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Post#41 » by TonyMontana » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:25 pm

TyCobb wrote:You knew what you were getting when you offered Kobe the extension.

Pleasing Kobe, season ticket sales and TWN! Nothing more than that for the next two years!
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aaron_gray wrote:Easy, R Kelly averages 20/8 and pisses on everybody, Sacre 15/5/2, Baze 20/6 assists/2 steals, Wiggins 18 and Kobe 20/7. Championship here we come.


And the guys R. Kelly guards average 30/18 and **** on him; the guys Sacre guards average 30/10/4; the guys Bazemore guards average 40/12/4; and Kobe forgets he is supposed to play defense, so Wiggins (or whoever we draft) ends up guarding two players at once, fails miserably every night, but Lakers "fans" will say Kobe doesn't have enough talent around him.
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Post#43 » by LLcoleJ » Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:41 am

You guys all realize that meetings such as this are not changed, altered or validated after the fact in the press, right?
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Re: Kobe speaks with Jim Buss 

Post#44 » by Run-MKE 311 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:50 pm

Quite frankly I think Kobe realizes that he is stuck...and the franchise for that matter is seeing the same reality, with a compressed amount of cap space.

As much as it will pain us fans to watch Kobe spend his last few seasons drowning in mediocrity, that is the way it appears the future is unfolding. Melo does not bring a title with him, no chance of landing of LBJ...what is the answer then??? Not to mention that this is not Kobe from circa 07'-08'...you cannot just surround him with an alright team and expect him to do the heavy lifting anymore.

Kobe received a great offer and took it...quite frankly he has earned it. No question that it twists the arm of the organization and forces the Lakers to scramble over at least the next few seasons. I am open to observing what they can get done this summer...but unless Kobe wants to play (in a limited role) until he is 40, there is no chance they will be title contenders anytime soon.
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Post#45 » by TonyMontana » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:20 pm

This is why Manning exemplifies a great player both on and off the field/court. Even though Im a fan of Kobes game I have never had fan of Kobe!

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/20 ... ons-salary

In this era of supersize contracts and supersize egos, rare is it the case that a player refuses to accept more money than he thinks he's worth.

As if Peyton Manning hasn't already carved out his place as one of the classiest pros around, a new story regarding his salary negotiations should reinforce his stellar reputation.

Manning's agent, Tom Condon, relayed to Andrew Brandt of MMQB a fascinating and revealing tale about Manning's free agency two years ago.

Manning, you'll remember, had missed the 2011 season after undergoing career-threatening neck surgery. Even he wasn't sure how his body would respond on the gridiron. Still, the four-time NFL MVP had plenty of suitors, and after selecting Denver he was in for a mega-deal. Condon thought Manning could command $25 million a year, making him one of the highest paid athletes in the world. Manning, however, had other plans.


He asked Condon how much Tom Brady made, and when Condon told him the Patriots' signal-caller banked $18 million a year, Manning said that would suffice.

“I don’t want to make a penny more than that," Manning said.

The Broncos offered $19.4 million, and when Condon told Manning the quarterback wasn't too happy.

“I told you I didn’t want to make more than Brady!” Manning chirped.

Condon apologized and asked to speak with Manning's wife, who ultimately coaxed him into accepting the deal.

Even though it was a reduction in salary from his deal with the Colts, in which Manning made $26.4 million in his first year, Manning didn't want to burden the Broncos with a huge deal. He wasn't sure how his neck would fare, so he was completely open with the team.

“They’ve got to be protected,” Manning told The Denver Post in March 2012. “That's why the whole medical -- I was as open book as I could be. I told them exactly how I feel, what I was working on. They have to know everything to make their decision."

As it turns out, the deal has worked out pretty well for both sides. Manning has racked up 26 wins in his first two seasons with the Broncos, taking Denver to the Super Bowl in 2014. He was named NFL MVP in 2013 season after setting the single-season record for most touchdown passes with 55. (Brady had set the mark of 50 in 2007.)


My respect for Manning went up a thousand bars!! But $%^& Denver Broncos.
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Re: Kobe speaks with Jim Buss 

Post#47 » by TonyMontana » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:31 pm

Hey mang ^^^ Im not even going to quote you on your post to give you a chance to delete it. :noway:

Check the dates on the articles!!

Your link states the article was written on March 16th 2012.
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 16, 2012,

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -contract/

Mine is by yahoo and it was from yesterday and you can check his salary yourself that he signed on MARCH 20th 2012

Article states he was seeking 61.8 mil for his 13-14 yet he signed for 18 last season and 15 in 2014. More than than half of what this idiot writer is assuming. lol

https://www.google.com/#q=peyton+mannings+salary :banghead:

Maybe next time mang!! For now you can delete your post. :wink: Like I said class act to follow!!
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Post#48 » by GeorgeDillion » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:15 pm

The article you posted is two years after the fact that the team lost the Superbowl in embarrassing fashion with the Broncos being cap strapped and Manning's contract being a huge reason that they can't improve. But yet he's being noble?

So even if that is the case, I'm to believe Manning's "Agent" that he's such a swell guy that he wanted to make just a little bit less than the best QB in the league, while he himself was coming off major career threatening injury?

What a great guy he took a whole $1.4 Million less than what the Broncos offered per season, everyone should follow this example.

Great man indeed.
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Post#49 » by TonyMontana » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:11 pm

GeorgeDillion wrote:The article you posted is two years after the fact that the team lost the Superbowl in embarrassing fashion with the Broncos being cap strapped and Manning's contract being a huge reason that they can't improve. But yet he's being noble?

So even if that is the case, I'm to believe Manning's "Agent" that he's such a swell guy that he wanted to make just a little bit less than the best QB in the league, while he himself was coming off major career threatening injury?

What a great guy he took a whole $1.4 Million less than what the Broncos offered per season, everyone should follow this example.

Great man indeed.


See this is where guys like you simply cant admit your mistake and keep your ego at check specially when I gave you a chance to delete your post and move on to the next post. Yet you didn't read my post and you obviously didn't research your first post or check the date and NOW you come back with this garbage!! How sad.

For starters Mannings 2013 records that he broke, and this is guy who was coming off of a major career threating injury.

Most Offensive Points in a Season - BROKEN

Record held by: New England Patriots 589 (2007)
Denver Broncos have 596

Where Denver stands: 596

Passing Yards Gained - BROKEN

Record held by: Drew Brees 5,476 (2011)
Peyton Manning has 5,211 prior to the game against the Oakland Raiders.

Where Manning stands: 5,477. The record has been broken!

Most Touchdown Passes - BROKEN

Record held by: Tom Brady 50 (2007)
Peyton Manning has 54

Where Manning stands: 55 touchdowns

Most Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes - BROKEN

Record held by: Dan Marino 6 (1984), Peyton Manning 6 (2004)
Peyton Manning has 8

Where Manning stands: this record has been broken

Most 400-Yard Passing Games
Record held by: Dan Marino 4 (1984)
Peyton Manning has 4

Where Manning stands: needs 134 yards

Most 300-Yard Passing Games
Record held by: Drew Brees 13 (2011)
Peyton Manning has 12

Where Manning stands: needs 34 yards.

Most Points Per Game (Minimum 10 Games)
Record held by: Los Angeles Rams 38.83 (466 points) (1950)
Denver Broncos average 38.1

Where Denver stands: Broncos need 26 points

The Broncos have 283 passing first downs this season so far (live), passing the record of 280, set by the Saints in 2011.

In one night, Manning tied the record for most career four TD games (23), tied the record for most career five TD games (7), set the record for most career six TD games (3) and tied the record for most career seven TD games (1).

Peyton Manning Only QB ever with 50+ TD and 5000+ passing yards in the same season and he won S.I sportsman of the year award.

AND HE WON 2013 MVP!!!! :lol:

So to sum up your idiotic post when you could have moved on the guy takes less than 1.4 million of what the Bronocs offered him (which he could've gotten A LOT MORE) yet he settles for 1.4 less IN 2013 and again YOU DIDNT READ that he agreed to 15 million for 2014!! So that's 4.4 Million less for the second year. Which Denver was going to give him 19.4 A YEAR. :lol:

And your only lame comeback is he failed in Superbowl which according to every NFL analyst/legend/historian Seahawks defense was the best in NFL history.

And your salary cap B.S. Broncos are still under the cap. 5.9 million dollars of it for 2014. Guess where 4.4 million of it came from?? Payton Manning willing to take 15 million instead of the 19.4 they offered him. :wink:

You should have just deleted your post instead of making yourself look more foolish.
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Post#50 » by GeorgeDillion » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:37 pm

I can make a post about Kobe's accolades but I won't, I can also make a blatant insult but it serves no purpose. Sure Manning broke records post injury but what does it have to do with him accepting an absorbent amount of money before proving that he was fine?

So by this logic in the 2015-16 season if Kobe averages 30/7/7 he was justified in taking the contract that people complained about two years earlier?

So Manning is right for saying that he would take less money but, eventually took more money than he was willing to take anyway? If he was so adamant about it why didn't he just request for his agent to tell the Broncos he wanted to take less, instead of getting his wife involved? I'm sorry but that's nonsense if he wanted to take less he would have took less but he didn't, instead he took a 5 year $96 Million dollars paying him

2012: $18 million, fully guaranteed.

2013: $20 million, everything guaranteed unless there is a neck issue.

2014: $20 million, everything guaranteed except for neck.

2015: $19 million, not guaranteed.

2016: $19 million, not guaranteed.

So is Kobe a martyr as well for taking $9 Million less than his max next season and leaving nearly $20 Million in cap space for the team to sign a max free agent?
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Post#51 » by TonyMontana » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:45 pm

GeorgeDillion wrote: I can make a post about Kobe's accolades but I won't, I can also make a blatant insult but it serves no purpose. Sure Manning broke records post injury but what does it have to do with him accepting an absorbent amount of money before proving that he was fine?


I love how your derailing the conversation and Im not going back and forth with your nonsense.

Your posted.

The article you posted is two years after the fact that the team lost the Superbowl in embarrassing fashion

I responded with all of his achievements up to the night of the superbowl. Not only did he come back but he came back with a vengeance and proved everybody wrong. Following me so far?
And so what. The Lakers did the same thing with Kobe, the difference is what if Kobe comes back next season and his injury is worst or it ends? The difference is Manning took less and blew up and Kobe didn't and he is complaining about the management to add talent when he is sucking up 23 mil of our cap space. You cant be serious?

GeorgeDillion wrote: So by this logic in the 2015-16 season if Kobe averages 30/7/7 he was justified in taking the contract that people complained about two years earlier?


Kobe can average 40/10/10 as far as Im concerned, who give a hoot if we lose every night. Since we still cant sign a decent talent around him since we are limited in our cap space.

GeorgeDillion wrote:So Manning is right for saying that he would take less money but, eventually took more money than he was willing to take anyway? If he was so adamant about it why didn't he just request for his agent to tell the Broncos he wanted to take less, instead of getting his wife involved? I'm sorry but that's nonsense if he wanted to take less he would have took less but he didn't, instead he took a 5 year $96 Million dollars paying him

2012: $18 million, fully guaranteed.

2013: $20 million, everything guaranteed unless there is a neck issue.

2014: $20 million, everything guaranteed except for neck.

2015: $19 million, not guaranteed.

2016: $19 million, not guaranteed.

Year Base S. Bonus Misc. Cap Hit Dead


LMAOOOO! I love how you RESTRUCTURED his contract to prove your point, but here this is what HE ACTUALLY SIGNED. :lol:

2012 18,000,000
2013 15,000,000
2014 15,000,000
2015 19,000,000
2016 19,000,000


•$18 million guaranteed (2012 salary)
•2013 Injury Waiver Based on Physical
•If 2013 physical is passed, +$42 million guaranteed (2013-14 salaries)
•2013 IDENTICAL Neck Injury Voids 2014 guarantee
•2015 salary gauarantees if on the roster at the end of 2014
•2016 salary gauarantees if on the roster at the end of 2015
•2013-14 Salary Advance: $10 million/4 years

So as you can see his annual salary not only isn't the same as you posted but at the same time its not hurting Broncos Cap space like you made it out to be.




GeorgeDillion wrote:So is Kobe a martyr as well for taking $9 Million less than his max next season and leaving nearly $20 Million in cap space for the team to sign a max free agent?


BUT HE DIDNT!!! loll............ That's the point of this thread and this discussion and that's why what Manning Duncan K.G Lebron have done in the past Kobe didn't do, yet he is complaining about our F.O.
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Post#52 » by GeorgeDillion » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:09 am

You do know Manning restructured his deal last May correct? Receiving an advance of $10 Million reducing his cap number for 2 years and increasing it his final 2. While still collecting the money he was owed because he took the advance as a bonus?

The original deal is what I posted, the deal you posted is the restructure where he didn't lose anything monetarily, in the NBA you can't do contracts like that.

You also fail to realize that Kobe could have made, $32.5 Million next season but is instead making $23.5 Million his deal could have been in $64-66 Million range but its not.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_20213659/p ... 96-million

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... 12692.html

So again how is Peyton any different if he still got his money?
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Post#53 » by GeorgeDillion » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:23 am

I actually like Peyton Manning but to say he was doing the right thing doesn't really make sense.
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Post#54 » by Doormatt » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:35 am

Look, it doesn't really matter what other athletes have done, that's mostly irrelevant. Fact of the matter is Kobe is trying to have his cake and eat it too. I have no problem with Kobe making this much money as I am fine with the lakers not competing next year either. But Kobe is coming off as either really ignorant, or very petulant to even ask for the team to build a contender around him. I'm not gonna crucify Kobe for these opinions, because he has every right to speak his mind, but I'll be incredibly upset if we trade our pick for someone just to appease Kobe. Unless Durant of Lebron are coming to the lakers next year, there's no chance were serious contenders.

If Kobe wanted to have a competitive team around him, he wouldn't have accepted his current contract. It's that simple. There is no other argument. But Kobe like most athletes (or really most people in the US) are selfish and self serving. In Kobe's case maybe a little delusional since he probably thinks his on court production is worth this contract. And look, I honestly don't care about any of that as long as Kobe's words and opinions don't turn into action. So for now I'll just chalk it up to Kobe voicing his opinion, but this did nothing to help me respect Kobe nor do I think it's a good sign going forward.
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Post#55 » by TonyMontana » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:42 am

GeorgeDillion wrote:You do know Manning restructured his deal last May correct? Receiving an advance of $10 Million reducing his cap number for 2 years and increasing it his final 2. While still collecting the money he was owed because he took the advance as a bonus?

The original deal is what I posted, the deal you posted is the restructure where he didn't lose anything monetarily, in the NBA you can't do contracts like that.

You also fail to realize that Kobe could have made, $32.5 Million next season but is instead making $23.5 Million his deal could have been in $64-66 Million range but its not.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_20213659/p ... 96-million

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... 12692.html

So again how is Peyton any different if he still got his money?


Paytons contract I posted is his current deal he has with the Broncos and in fact I think you failed to realize that it was the Broncos that decided to restructured his deal and Manning still went with it. :wink:

It was the Broncos that requested the change so that they can insure themselves against having to pay him $20 million in 2014 incase he can't play because of a non-neck injury. I am aware of that. But you posted his old contract before he restructured it. But the one I posted is his new contract doesn't change Manning's pay I agree and is not a restructured deal in the traditional sense. Your actually posting Manning originally deal that he signed in 2012 included a $20 million salary for 2013 and 2014. BUT with the new deal, he gets a $10 million salary advance in exchange for his base salaries in 13-14 is now lowered to $15 mil. So that the $10 million advance will be treated like a signing bonus and prorated over four seasons. Manning's cap number reportedly gets reduced by $2.5 million in 2013 and 2014, then rises by $2.5 million in 2015 and 2016. See the difference. So that the Broncos still can sign a decent F.A with the extra cap space. So what I did post was his current contract and no matter whether or not he still gets his money he still restructured his contract to help the Broncos with their cap space and at the same time the Broncos offered him 19.4 a year.

So clearly Manning is taking less money and he is trying to help his team to avoid luxuary tax and surround him with talent needed to win another Super bowl. That was the point of my post. Why are we going around in circles?

By the way Manning could've taken 25 mil a year and Im sure after his 2013 seaon there was a lot of teams that would've payed him if Denver didn't. And you got to be kidding yourself if you think anybody in their right mind would've gave Kobe more than 20 Mil. Lakers gave him a good bye and hush money gift.
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Post#56 » by LLcoleJ » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:20 am

TonyMontana wrote:Lakers gave him a good bye and hush money gift.


Hush money? The Lakers probably like Kobe keeping this team about him and letting the future FA's know that Lakers sill want to win.

Everyone is freaking out because they ( we) don't know what the plan is. I don't see this as anything more than scripted media in the midst of the worst season in history.
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Post#57 » by TonyMontana » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:43 pm

Phil XI wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:Lakers gave him a good bye and hush money gift.


Hush money? The Lakers probably like Kobe keeping this team about him and letting the future FA's know that Lakers sill want to win.

Everyone is freaking out because they ( we) don't know what the plan is. I don't see this as anything more than scripted media in the midst of the worst season in history.


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Post#58 » by chefy » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:49 am

the lakers brand will never change period. if you want to lure free agents here next season, you do it by improving the roster. no "message sending" needed.

if kobe or the FO really wanted to send a message to future FA. he should have signed a $6 million contract so the team can afford to sign 2-3 all star free agents in the offseason, he would have been a **** legend after that!

kobe deserves the contract no doubt about it, but lets face it, that contract is only good for him period. even the "it was a business move" argument is moot. more playoff games or championship games obviously = more $$$. and how are we doing right now again business wise? lowest ticket sales since 07 and no playoff appearance!

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