ImageImageImageImageImage

Tying up role players to cheap long term contracts

Moderators: Kilroy, Danny Darko, TyCobb

User avatar
DEEP3CL
RealGM
Posts: 27,899
And1: 3,207
Joined: Jul 23, 2005
Location: LOS ANGELES,CA.
     

Re: Tying up role players to cheap long term contracts 

Post#21 » by DEEP3CL » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:08 pm

That is straight up not happening, you can't get guys like Farmar or J.Hill to sign long term on the cheap. Guys like them are established vets and could command decent salaries with other teams that aren't as cash handcuffed as the Lakers. The Rockets did what they did with lesser known and unestablished players.

Maybe Bazemore and Scare would do it because they're looking for security based on the fact they're hanging in the league by a string anyway. I don't even think Johnson would do it. ...he's been in the league like what 4-5 years ?

I can't see Henry doing it because he's shown that he can play and he was a former 1st round pick.

Plus the thing guys don't understand is that you never as a player cut down your value.Not if you're a guy that could do better in the right situation.
VETERAN LAKERS FAN

SmartWentCrazy wrote:It's extremely unlikely that they end up in the top 3.They're probably better off trying to win and giving Philly the 8th pick than tanking and giving them the 4th.
User avatar
DwnShft2Xcelr8
Pro Prospect
Posts: 863
And1: 913
Joined: Jan 20, 2014
Location: SoCal
   

Re: Tying up role players to cheap long term contracts 

Post#22 » by DwnShft2Xcelr8 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:48 pm

I hope Hill and Young suffering injuries this season scares them enough into thinking whatever low balling offer the Lakers initially offer will be the best they can get.
Hide in car on Friday nights so cat thinks I have a social life crew
Telemarketers hang up on me crew
Jehovah's Witnesses close my door for me crew
Parents get upset when I visit crew
Homeless people won't accept money from me crew
TyCobb
Forum Mod - Lakers
Forum Mod - Lakers
Posts: 38,252
And1: 9,956
Joined: Apr 17, 2005
Location: Pitcher's Mound
     

Re: Tying up role players to cheap long term contracts 

Post#23 » by TyCobb » Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:42 am

These dudes get hurt too much.
Read more, learn more, change your posts.
User avatar
Pierre The Poet
Sophomore
Posts: 167
And1: 49
Joined: Feb 09, 2014

Re: Tying up role players to cheap long term contracts 

Post#24 » by Pierre The Poet » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:33 am

Yup I agree. History has us winning a title or two or three every decade. After the threepeat we went through a lot of changes and ups and downs all the way to 2008-10. So its 2014. I hope this coming draft brings us a good pick and we sign some good talent give or take a few years post Kobe I hope we can get back into contention by 2017-18 and win a couple of back to backs.
FTW Go Lakers.[/quote]

Difference is that we had the best player in basketball. So we could make a change here or there, get a Pau Gasol, and boom...championships. But without the best, it gets a lot lot lot tougher. We could sign Kevin Love and maybe Westbrook, get a good pick, some good role players, doesn't mean a ring. Post Kobe is gonna be rough unless we draft another Kobe, another Magic...and they're just so hard to come by.
He will rise again...
User avatar
dockingsched
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 56,660
And1: 23,966
Joined: Aug 02, 2005
     

Re: Tying up role players to cheap long term contracts 

Post#25 » by dockingsched » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:32 am

i'm up for locking up good role players, but one thing to keep in mind is that a lot of the motivation for these guys is that they're playing for their NBA lives since they have no guarantee as well as playing for a bigger pay day since they're free agents. will locking them up to a modest raise kill their motivation?

another thing that i'd keep in mind is that these guys were pretty easy to come by, no reason to lock up these players for multi million deals when there will be some available every summer for the vet min. the front office seems to be pretty good at finding underused players and raising their stock.
"We must try not to sink beneath our anguish, Harry, but battle on." - Dumbledore
Slava
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 61,128
And1: 33,799
Joined: Oct 15, 2006
     

Re: Tying up role players to cheap long term contracts 

Post#26 » by Slava » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:48 am

dockingsched wrote:i'm up for locking up good role players, but one thing to keep in mind is that a lot of the motivation for these guys is that they're playing for their NBA lives since they have no guarantee as well as playing for a bigger pay day since they're free agents. will locking them up to a modest raise kill their motivation?

another thing that i'd keep in mind is that these guys were pretty easy to come by, no reason to lock up these players for multi million deals when there will be some available every summer for the vet min. the front office seems to be pretty good at finding underused players and raising their stock.


Jordan Hill is a good example for that, he's got his money and still kept up the high motor, despite what Houston fans were telling us when he got traded here. I'd probably not worry about motivation for guys like Henry, Johnson and Bazemore.

Henry was just drafted by the wrong team, got injured and issues just snowballed for him, happens pretty often in the NBA and he is a 2-guard with good size and a 3-way skill, which is like the rarest position to fill well in the league right now. So as a 23 year old, he will likely be one player we probably cannot afford cheaply.

Other than that if we give them something like 4 years/6 mil total deals, with team options on the 4th year, those should be contracts that we can afford to cut/waive or just trade away with 2nd round picks if these guys drop off. Giving them longer deals also helps them have continuity with a team and they'd likely develop without that uncertainty hanging over their heads every summer and even if 2/5 guys work out, that's a gamble well worth taking imo.
:king: + :angry: = :wizard:
User avatar
DEEP3CL
RealGM
Posts: 27,899
And1: 3,207
Joined: Jul 23, 2005
Location: LOS ANGELES,CA.
     

Re: Tying up role players to cheap long term contracts 

Post#27 » by DEEP3CL » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:41 pm

TyCobb wrote:These dudes get hurt too much.
Hell Ty our whole squad got hurt too much, but this all has to do the the strength and conditioning. I'm telling you now that dude who Metta nicknamed "Grass Fed Tim", has a lot to do with this.

Me and some guys at the gym was talking about this in detail. All I'm gonna say is this........when Chip Shafer and Jim Cota was on staff we didn't have all these injuries. Go back and look at the injuries the guys are getting.

All are muscle/joint related. And the team was getting food bought at Whole Foods for their in flight meals. I know it's healthy and all but NBA players need to take down an insane amount of calories. I don't think eating from Whole Foods can supply that.
VETERAN LAKERS FAN

SmartWentCrazy wrote:It's extremely unlikely that they end up in the top 3.They're probably better off trying to win and giving Philly the 8th pick than tanking and giving them the 4th.
TyCobb
Forum Mod - Lakers
Forum Mod - Lakers
Posts: 38,252
And1: 9,956
Joined: Apr 17, 2005
Location: Pitcher's Mound
     

Re: Tying up role players to cheap long term contracts 

Post#28 » by TyCobb » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:39 pm

So like they're eating for agility and not strength? Is that what you're saying? If so, I agree. You will never catch me leaving that meat and potatoes life!
Read more, learn more, change your posts.
User avatar
aaron_gray
Analyst
Posts: 3,665
And1: 979
Joined: Nov 24, 2013

Re: Tying up role players to cheap long term contracts 

Post#29 » by aaron_gray » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:04 am

They're getting injured because MDA is running them into the ground.
TyCobb wrote:Embiid at peak value after reaching a new maturity level.
User avatar
crazyeights
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 8,923
And1: 2,231
Joined: Dec 27, 2005
 

Re: Tying up role players to cheap long term contracts 

Post#30 » by crazyeights » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:21 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:I don't think eating from Whole Foods can supply that.


Deep, you realize that Whole Foods sells essentially the same things as any grocery store? Unless you're saying that NBA players need trans fats to stay healthy :lol:
KingLakers
Analyst
Posts: 3,314
And1: 6
Joined: Aug 01, 2002
Location: Los Angeles

Re: Tying up role players to cheap long term contracts 

Post#31 » by KingLakers » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:50 pm

Bazemore and Kelly are restricted so they will likely accept their qualifying offers. The Lakers will have to make a decision between Meeks and Young. Farmar, Henry and wes I think will be back on small deals. Pau and Hill decision depends on who the coach is I think Pau can still come back with MDA as coach because the Lakers will still offer him more per yr than any team and I don't see many of the contenders needing Pau. Hill totally depends on the coach I think coaches like Karl and Scott value Hill more than MDA. Brooks and Kaman are gone. And obviously Kobe, Nash, Sacre, and Marshall all have contracts or their contracts just need to be guaranteed. Little side notes depending on what position Kobe Plays when he gets back people have been saying they may make him the full time starter at SF if Kobe still starts at SG i think Henry is gone if he's the SF than Henry will be back.
GO LAKERS
AdonisDeMarion
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,329
And1: 122
Joined: Jun 22, 2012

Re: Tying up role players to cheap long term contracts 

Post#32 » by AdonisDeMarion » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:07 pm

KingLakers wrote:Bazemore and Kelly are restricted so they will likely accept their qualifying offers. The Lakers will have to make a decision between Meeks and Young. Farmar, Henry and wes I think will be back on small deals. Pau and Hill decision depends on who the coach is I think Pau can still come back with MDA as coach because the Lakers will still offer him more per yr than any team and I don't see many of the contenders needing Pau. Hill totally depends on the coach I think coaches like Karl and Scott value Hill more than MDA. Brooks and Kaman are gone. And obviously Kobe, Nash, Sacre, and Marshall all have contracts or their contracts just need to be guaranteed. Little side notes depending on what position Kobe Plays when he gets back people have been saying they may make him the full time starter at SF if Kobe still starts at SG i think Henry is gone if he's the SF than Henry will be back.


Can't Henry play the 3 too?

Return to Los Angeles Lakers