The Trade Thread

[jakebernat]

Pistons would have to sweeten the deal with another future 1st rounder to unload him. In that case, I would want Waiters instead of Jack.

oh god don't even say that. any trade that involves us giving up a future 1st is an immediate dealbreaker. i'm not too keen on waiters anyways. jack could serve as a stopgap PG while we replace jennings with a young floor general.

but don't you think you're undervaluing smith just a little bit? i mean, the dude HAS had success playing PF before...

[BadMofoPimp]

Pistons would have to sweeten the deal with another future 1st rounder to unload him. In that case, I would want Waiters instead of Jack.

oh god don't even say that. any trade that involves us giving up a future 1st is an immediate dealbreaker. i'm not too keen on waiters anyways. jack could serve as a stopgap PG while we replace jennings with a young floor general.

but don't you think you're undervaluing smith just a little bit? i mean, the dude HAS had success playing PF before...

You are preaching to the Choir. I know both Smith and Jennings can be good players in the NBA. But, you have to convince other teams to take on their "Contracts."

Maybe, Lakers would trade the expiring Nash for Jennings.

[MotownMadness]

Why in the world would we trade our expirings for Gordon?

Because we need a starting caliber 2-guard in the worst way. Especially one who can create his own shot and can shoot the 3. Jennings/Gordon/KCP would be a nice guard rotation.

smith for jarrett jack and tristan thompson.

Maybe. I would try to squeeze Waiters in the deal instead of Jack. Thompson would be a good pick-up though.

Gordon is on a very expensive contract and not producing anywhere near a level to justify it. The only way we would take on that contract is if they would take back a bad contract of ours like Smith. Otherwise we definitely arent resigning Monroe and were not signing anyone else in the offseason if we have 3 players making damn near 40 mil a year. None of which who would be living up to they're contracts. I will definitely trade Smith for him though.

[sfballa13]

Why in the world would we trade our expirings for Gordon?

Because we need a starting caliber 2-guard in the worst way. Especially one who can create his own shot and can shoot the 3. Jennings/Gordon/KCP would be a nice guard rotation.

smith for jarrett jack and tristan thompson.

Maybe. I would try to squeeze Waiters in the deal instead of Jack. Thompson would be a good pick-up though.

Gordon is on a very expensive contract and not producing anywhere near a level to justify it. The only way we would take on that contract is if they would take back a bad contract of ours like Smith. Otherwise we definitely arent resigning Monroe and were not signing anyone else in the offseason if we have 3 players making damn near 40 mil a year. None of which who would be living up to they're contracts. I will definitely trade Smith for him though.

Id rather force Smith to come off the bench or give him a full season worth of DNP before i trade him for Gordon who has been hurt every single frickin year he has been in the NBA

[Neptune]

Because we need a starting caliber 2-guard in the worst way. Especially one who can create his own shot and can shoot the 3. Jennings/Gordon/KCP would be a nice guard rotation.


Maybe. I would try to squeeze Waiters in the deal instead of Jack. Thompson would be a good pick-up though.

Gordon is on a very expensive contract and not producing anywhere near a level to justify it. The only way we would take on that contract is if they would take back a bad contract of ours like Smith. Otherwise we definitely arent resigning Monroe and were not signing anyone else in the offseason if we have 3 players making damn near 40 mil a year. None of which who would be living up to they're contracts. I will definitely trade Smith for him though.

Id rather force Smith to come off the bench or give him a full season worth of DNP before i trade him for Gordon who has been hurt every single frickin year he has been in the NBA

I hear what both of you guys are saying. But Motown and sfballa13, let me ask you both this. Let say that our coach has already made up his mind that KCP is our 6th-man going forward and we just found out we lost our 1st rounder in the 2014 draft. What other starting caliber 2-guard can you see us going after? Realistically bro.

[MotownMadness]

Because we need a starting caliber 2-guard in the worst way. Especially one who can create his own shot and can shoot the 3. Jennings/Gordon/KCP would be a nice guard rotation.


Maybe. I would try to squeeze Waiters in the deal instead of Jack. Thompson would be a good pick-up though.

Gordon is on a very expensive contract and not producing anywhere near a level to justify it. The only way we would take on that contract is if they would take back a bad contract of ours like Smith. Otherwise we definitely arent resigning Monroe and were not signing anyone else in the offseason if we have 3 players making damn near 40 mil a year. None of which who would be living up to they're contracts. I will definitely trade Smith for him though.

Id rather force Smith to come off the bench or give him a full season worth of DNP before i trade him for Gordon who has been hurt every single frickin year he has been in the NBA

Gordon not playing is more valuable then Smith playing. Smith is a huge negative on the court because of his usage rate and the fact that he thinks hes a Melo type of shooter. I will trade Smith for just about anyone as long as theyre contract is shorter then his.

[ImHeisenberg]

Gordon not playing is more valuable then Smith playing. Smith is a huge negative on the court because of his usage rate and the fact that he thinks hes a Melo type of shooter. I will trade Smith for just about anyone as long as theyre contract is shorter then his.

I have to agree here. Additionally, his mental issues aren't factored in nearly enough. This cannot be your highest paid player on a legitimate playoff team. This isn't a guy who's going to buy into the "hard work, playing as a team" concept either. He's always played for himself, and always will.

There isn't many contracts I wouldn't prefer to trade Smith for. Joe Johnson is about the only contract that looks worse that Smith's right now. I'd swap Smith for Amare in a heart beat.

EDIT: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m6dcy4z

I would LOVE this trade. Straight swap of Jennings and Smith for Amare. Perfect.

[coolness]

Jennings and Smith for Amare is great. Especially if we get added value. But Amare would possibly be a wasted year towards future chemistry.

Here are 3 trades that will happen for sure.

July 1st trade
Detroit trades: Jabari Parker (yes,) Brandon Jennings, Josh Smith, and Tony Mitchell
Utah trades: Kyle Anderson and Noah Vonleh. (they use their pick and whatever to get us those 2 picks)

After Jerebko opts in
Detroit trades: Will Bynum, KCP, and Jonas Jerebko
Boston trades: Jeff Green and Vitor Faverani

In July after the Utah trade
Detroit trades: Siva and who we picked at 38
Orlando trades: Jameer and Afflalo

We are left with:
Guards: Jameer, Afflalo
Forwards: Green, Singler, Datome, Anderson
Bigs: Monroe, Drummond, Vonleh, Faverani

We have $5 million or more to spend on guards. Maybe get Hinrich. Maybe even keep Will Bynum in the Boston trade and still get Hinrich if there is $6 million or more cap.

3 trades that will happen = DrumMoose and some good-fitting guys who can shoot.

[jakebernat]

Here are 3 trades that will happen for sure.

i should have known to stop reading right there.

[jakebernat]

my dream scenario:
-we leapfrog the kings and lakers and overtake the 6th spot in the draft.
-smart falls into our laps at #6.
-chauncey opts in (to player-coach smart)
-we're able to dump smith's contract for whatever. i like the amare deal, but they might not want both jennings and smith. maybe they would go for smith/jerebko/bynum for amare? whatever. i'd immediately buy him out anyways.
-use the money we saved from trading smith and throw whatever it takes to pry hayward away from utah. (4 years/44 million?)
-resign monroe, preferably before he gets to an offer sheet. call me optimistic, but i really can't see a team throwing 15 million a year at monroe, especially if we're able to dump smith. i think 12-13 million a year is about what he'll get. praise jeebus if we can get him cheaper.
-add a big who can shoot

i agree that smart would have a tough time quarterbacking an nba offense full time at least initially, so it'd make some sense to keep jennings around at least for the time being.

new rotation:

PG: jennings/smart/chauncey/siva
SG: KCP/smart/singler
SF: hayward/singler/KCP/datome
PF: moose/patterson/mitchell
C: drummond/moose/JORTS

[Snakebites]

Gordon not playing is more valuable then Smith playing. Smith is a huge negative on the court because of his usage rate and the fact that he thinks hes a Melo type of shooter. I will trade Smith for just about anyone as long as theyre contract is shorter then his.

I have to agree here. Additionally, his mental issues aren't factored in nearly enough. This cannot be your highest paid player on a legitimate playoff team. This isn't a guy who's going to buy into the "hard work, playing as a team" concept either. He's always played for himself, and always will.

There isn't many contracts I wouldn't prefer to trade Smith for. Joe Johnson is about the only contract that looks worse that Smith's right now. I'd swap Smith for Amare in a heart beat.

EDIT: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m6dcy4z

I would LOVE this trade. Straight swap of Jennings and Smith for Amare. Perfect.

Oh my god yes.

Amare will be an expiring contract by the time this move is possible again, though. Phil Jackson's no fool, whatever people may think about his GM credentials.

[Neptune]

my dream scenario:
-we leapfrog the kings and lakers and overtake the 6th spot in the draft.
-smart falls into our laps at #6.
-chauncey opts in (to player-coach smart)
-we're able to dump smith's contract for whatever. i like the amare deal, but they might not want both jennings and smith. maybe they would go for smith/jerebko/bynum for amare? whatever. i'd immediately buy him out anyways.
-use the money we saved from trading smith and throw whatever it takes to pry hayward away from utah. (4 years/44 million?)
-resign monroe, preferably before he gets to an offer sheet. call me optimistic, but i really can't see a team throwing 15 million a year at monroe, especially if we're able to dump smith. i think 12-13 million a year is about what he'll get. praise jeebus if we can get him cheaper.
-add a big who can shoot

i agree that smart would have a tough time quarterbacking an nba offense full time at least initially, so it'd make some sense to keep jennings around at least for the time being.

new rotation:

PG: jennings/smart/chauncey/siva
SG: KCP/smart/singler
SF: hayward/singler/KCP/datome
PF: moose/patterson/mitchell
C: drummond/moose/JORTS

I'm a huge fan of Smith, but I'm down to move him if we can get Hayward. In this scenario I would start Smart to help Jennings initiate plays. Good idea

EDIT: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m6dcy4z
I would LOVE this trade. Straight swap of Jennings and Smith for Amare. Perfect.

Sorry ImHeisenberg, but no

[ImHeisenberg]

I'd love a S&T for Gordon Hayward. He's a better fit for Detroit than Smith in almost every conceivable way.

I don't think Utah is dumb enough to want Smith when they have Kanter and Favors. But, it is possible that we can out-bid them for Hayward- especially if the Jazz end up with Wiggins or Parker from the draft and want to immediately slot him in the starting line-up.

[The Penguin]

I'd love a S&T for Gordon Hayward. He's a better fit for Detroit than Smith in almost every conceivable way.

I don't think Utah is dumb enough to want Smith when they have Kanter and Favors. But, it is possible that we can out-bid them for Hayward- especially if the Jazz end up with Wiggins or Parker from the draft and want to immediately slot him in the starting line-up.

From what I've seen, Utah fans have kind of soured on Kanter as a long term fit with Favors and want a guy who can stretch the floor next to him. I'd have to imagine we'd need to package something like KCP or a future pick with Smith to move him for Hayward but it would solve a lot of problems.

Jazz win the #3 pick, take Jabari. Smith + KCP for Hayward S&T. Jazz sign Stephenson with their cap room.


Burke
Stephenson/KCP
Parker
Smith
Favors/Kanter

[ImHeisenberg]

It doesn't surprise me on Kanter. He hasn't exactly set the world on fire.

I would definitely throw KCP in on a Hayward trade.

[Laimbeer]

How about #8 to the Suns for 14, 17, and 28?

Hat tip to Notanoob.

[HotelVitale]

I'd love a S&T for Gordon Hayward. He's a better fit for Detroit than Smith in almost every conceivable way.

I don't think Utah is dumb enough to want Smith when they have Kanter and Favors. But, it is possible that we can out-bid them for Hayward- especially if the Jazz end up with Wiggins or Parker from the draft and want to immediately slot him in the starting line-up.

From what I've seen, Utah fans have kind of soured on Kanter as a long term fit with Favors and want a guy who can stretch the floor next to him. I'd have to imagine we'd need to package something like KCP or a future pick with Smith to move him for Hayward but it would solve a lot of problems.
Jazz win the #3 pick, take Jabari. Smith + KCP for Hayward S&T. Jazz sign Stephenson with their cap room.
Burke
Stephenson/KCP
Parker
Smith
Favors/Kanter

That makes some sense but they'd have to be convinced of some things. First that they're getting a much better version of Smith than what we've seen this year. And second that there weren't other suitors for Hayward that wouldn't ask them to take back the gigantic contract of a deeply problematic player. Third that it wouldn't be wiser to trot out Parker at the four and live with his lame d there rather than on the wing (lots of teams have apparently been thinking about this).

[HotelVitale]

How about #8 to the Suns for 14, 17, and 28?
Hat tip to Notanoob.

All three picks seems like too steep a price, but 14 and 17 is plausible if they really like A Gordon or Vonleh. They could use a solid two way big-- but would they want to wait on a raw prospect like that instead of taking their two chances in the middle of the first?

[paQo the BAWSER]

I think is absolutely impossible, but a S&T with Monroe for Bosh would be GREAT.

Then, trade Smith and Jennings for trash, players like Fields or Novak.

And we only would need sign a PG who can play defense and shoot from the 3 point line, and other player who can handle the ball.

Easier say it than make it.

[Clarity]

lol these trades