2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[42uptop]

1.Get a clue. When I'm talking about making adjustments, I'm talking about on offense. Did you watch the game? Their offense was horrid against thay zone. Its like they never played against a 1-3-1 zone ever. Any adjustment Self made was 30+ minutes too late. Everybody that played the game on the CBS postgame said so after I was on here saying it. I'll take their opinion over yours. That's just the way it goes.

2. I want what's best for Philly, but for some reason you're taking pot shots against Wiggins for some reason. "Golden boy"? Really? Lame bro. And what jumpers are you talking about Wiggins missing? Kid took 6 shots the whole game and at least 2 were in the paint. 6 shots. He took like 3 jumpers the whole game. Any criticism shouldn't be about the 3 missed jumpers the whole game, but why he was so passive and only took 6 shots.

This may come as a shock to you, but we aren't mind readers. You have to tell us what specifically you're talking about. Saying "Bill Self lost them the game" and "Bill Self didn't make adjustments" are both stupid, simplistic statements. Basketball is played at both ends of the floor and Self's defensive adjustments nearly won Kansas the game despite horrific play from the guards. Nice appeal to authority.

And the reason Wiggins only took 6 shots was because he couldn't attack the zone. It's a combination of inconsistent shooting and a bad handle.

[FreesFro]

1.Get a clue. When I'm talking about making adjustments, I'm talking about on offense. Did you watch the game? Their offense was horrid against thay zone. Its like they never played against a 1-3-1 zone ever. Any adjustment Self made was 30+ minutes too late. Everybody that played the game on the CBS postgame said so after I was on here saying it. I'll take their opinion over yours. That's just the way it goes.

2. I want what's best for Philly, but for some reason you're taking pot shots against Wiggins for some reason. "Golden boy"? Really? Lame bro. And what jumpers are you talking about Wiggins missing? Kid took 6 shots the whole game and at least 2 were in the paint. 6 shots. He took like 3 jumpers the whole game. Any criticism shouldn't be about the 3 missed jumpers the whole game, but why he was so passive and only took 6 shots.

This may come as a shock to you, but we aren't mind readers. You have to tell us what specifically you're talking about. Saying "Bill Self lost them the game" and "Bill Self didn't make adjustments" are both stupid, simplistic statements. Basketball is played at both ends of the floor and Self's defensive adjustments nearly won Kansas the game despite horrific play from the guards. Nice appeal to authority.

And the reason Wiggins only took 6 shots was because he couldn't attack the zone. It's a combination of inconsistent shooting and a bad handle.

Awesome, a Bill Self apologist and an Andrew Wiggins hater all rolled into one.

What did you think when I said more than once that Kansas looked like they never saw a 1-3-1 zone before and it took Self 30+ minutes to minimally solve it? Admit it, that was awful, like they never expected it. Get a big man at the foul line, take a look at the soft spot of thay zone the baseline. Where were the adjustments. Finally in the last 10 minutes that got the ball at the foul line in the zone, but it was too late. Self blew it.

[MRxBLACK]

Vonleh will declare for draft, per WT.

[Skates]

Vonleh will declare for draft, per WT.

He is one of my favorite players in this year's draft crop. If we ended up with the fifth pick, or fourth is some guys like Parker or Embiid don't declare, Vonleh would be my pick over Randle. It's close, but I'll go with the guy with better size, better D and the better outside game, even though I like Randle as well.

A trade up to get him from the Pelican's pick if he is still there at 7 or 8 would be epic.

[MRxBLACK]

I agree skates, Vonleh also has more than double the blocks and steals percentages and near identical rebounding numbers as Randle.

[OleSchool]

Vonleh will declare for draft, per WT.

He is one of my favorite players in this year's draft crop. If we ended up with the fifth pick, or fourth is some guys like Parker or Embiid don't declare, Vonleh would be my pick over Randle. It's close, but I'll go with the guy with better size, better D and the better outside game, even though I like Randle as well.

A trade up to get him from the Pelican's pick if he is still there at 7 or 8 would be epic.

Agree 100%. I think Vonleh could be the perfect fit next to Noel, plus he might still grow another inch and might be able to play some spot C for us if Noel gets in foul trouble.

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I am in the minority but I would take Vonleh over Parker. Actually, thinking about it I would take Embiid, Wiggins, Vonleh before Parker. Don't know where I would rank Exum cause Ive never seen him play.

[ankle420breaker]

I haven't seen enough of Vonleh to know whether or not I'd pick him over Randle, but I'm pretty damn high on Randle.

He's a Bully ball guy who can defend, rebound, put the ball on the floor, pass out of the double-team, guard smaller players on the perimeter, and score from just about anywhere.

I can see Randle fitting in nicely next to Noel, but then again Vonleh's skill-set also seems to compliment Noel's.

[SJSF]

Randle has a presence also on the court that some players don't have. He is a man that demands respect.

[SJSF]

Nah they should go pro and learn how to play while getting paid millions of dollars.

And in the meantime the NBA suffers along with the fans . And the bad franchises that need immediate help then have to hope and wait to see that the 20m they are investing into their pick might actually help them. Picks today are crap shoots anymore. One and dones are not what the NBA should be about, along with college.

SJSF what is your solution to the problem as it relates from the college players point of view. If someone is offering you millions of dollars to come and play in their league (NBA) even if your skills are raw right now and the millions are guaranteed. What incentive are you going to give these kids to stay in school where they could potentially get injured and lose out on everything? How do you convince these kids to stay in school and make CBS, NIKE and the NCAA richer while they, the kids, can't cash in on any of the money that these companies, coaches and schools are making. If you had a son that had the ability to go pro would you tell him no?

Better yet if you had a child that was an amazing scholar and right out of high school some law firm came up to them and said we want you to come to our law firm Learn from the ground up you can go to law school at night, but we feel you have such great potential we don't want to lose you. Starting salary right out of high school $500,000 would you tell your son/daughter don't do it especially when they want to do it?

As a side note I am not picking a fight just asking for your opinion.

As a kid, yes grab the money. But as a fan of the NBA or a team owner/coach. They should not allow children who aren't ready to play a professional sport until they are ready. These kids aren't ready to play. Their games are pretty bad. Wiggins is no where near as good as the greats back 15 years ago that we're coming out. When teams and scouts are saying the top 3 are Parker, wiggins and Embiid. That should tell you something. If they had to stay in school until your 21. They wouldn't be devaluing the NBA like they do.

[Skates]

I think that workouts will help to separate Vonleh and Randle as I don't believe either player was utilized to the full extent of their potential. Vonleh was not the focal point of his team's offense by any stretch, but looks like one of those guys who might blossom offensively in a year or two. Randle was the center point of Kentucky's offense a lot of the year, but in a limited, bully ball fashion. He shows signs of being able to put the ball on the floor, pass and defend stretch fours on the perimeter, which he didn't do a ton of during the season since he was so overpowering in other ways. I think they both will impress in workouts and it may become a system fit kind of choice.

Parker v. Exum v. Wiggins, that is truly a tough one. I will be truthful that from the five or six games I have seen this year, Wiggins does scare me a bit as to whether and how long it will take him to blossom offensively. Fabulous athleticism, might be better in the NBA than college, but definitely has a passive streak that the great ones never seem to have. Parker, who does he guard? Exum, who the heck knows.

Embiid it is all about health.

[sixers23]

And in the meantime the NBA suffers along with the fans . And the bad franchises that need immediate help then have to hope and wait to see that the 20m they are investing into their pick might actually help them. Picks today are crap shoots anymore. One and dones are not what the NBA should be about, along with college.

SJSF what is your solution to the problem as it relates from the college players point of view. If someone is offering you millions of dollars to come and play in their league (NBA) even if your skills are raw right now and the millions are guaranteed. What incentive are you going to give these kids to stay in school where they could potentially get injured and lose out on everything? How do you convince these kids to stay in school and make CBS, NIKE and the NCAA richer while they, the kids, can't cash in on any of the money that these companies, coaches and schools are making. If you had a son that had the ability to go pro would you tell him no?

Better yet if you had a child that was an amazing scholar and right out of high school some law firm came up to them and said we want you to come to our law firm Learn from the ground up you can go to law school at night, but we feel you have such great potential we don't want to lose you. Starting salary right out of high school $500,000 would you tell your son/daughter don't do it especially when they want to do it?

As a side note I am not picking a fight just asking for your opinion.

As a kid, yes grab the money. But as a fan of the NBA or a team owner/coach. They should not allow children who aren't ready to play a professional sport until they are ready. These kids aren't ready to play. Their games are pretty bad. Wiggins is no where near as good as the greats back 15 years ago that we're coming out. When teams and scouts are saying the top 3 are Parker, wiggins and Embiid. That should tell you something. If they had to stay in school until your 21. They wouldn't be devaluing the NBA like they do.

how does that makes sense tho? wiggins would come in and be better than 70-80 percent of the nba his rookie season. he should stay in school until hes better than 95 percent? he wont even develop in that system they run at Kansas either

[agiaco]

70-80% sounds very lofty

[sixers23]

70-80% sounds very lofty

I don't think so that would put him in top 100-125 range. U really think he isn't as good as mcw?

[SJSF]

SJSF what is your solution to the problem as it relates from the college players point of view. If someone is offering you millions of dollars to come and play in their league (NBA) even if your skills are raw right now and the millions are guaranteed. What incentive are you going to give these kids to stay in school where they could potentially get injured and lose out on everything? How do you convince these kids to stay in school and make CBS, NIKE and the NCAA richer while they, the kids, can't cash in on any of the money that these companies, coaches and schools are making. If you had a son that had the ability to go pro would you tell him no?

Better yet if you had a child that was an amazing scholar and right out of high school some law firm came up to them and said we want you to come to our law firm Learn from the ground up you can go to law school at night, but we feel you have such great potential we don't want to lose you. Starting salary right out of high school $500,000 would you tell your son/daughter don't do it especially when they want to do it?

As a side note I am not picking a fight just asking for your opinion.

As a kid, yes grab the money. But as a fan of the NBA or a team owner/coach. They should not allow children who aren't ready to play a professional sport until they are ready. These kids aren't ready to play. Their games are pretty bad. Wiggins is no where near as good as the greats back 15 years ago that we're coming out. When teams and scouts are saying the top 3 are Parker, wiggins and Embiid. That should tell you something. If they had to stay in school until your 21. They wouldn't be devaluing the NBA like they do.

how does that makes sense tho? wiggins would come in and be better than 70-80 percent of the nba his rookie season. he should stay in school until hes better than 95 percent? he wont even develop in that system they run at Kansas either

Wiggins has a lot of hype but no way will he be better then 70-80 percent of the NBA players or players at his position. Pros are pros and kids are kids.

[sixers23]

lol ok when he averages 14-16 a game next year ill remember you said that

[kingofthecourt67]

Became a big fan of Nik Stauskas during this tournament. Stauskas in particular really impressed me because he showed way more than his elite 3 point shooting with 8 assists last game and some nice athleticism on a dunk attempt that he blew. His stock is a bit in flux I'd imagine during the tournament but last I checked he was mid-first round. I'll definitely be keeping an eye out on him.

Cleanthony Early was also another impressive player. If we could sneak into the late first round to get him, I'd be thrilled.

[Sixerscan]

And in the meantime the NBA suffers along with the fans . And the bad franchises that need immediate help then have to hope and wait to see that the 20m they are investing into their pick might actually help them. Picks today are crap shoots anymore. One and dones are not what the NBA should be about, along with college.

SJSF what is your solution to the problem as it relates from the college players point of view. If someone is offering you millions of dollars to come and play in their league (NBA) even if your skills are raw right now and the millions are guaranteed. What incentive are you going to give these kids to stay in school where they could potentially get injured and lose out on everything? How do you convince these kids to stay in school and make CBS, NIKE and the NCAA richer while they, the kids, can't cash in on any of the money that these companies, coaches and schools are making. If you had a son that had the ability to go pro would you tell him no?

Better yet if you had a child that was an amazing scholar and right out of high school some law firm came up to them and said we want you to come to our law firm Learn from the ground up you can go to law school at night, but we feel you have such great potential we don't want to lose you. Starting salary right out of high school $500,000 would you tell your son/daughter don't do it especially when they want to do it?

As a side note I am not picking a fight just asking for your opinion.

As a kid, yes grab the money. But as a fan of the NBA or a team owner/coach. They should not allow children who aren't ready to play a professional sport until they are ready. These kids aren't ready to play. Their games are pretty bad. Wiggins is no where near as good as the greats back 15 years ago that we're coming out. When teams and scouts are saying the top 3 are Parker, wiggins and Embiid. That should tell you something. If they had to stay in school until your 21. They wouldn't be devaluing the NBA like they do.

This is at least open for debate. You aren't drafting a guy for one season, you are drafting him for hopefully 10 plus. And I think it's especially questionable whether colleges develop players better than the pros. I think MCW has improved a lot more in the last 12 months than Marcus Smart for example.

And FWIW, people weren't staying in school 4 years 15 years ago. Darius Miles and Jonathon Bender were 15 years ago.

[PhilasFinest]

Became a big fan of Nik Stauskas during this tournament. Stauskas in particular really impressed me because he showed way more than his elite 3 point shooting with 8 assists last game and some nice athleticism on a dunk attempt that he blew. His stock is a bit in flux I'd imagine during the tournament but last I checked he was mid-first round. I'll definitely be keeping an eye out on him.

Cleanthony Early was also another impressive player. If we could sneak into the late first round to get him, I'd be thrilled.

Stauskas is someone to keep an eye on. He's a talented wing who could be a Klay Thompson like player, which I'd welcome with open arms.

[SJSF]

Your right they stopped staying in school for over 20 years and Jonathon Bender and Darius Miles should have stayed in school. But these kids can learn more then just basketball in college. But that's a different story. The NBA was a lot better 20 years ago then today.

[Sixerscan]

Humbly disagree. I think the NBA started doing early entry before it started really committing to player development. Which was an issue through the mid 90s and early 00s, but at this point I think the league as whole is doing a phenomenal job.