Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong

[hands11]

Not insulting you. Just trying to let inform you that they are two different words.

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I don't think that was proper sentence structure there TGW .

[gtn130]

Ok there's like no chance OP isn't trolling. And in the rare case that he isn't, that would mean he's probably ~10 years old. Either way, engaging in any sort of dialog with him will be fruitless and a huge waste of time aside from potentially having a few laughs.

[montestewart]

It intrigues me, i consistently hear "Fire Ernie, Fire Wittman", yet no viable replacements are proposed?

There has been consistent talk of who would be viable replacements for both Ernie and Wittman around this forum. Whenever you have the time you should go through this forum and read some of these threads. Very interesting stuff.

No need for me to go searching threads for proposed viable replacements because as far as i'm concerned, no one needs to be replaced at the moment.

I find your perspective refreshing milellie111, like a breath of fresh air, giving everything that fresh sense of freshness. Kind of minty. I completely agree that no one needs to be replaced at the moment. If, however, the team decides, at some future time, to make a change from sweaty donkey balls to, I don't know, ANYBODY, or any other viable replacement, I would be open to the idea of change. I guess that's the adventurer in me.

[milellie111]

Again, as i have reiterated before, just beacuse i am not on the "Fire Ernie" bandwagon does not mean i am not a fan of this team. Your stance is only a sample of those in the Wizards community. I have spoken to those whose ideas are also in contrast to the majority here. This thread was not started at all to be inflammatory and my tone was neither such. Many of you have made it inflammatory because of the way you want to view it. I have actually provided sound factual evidence to support my assertions. Here's another from the respected opinion of Mike Wise:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/ernie-grunfeld-is-still-running-the-washington-wizards-and-might-not-be-going-anywhere/2014/03/06/086cf426-a577-11e3-84d4-e59b1709222c_story.html

Some snippets:

"Among the barbershop banter going around Verizon Center’s media room Wednesday night was the topic of which Washington Wizards small forward had to go in the offseason to avert a talent-and-minutes logjam: Trevor Ariza, Martell Webster or Otto Porter Jr.?

By the time arguments were made on each player’s behalf (given his age and upside, everyone agreed moving Porter after his rookie year would be downright foolish), it dawned on the half-dozen or so of us: We were talking about players who might have to leave Washington because of too much depth at their position. No one could remember such a discussion about a Wizards roster this decade.

This was when I realized Ernie Grunfeld had definitely saved his job."

"Ernie won’t talk about his future, pleading that I write about something else. Ted Leonsis won’t talk about Ernie’s future, just as he won’t talk about George McPhee’s future with the Capitals. All Monumental Sports business apparently will be handled this summer.

But while McPhee may need a Stanley Cup playoff run of at least two or more rounds to warrant an extension, the signs of Grunfeld being re-signed are growing daily.

ESPN has calculated the odds of Washington returning to the playoffs for the first time since 2008 as 100 percent (since Golden State and Portland don’t yet have that designation, it apparently does help to play in the Eastern Conference)."

"I’ll admit it: I thought Ernie was finally toast. Though I’ve consistently defended him on essentially the same grounds Leonsis has used — Grunfeld is executing the gradual rebuilding plan his employer instructed him to "

"This is a very good core group, with its two best players 20 and 23 years old, respectively. The Wizards have put themselves in position salary-cap wise to spend in free agency the next two seasons."

"As time has gone on, the bigger picture of Grunfeld’s vision is beginning to emerge."

"Here’s hoping those in the Why-Isn’t-Grunfeld-Gone? mob can lower their pitchforks and finally notice the team in front of them."


"Now that the Wall era is within weeks of its first postseason, the answer is easy: Ernie Grunfeld and his closest advisers were given just the right amount of time they needed to fix what was broke."

[Nivek]

Again, as i have reiterated before, just beacuse i am not on the "Fire Ernie" bandwagon does not mean i am not a fan of this team. Your stance is only a sample of those in the Wizards community. I have spoken to those whose ideas are also in contrast to the majority here. This thread was not started at all to be inflammatory and my tone was neither such. Many of you have made it inflammatory because of the way you want to view it. I have actually provided sound factual evidence to support my assertions.

Don't know about "sound," but you have included facts in some of your posts.

Here's another from the respected opinion of Mike Wise:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/ernie-grunfeld-is-still-running-the-washington-wizards-and-might-not-be-going-anywhere/2014/03/06/086cf426-a577-11e3-84d4-e59b1709222c_story.html

This is fun. Here's the response I wrote to Wise's column.

[pineappleheadindc]

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Yes, Kev, what you wrote was interesting. But really, you have no response to:

Ernie Grunfeld > Kev

Mike Wise > Kev

milellie111 > Kev

Grunfeld4lyfe!


Ha! Take that!

[pineappleheadindc]

P.S. I love this thread.

It's the best since any one of Ji's "Historical Snowstorm to Blanket DC" weather ones.

[montestewart]

It's all just snappy patter millieillie. Don't let it bring you down. I found the exchange I quoted amusing. I like this thread.

[dckingsfan]

Troll: a troll is someone who posts a message in the hope of attracting hostile responses, or "flames."

ummm... I think one could argue with all of the "From the tone of many, you..." that he is certainly trolling.

As long as you wanted the definition

One could also argue that sounds like a lot of posters here.

But if you keep reading. There is a lot more then that to it.

I would say from time-to-time some posters behave that way. But the vast majority of the posters on the board are genuine, debate the topics and answer the points brought up.

Whereas, one can easily argue that most of Millie's posts have been of the "you aren't a fan" type in order to attract a hostile response. Which he as done quite well!

One thing that he hasn't done through this thread is convince anyone of EG's value as a GM. He has reinforced that EG is one of the worst GMs of any timeframe that he has been part of the Wizards. He has reinforced how badly EG drafts. He has reinforced that EGs only brilliance is cleaning up his own messes and he has reinforced that EG was willing to mortgage the future to save his job.

millie has buried EG to most on this board.

[milellie111]

Again, as i have reiterated before, just beacuse i am not on the "Fire Ernie" bandwagon does not mean i am not a fan of this team. Your stance is only a sample of those in the Wizards community. I have spoken to those whose ideas are also in contrast to the majority here. This thread was not started at all to be inflammatory and my tone was neither such. Many of you have made it inflammatory because of the way you want to view it. I have actually provided sound factual evidence to support my assertions.

Don't know about "sound," but you have included facts in some of your posts.

Here's another from the respected opinion of Mike Wise:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/ernie-grunfeld-is-still-running-the-washington-wizards-and-might-not-be-going-anywhere/2014/03/06/086cf426-a577-11e3-84d4-e59b1709222c_story.html

This is fun. Here's the response I wrote to Wise's column.

A well thought out response, however i do agree with some of the comments in that it's easy to pile on all GM's. Look at the Celtics seesaw seasons with Ainge and currently.

[Nivek]

I think millie might be doing a kind of performance art where he's playing the role of an earnest Grunfeld supporter to elicit facts, evidence and arguments showing just how bad Grunfeld has been. Biggest clue so far: he used the word "respected" to describe Mike Wise's opinion.

[Nivek]

A well thought out response, however i do agree with some of the comments in that it's easy to pile on all GM's. Look at the Celtics seesaw seasons with Ainge and currently.

I don't know how easy it is to "pile on" all GMs (I haven't tried). I do know it's not difficult to demonstrate that Ernie Grunfeld has done a poor job running the Wizards.

[hands11]

Troll: a troll is someone who posts a message in the hope of attracting hostile responses, or "flames."

ummm... I think one could argue with all of the "From the tone of many, you..." that he is certainly trolling.

As long as you wanted the definition

One could also argue that sounds like a lot of posters here.

But if you keep reading. There is a lot more then that to it.

I would say from time-to-time some posters behave that way. But the vast majority of the posters on the board are genuine, debate the topics and answer the points brought up.

Whereas, one can easily argue that most of Millie's posts have been of the "you aren't a fan" type in order to attract a hostile response. Which he as done quite well!

One thing that he hasn't done through this thread is convince anyone of EG's value as a GM. He has reinforced that EG is one of the worst GMs of any timeframe that he has been part of the Wizards. He has reinforced how badly EG drafts. He has reinforced that EGs only brilliance is cleaning up his own messes and he has reinforced that EG was willing to mortgage the future to save his job.

millie has buried EG on this board.

I think you are seeing what you want to see. I don't see what you are seeing.

I think what Milli has done is remind people that there are Wizards fans out there that actually enjoy the team making progress and don't project failure at every chance they get. Fans that are looking at the good things that are happening and project more to follow vs worrying about projecting negative outcomes for the vast majority of things we don't know the answer to yet. Things that will get addressed after the season.

My personal wish is that more like Milli show up here. You don't have to share his belief but a Wizards sport forum should have room for fans that celebrate the team.

[montestewart]

I think millie might be doing a kind of performance art where he's playing the role of an earnest Grunfeld supporter to elicit facts, evidence and arguments showing just how bad Grunfeld has been. Biggest clue so far: he used the word "respected" to describe Mike Wise's opinion.

Wise is a sports dilettante, living off an annuity from the Wise Potato Chip Trust.

[milellie111]

And as for the innocent "I'm just looking for other supportive Wizards fans" post, spare us the BS.

The title of this thread is clearly combative, not supportive. Doclinkin made a much better, more entertaining, support thread than you that can found here: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1147678

Notice the difference between a good thread and a trolling thread? You came here to challenge people, clearly.

Again, I don't know why I'm bothering. You're probably not going to even click on the link. You'd rather continue to troll.

So you are either calling Doclinkin a prophet (since his thread was made in 2011) or you are supporting what I have said all along because it's 2014, there's a reason for optimism, Wall is an all star, progress and development have been made and Grunfeld is partly responsible for that seeing as how he still has a job.

The disdain you have for Grunfeld runs deep for you I see based on your profile pic, but has he really failed honestly? A young competitive team headed by an all star, up and coming promising shooting guard and looking at the playoffs is failure? Perhaps you should read up on the definition of failure because currently, it sure doesn't fit Grunfeld.

[Nivek]

So you are either calling Doclinkin a prophet (since his thread was made in 2011) or you are supporting what I have said all along because it's 2014, there's a reason for optimism, Wall is an all star, progress and development have been made and Grunfeld is partly responsible for that seeing as how he still has a job.

The disdain you have for Grunfeld runs deep for you I see based on your profile pic, but has he really failed honestly? A young competitive team headed by an all star, up and coming promising shooting guard and looking at the playoffs is failure? Perhaps you should read up on the definition of failure because currently, it sure doesn't fit Grunfeld.

You're absolutely correct. Grunfeld has been very successful. He still has a great job, he's still drawing a FAT paycheck, and he's likely to keep that job for the foreseeable future.

The Wizards, on the other hand, have been a failure much of the time he's been in charge of the team. Third worst winning percentage during his tenure, and all that.

As for "young" -- not really. Their average age is 26.2, which ranks...15th. Right in the middle. The age of their rotation to lately is older -- 28.2 years old -- with the additions of Miller and Gooden. It'll get older yet when Nenê gets back.

[milellie111]

One could also argue that sounds like a lot of posters here.

But if you keep reading. There is a lot more then that to it.

I would say from time-to-time some posters behave that way. But the vast majority of the posters on the board are genuine, debate the topics and answer the points brought up.

Whereas, one can easily argue that most of Millie's posts have been of the "you aren't a fan" type in order to attract a hostile response. Which he as done quite well!

One thing that he hasn't done through this thread is convince anyone of EG's value as a GM. He has reinforced that EG is one of the worst GMs of any timeframe that he has been part of the Wizards. He has reinforced how badly EG drafts. He has reinforced that EGs only brilliance is cleaning up his own messes and he has reinforced that EG was willing to mortgage the future to save his job.

millie has buried EG on this board.

I think you are seeing what you want to see. I don't see what you are seeing.

I think what Milli has done is remind people that there are Wizards fans out there that actually enjoy the team making progress and don't project failure at every chance they get. Fans that are looking at the good things that are happening and project more to follow vs worrying about projecting negative outcomes for the vast majority of things we don't know the answer to yet. Things that will get addressed after the season.

My personal wish is that more like Milli show up here. You don't have to share his belief but a Wizards sport forum should have room for fans that celebrate the team.

Hands, you are spot on. No one should wake up sour each day and say "what bad thing is going to happen to me today? What am i going to screw up today?" Just because that may have happened in the past. You look at the positive of what's going on Today or you will miss all of the good stuff. This team currently has good things going on that we can be proud of. Yes, there was a dark period, like all franchises, look at the Lakers now. The Clippers for many years. The Wizards have come out of that period and are beginning to gain league wide respect and make noise, yet some fans are still "stuck" complaining about the dark years. Grunfeld has lead this team out of those dark years.

[leswizards]

I think you are seeing what you want to see. I don't see what you are seeing.

I think what Milli has done is remind people that there are Wizards fans out there that actually enjoy the team making progress and don't project failure at every chance they get. Fans that are looking at the good things that are happening and project more to follow vs worrying about projecting negative outcomes for the vast majority of things we don't know the answer to yet. Things that will get addressed after the season.

My personal wish is that more like Milli show up here. You don't have to share his belief but a Wizards sport forum should have room for fans that celebrate the team.

This forum is full of fans that celebrate the team. Just because a fan wants EG fired doesn't mean he celebrates the team any less than you do when you complain about how Randy should be fired. Nor does it mean that they are projecting negative outcomes any more than you are when you insistently complain about Randy. Instead, you think the team could reach its full potential with new coaching, just as the EG haters think the Wizards have a better chance of reaching their full potential with a new GM.

[leswizards]

Grunfeld has lead this team out of those dark years.

EG has not done anything to lead this team out the dark years. The Wizards are barely out of the dark years, and they are there because they lucked into Wall and Beal.

[closg00]

I think you are seeing what you want to see. I don't see what you are seeing.

I think what Milli has done is remind people that there are Wizards fans out there that actually enjoy the team making progress and don't project failure at every chance they get. Fans that are looking at the good things that are happening and project more to follow vs worrying about projecting negative outcomes for the vast majority of things we don't know the answer to yet. Things that will get addressed after the season.

My personal wish is that more like Milli show up here. You don't have to share his belief but a Wizards sport forum should have room for fans that celebrate the team.

This forum is full of fans that celebrate the team. Just because a fan wants EG fired doesn't mean he celebrates the team any less than you do when you complain about how Randy should be fired. Nor does it mean that they are projecting negative outcomes any more than you are when you insistently complain about Randy. Instead, you think the team could reach its full potential with new coaching, just as the EG haters think the Wizards have a better chance of reaching their full potential with a new GM.

Check and Check-mate.