Bradley Beal - Part II

verbal8 · Post #621 » by **verbal8** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:04 pm

The most obvious thing is that 14% at the rim is too low. Beal does reasonable well producing near the rim.

The other thing that is made even more obvious is the 16ft yo < 3pt is way too high. Probably he needs to either dribble back if the 3 is open or pass up the shot all together. If Rip Hamilton in his prime can't make that shot productive, I doubt many players can.

Post #622 » by **nate33** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:54 pm

Beal has now played 14 consecutive games with a FG% below .500. That's the 3rd longest streak in the league this year (of players with 10 or attempts per game) and the longest active streak. (Although to be fair, in 4 of those games, his eFG% barely cracked .500 due to the number of 3's he made.)

Upper Decker · Post #623 » by **Upper Decker** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:58 pm

Swaggy P >> Beal

How soon until Beal says no stats in the locker room ala Rudy Gay?

jivelikenice · Post #624 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:09 pm

nate33 wrote:Beal has now played 14 consecutive games with a FG% below .500. That's the 3rd longest streak in the league this year (of players with 10 or attempts per game) and the longest active streak. (Although to be fair, in 4 of those games, his eFG% barely cracked .500 due to the number of 3's he made.)

When was the last time he actually had a good game? More concerning is does he even realize how poor he's played or is he under a false illusion that he's been playing well. You can't tell because you rarely hear him critique his own game and the coaches give him a free pass.

TGW · Post #625 » by **TGW** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:22 pm

I'd trade him for a young big man and call up Glen Rice Jr.

Nivek · Post #626 » by **Nivek** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:23 pm

jivelikenice wrote:
nate33 wrote:Beal has now played 14 consecutive games with a FG% below .500. That's the 3rd longest streak in the league this year (of players with 10 or attempts per game) and the longest active streak. (Although to be fair, in 4 of those games, his eFG% barely cracked .500 due to the number of 3's he made.)

When was the last time he actually had a good game? More concerning is does he even realize how poor he's played or is he under a false illusion that he's been playing well. You can't tell because you rarely hear him critique his own game and the coaches give him a free pass.

Define good. Average or better? Above replacement level?

jivelikenice · Post #627 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:28 pm

^A better than average game. Maybe a better question is how many times has he played better than average this season? I can't imagine it being a double digit total.

tontoz · Post #628 » by **tontoz** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:45 pm

They should call up Rice and play Beal fewer minutes. At times Beal just looks disinterested. At least Rice looks like he wants to be out there. Let Beal face some competition for minutes.

Nivek · Post #629 » by **Nivek** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:49 pm

jivelikenice wrote:^A better than average game. Maybe a better question is how many times has he played better than average this season? I can't imagine it being a double digit total.

I'll use my stat, PPA, for this. His PPA for the season is 88 vs. a league average of 100. In PPA, replacement level is 45. So, below average, but not terrible.

His last above average game was...March 23 against Denver -- 21 pts, 7 boards, 4 assists and a couple steals. His efg for the game was above 50% because of his 3-5 shooting from 3pt range.

The last above average game before that was March 21 against the Lakers, but only barely.

For the season, he's been average or better 31 times, which is exactly 50% (he's played in 62 games).

His performance swing is pretty wide, though. When he's been bad, he's typically been awful. Of those 31 below average or worse games, he's been below replacement level in 24. So, three in four of his bad games have been just awful. On the other hand, 18 of his 31 "above average" games have been basically All-Star level (150 or better).

jivelikenice · Post #630 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:42 pm

tontoz wrote:They should call up Rice and play Beal fewer minutes. At times Beal just looks disinterested. At least Rice looks like he wants to be out there. Let Beal face some competition for minutes.

Agreed. You'd think the Wizards by now would have learned not to just hand young 2 guards an abundance of minutes and shots. Apparantly they learned nothing from their experience with Nick Young and Jordan Crawford.

Capital Offense · Post #631 » by **Capital Offense** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:06 pm

Every time I see him miss a long two, I can't help think, "This could have been Harden." We could have won 50 games this year, but alas, the Oompa Loompa stuck again.

Upper Decker · Post #632 » by **Upper Decker** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:03 pm

Capital Offense wrote:Every time I see him miss a long two, I can't help think, "This could have been Harden." We could have won 50 games this year, but alas, the Oompa Loompa stuck again.

This team with Harden and Wall could win the East. Why is Phoenix so successful? Dragic and Bledsoe can both handle the ball and attack the rim at will. Harden and Wall is a better version of Dragic and Bledsoe. They'd be unstoppable to contain and open up so much for everyone else.

dangermouse · Post #633 » by **dangermouse** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:13 am

Remember how disappointed we were with Wall in his second year after he showed flashes in his early rookie days? It wasnt until his third that he really impressed us and showed us what he could become.

If Beal is to follow the same development track we have another season to wait.

hands11 · Post #634 » by **hands11** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:12 am

nate33 wrote:Man, Beal shoots a TON of long 2's. Rip Hamilton was the master of the long 2 and yet he still shot far fewer than Beal.

Making the Long 2 is tough
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/inde ... 726AAFvKL0

hands11 · Post #635 » by **hands11** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:34 am

Nivek wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:^A better than average game. Maybe a better question is how many times has he played better than average this season? I can't imagine it being a double digit total.

I'll use my stat, PPA, for this. His PPA for the season is 88 vs. a league average of 100. In PPA, replacement level is 45. So, below average, but not terrible.

His last above average game was...March 23 against Denver -- 21 pts, 7 boards, 4 assists and a couple steals. His efg for the game was above 50% because of his 3-5 shooting from 3pt range.

The last above average game before that was March 21 against the Lakers, but only barely.

For the season, he's been average or better 31 times, which is exactly 50% (he's played in 62 games).

His performance swing is pretty wide, though. When he's been bad, he's typically been awful. Of those 31 below average or worse games, he's been below replacement level. So, three in four of his bad games have been just awful. On the other hand, 18 of his 31 "above average" games have been basically All-Star level (150 or better).

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.ht ... rID=203078

Just take in that chart for a moment. How in the world does a HC allow this to happen ?

112 shots from just inside the 3 line right center. 34.8%
77 attempt from a few steps back behind the 3 line 38.96%
87 attempts from left top of key 3 range at 44.83%

On the left ?
70 shots each in the two zone to the left. That were you always see him drifting after he jumps. I hate when he shoots from there. It hardly ever goes in. 34% and 34% in those two zones and even worst when he gets to the next zone closer to the basket on the left. Then it drops to 20% on 58 attempts.

On the right ?
But the opposite zone on the right.. Jumps to 51.85% from the right side. How many attempts ?

Spoiler:

How does that make any sense ? 58 attempts from the place you are shooting 20% and half that many from the opposite side where you shoot 51.85%

With the right coach running the right offense/plays and Beal would be awesome.

21 year old 3 year pro Beal under a good coach is what I'm looking forward to seeing.

deneem4 · Post #636 » by **deneem4** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:37 am

Shouldve gotten harden...

hands11 · Post #637 » by **hands11** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:01 pm

deneem4 wrote:Shouldve gotten harden...

At this point, it seems pretty clear Beal's game and Hardens game are different and will likely remain that way as Beal develops. But its still not clear to me what Beal's game will end up being after only two years. Specially when those two year have been under Randy's "offense".

Harden is much more of a Gil style player and with 5 years under his belt, and him being transferred to a 2nd team as a lead dog ball handler/scorer, we know who he is. What his game is about is already clearly defined. He has good handles. He works angles. Gets players off balance. He is not overly athletic but makes the most of the athleticism he has. He gets fouled a lot and making FTs is a big part of his game. Having him with Wall to me would be interesting for sure. It would be like having a left handed Gil and Wall together. Only Harden is 6-5 and a true SG so its even better then what Wall and Gil would have been.

Beal is still in more of a Ray Allen mold. He is a great spot up shooter from the top of the key. He could also be that from the corners and eventually mid range off the move. He also has shown some nice athleticism and grit on some chase down blocks at the rim ala John Wall. But Beal is not good off the dribble right now. Actually he is pretty bad. He is very inefficient if he shots without his feet set and balanced. He is bad going to his left. He is either going to put in a ton of work to get better at this over the summer and/or he needs a coach that will run an offense that gets him the open looks that he is very efficient at making.

Beal at 20 after two years is not clearly defined yet. Comparing him on the Wizards at year two while being coached by Randy and running in Randy's offense isn't really a fair comparison to Harden as a back up on OKC or a starter on HOU.

Would adding Harden have helped this team offensively? Sure. We know what he is and he is really good.

Could Beal work out over the next two years and become really a good player ? Yeah. Beal is still a work in progress and he only cost $4,505,280 next year. Harden will be a 6th year player making $14,693,906 next year.

The players are at different stages of development and the same is true of the franchises. Houston is where the Wizards would hope to be in 2016.

Two year ago, Houston's record was

Spoiler:

TGW · Post #638 » by **TGW** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:07 pm

hands11 wrote:
nate33 wrote:Man, Beal shoots a TON of long 2's. Rip Hamilton was the master of the long 2 and yet he still shot far fewer than Beal.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/inde ... 726AAFvKL0

blazinskillz · Post #639 » by **blazinskillz** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:58 pm

Beal is only 20. I know you guys think he's supposed to get it but time will help with that.

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dlts20 · Post #640 » by **dlts20** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:27 pm

I agree with blazin. I still think he will be great and we will look back and say that we wanted too much from a 20yo. He will get alot smarter, stronger, and take better shots that will consistently fall.

With that being said, I hated that article I read in the post today. He's playing like crap, he seems to always make excuses about the D trying so hard to take him away. However, whats worst is that Witt doesnt hold him accountable at all. The dimwitt actually says that he's taking the shots that we want him to take. Beal goes on to say that you gotta just keep shooting. Everyone around him keeps telling him to take those shots because its probably the best shots we will get. How awful is this team? Why would you say things like that? He takes horribly ineffecient shots and is an inch away from being a chucker.