching staff has better basketball IQ and knows how to use LeBron properly.

[DWadeno3]

I really hope some of you don't coach or never get to coach because the things you focus on are flat out (Please Use More Appropriate Word). You don't need one guy doing this and one guy doing that, you don't need an alpha dog and a beta dog and what not, you don't need a scorer and a facilitator. You need a group of five guys that plays to its strengths and attacks the opponent's weaknesses to keep it simple. All the other bulls*** I see in here is the media stuff some of you got caught up in.

We didn't lose the Mavs series because Wade was suddenly trying to be the leader and pushed LeBron out of the way. We lost the Mavs series because Dallas had a brilliant game plan that was designed to attack ours and we never countered properly. This game plan, amongst other things, completely took LeBron out of the game and thus, you can compliment Rick Carlisle and his staff for being this good.
Remember the Celtics round that same year? Wade and James were both averaging 25+, taking their shots and completely dominating, did anybody say "Oh hey, look, LeBron is pushing D-Wade out" or "Hey, Wade is pushing LeBron too far out, LeBron needs to be the alpha dog for the Heat to win"? No because we won, they were both playing well and murdered Boston.

It's funny how a lot of people here hate Skip Bayless, yet apply the same logic. LeBron sucked against Dallas because he couldn't figure out how to play them better but our coaching staff sucked as well and our role players didn't help the cause either. I can guarantee you, had the role-players stepped up the way Battier, Miller, Chalmers, Cole, Allen etc. have these previous season, we could've won that series as well. Had the coaching staff not been so helpless, we could've beaten them too. Had LeBron been smarter or more polished skill wise, we could've beaten them too.

Do you think it's a coincidence LeBron has added a post game and has improved his outside shooting after that series? He knew he was too predictable, despite all his talents and his big numbers and needed to become a more skilled player to help us win it all.

With all that being said, if Wade is finally healthy during this year's playoff run, you would be flat out stupid to push two players of Wade's and James' caliber into certain roles, thus limiting their talents and abilities. When one of them has it going in a game or has a mismatch, I hope we milk that cow until it's dry. Hell, if we have a series where Bosh has it going or a mismatch or is the beneficiary of a lot of plays, I hope we feed him to no end.

[MisterHibachi]

Any updates on the knee? I haven't watched the games recently, but read in the game thread yesterday that Wade got bumped on the knee then slowed down a bit?

[PaulieWal]

Any updates on the knee? I haven't watched the games recently, but read in the game thread yesterday that Wade got bumped on the knee then slowed down a bit?

I haven't heard anything from the beat writers. Only thing Tom Haberstroh (who isn't a beat writer anyway) said yesterday was that he expects Wade to miss the Memphis game or even take the entire weekend off because of the bump. But I am thinking it may not be anything serious if the others haven't said anything but then Wade and the Heat are notoriously secretive about the injuries until you finally realize then something is wrong with him like in the playoffs last year.

If this is something serious, I will lose my ****. He deserves a healthy run. It's been 2 years of this. I can only imagine how taxing it must be on him.

[DWadeno3]

Any updates on the knee? I haven't watched the games recently, but read in the game thread yesterday that Wade got bumped on the knee then slowed down a bit?

I don't think him slowing down had anything to do with the knee. If it was a medical condition, and not just him being garbage, it was his bloody nose. Apparently, it started bleeding at the beginning of the game due to the dry air and then he got hit later, causing it to bleed again and he stated he never felt right on the court. So if he was out of it and not just not playing well, that's probably it.

I've been pretty spot-on about the time when he was having knee issues last year and it really didn't seem like it last night.

[HIF]

Turning him into a facilitator and making Wade the focal point of the offense will achieve the same result.

Lebron is best as a facilitator.

When he bonces the ball into the floor we are poor.

Good teams can stop the Lebron one man show.

We win when we pass.

This makes no sense. Turn LeBron into a passer yet when he bounces the ball we aren't good. How else is he supposed to facilitate if not by being point guard and setting up plays, by y'know, bouncing the ball? Is he supposed to swing the ball around like a role player?

We win when we pass, yes. But that's obvious, why even articulate that?

You don't know LeBron if you think he's best as a facilitator... His best games? Game 5 vs Detroit, game 6 vs Boston, game 6 and 7 vs San Antonio. I missed the part where he was racking up assists in those games.

I'm glad our coaching staff has better basketball IQ and knows how to use LeBron properly.

No Lebron biggest problem is when hegets the ball in his hands with 18 secs left in the shot clock and then bounces the ball for 17 of them before hoisting up a well-defended jump shot.

He does it way too much and it's ugly.

And he has a tendacy to do this a lot in the 4th Q.

He needs to pass and set up or pass and get better position to receive the ball again.

The team is not good when we go iso.

[HIF]

Any updates on the knee? I haven't watched the games recently, but read in the game thread yesterday that Wade got bumped on the knee then slowed down a bit?

It's clear that you don't Watch games too often.

[Miaheatfan3]

What an amazing read... I have even more respect, if possible, for wade now.

I'm sure he'll be 100% mentally and physically ready for the playoffs.

[MisterHibachi]

Lebron is best as a facilitator.

When he bonces the ball into the floor we are poor.

Good teams can stop the Lebron one man show.

We win when we pass.

This makes no sense. Turn LeBron into a passer yet when he bounces the ball we aren't good. How else is he supposed to facilitate if not by being point guard and setting up plays, by y'know, bouncing the ball? Is he supposed to swing the ball around like a role player?

We win when we pass, yes. But that's obvious, why even articulate that?

You don't know LeBron if you think he's best as a facilitator... His best games? Game 5 vs Detroit, game 6 vs Boston, game 6 and 7 vs San Antonio. I missed the part where he was racking up assists in those games.

I'm glad our coaching staff has better basketball IQ and knows how to use LeBron properly.

No Lebron biggest problem is when hegets the ball in his hands with 18 secs left in the shot clock and then bounces the ball for 17 of them before hoisting up a well-defended jump shot.

He does it way too much and it's ugly.

And he has a tendacy to do this a lot in the 4th Q.

He needs to pass and set up or pass and get better position to receive the ball again.

The team is not good when we go iso.

So he should be a facilitator with the ball out of his hands? You're not making any sense.

Anyways, I'm done here. You clearly analyze the game in ridiculously simple terms and you're still stuck in that 09 mentality of LeBron vs. Wade instead of realizing they're both needed at their best for the team to three peat. As DWadeno3 said, pigeonholing either of them into strict roles like you want them is stupid af.

And as for the other post you quoted me on, I don't need to prove to you how many games I watch or how often.

Good day, HIF.

[Dupas]

most difficult year for wade. If he puts his body and mind together we 3 peat. If not we might go into some pain ass rebuilding mode in the next years. Enjoy the ride while it last boys