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Post#1 » by pipfan » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:05 am

Let's say Love says he's walking and Minny gets their #13 pick this year. They decide to try with Rubio and start over. I believe they still have a lot of protection on the pick next year.

1-Love and either KMart and Buds-whichever they want to dump, for Boozer, Snell, rights to Mirotic (#5-8 this year), rights to Bulls pick, rights to Char pick, Sac pick and Bulls #1 next year (can swap noon lottery with Clev).

2-Pek for Len, or Pek to Dallas for the #14 or Pek to Philly for the #12
I like Len for them, and Pek for Suns (they need a big for the half court)

Minny rebuids around Rubio, Shabazz, Deing, the #13, Mirotic, Len, Snell, #16, #19-and their top pick next year (plus Sac and the Bulls/Clev pick)

That is A TON of assets to build around. Their current group won't win, and rebuilding with Love walking in a year would kill this franchise
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Post#2 » by jayjaysee » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:34 am

pipfan wrote:Let's say Love says he's walking and Minny gets their #13 pick this year. They decide to try with Rubio and start over. I believe they still have a lot of protection on the pick next year.

1-Love and either KMart and Buds-whichever they want to dump, for Boozer, Snell, rights to Mirotic (#5-8 this year), rights to Bulls pick, rights to Char pick, Sac pick and Bulls #1 next year (can swap noon lottery with Clev).

2-Pek for Len, or Pek to Dallas for the #14 or Pek to Philly for the #12
I like Len for them, and Pek for Suns (they need a big for the half court)

Minny rebuids around Rubio, Shabazz, Deing, the #13, Mirotic, Len, Snell, #16, #19-and their top pick next year (plus Sac and the Bulls/Clev pick)

That is A TON of assets to build around. Their current group won't win, and rebuilding with Love walking in a year would kill this franchise


I think this would be a fun "challenge" like the others last week..

I think the Chicago deal is fair, but don't know why the Wolves should have to pay Boozer.. Honestly think they'd rather pay Bargs and get Shump, maybe they'd need to add something small to that deal (they have 3 seconds this year) but Shump with Rubio is nice in my opinion.. or Boozer for Wallace+18th...

I also don't think Phx trades Len for Pek.. Len is either overrated by Phx fans or underrated by the rest of us because of where he was drafted and how he has performed.. But he is a 20 year old big man who has looked okay in his very limited minutes.. Don't see them trading him unless it is in a star package.. And don't know if any team (besides a factitious fire sale) would pay dollar for dollar value for him thanks to what he has shown thus far..


If Minn was completely tearing it down.. I wonder if any of the top teams would consider trading Wiggins for Love+13.. Or if that is an overpay by Minn.. Say Philly does Wiggins+J-Rich for Love+13.. Or to make it more complicated by sending 13 to Houston for Asik+26..

If Philly can get cap space for Thad (which seems very doable consider his talent) they could have Love, Noel, Asik, MCW, Wroten, Moultrie and 11th with 25-26 million cap space left over.. Lowry and any of Lance/Granger/Deng fit in that.. Or just offer Melo his full max and sign a PG using the MLE..

And if for whatever reason they did a rebuild, there is no reason to keep Budigner and/or Brewer doing

Wallace+18th for Brewer+Shved or JJB should be the 3rd trade..

But don't think this is an option for Minn, if Love leaves hey will target Taj, Ibaka, etc and look to get more talent on their wings..
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Post#3 » by DK-All Day » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:43 am

If Minny trades Love the 1st 2 teams they should call are the Celtics and Lakers to try and snag their HIGH lottery pick. In this CHI deal, Minny is just collecting pieces...
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Post#4 » by jayjaysee » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:12 am

DK-All Day wrote:If Minny trades Love the 1st 2 teams they should call are the Celtics and Lakers to try and snag their HIGH lottery pick. In this CHI deal, Minny is just collecting pieces...


Agree with that.. Boston would offer the opportunity to eat Wallace's contract getting even more value from them beyond whoever is there at 4-5..

I think it is far more likely that Love just stays in Minn long term than Minn tears the entire team down though.

If Boston were to get 3rd, to be in position for Wiggins I mean. Would you be happy/unhappy with a Wiggins+Wallace+Joel+LAC first for Love+Martin trade? Minn would probably gladly send JJB for Bogans if JJB is still considered a back up point guard around Boston....

The Celtics could easily do Bass+Faverani+18th for Asik (I know Houston fans think that's a gross underpay and Boston fans think it's an overpay now) or something like Olynyk, 18th, and something for Sanders..

Asik/Love/Green/Bradley/Rondo with Olynyk/Sully/Martin is a stacked team and still has all those Brooklyn picks..

Would you like the move - feels like a rush through the rebuild but when you have that much talent 8 deep is it really? Would probably look to trade one of Oly/Sully at that point.. Or if Boston gets Wiggins would you rather keep him and Rondo? Or trade Rondo at that point for the best pick available (say expiring Rondo+something for Exum with Sac just for fun) and take 2014-2015 off?
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Post#5 » by DK-All Day » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:23 am

jayjaysee wrote:
DK-All Day wrote:If Minny trades Love the 1st 2 teams they should call are the Celtics and Lakers to try and snag their HIGH lottery pick. In this CHI deal, Minny is just collecting pieces...


Agree with that.. Boston would offer the opportunity to eat Wallace's contract getting even more value from them beyond whoever is there at 4-5..

I think it is far more likely that Love just stays in Minn long term than Minn tears the entire team down though.

If Boston were to get 3rd, to be in position for Wiggins I mean. Would you be happy/unhappy with a Wiggins+Wallace+Joel+LAC first for Love+Martin trade? Minn would probably gladly send JJB for Bogans if JJB is still considered a back up point guard around Boston....

The Celtics could easily do Bass+Faverani+18th for Asik (I know Houston fans think that's a gross underpay and Boston fans think it's an overpay now) or something like Olynyk, 18th, and something for Sanders..

Asik/Love/Green/Bradley/Rondo with Olynyk/Sully/Martin is a stacked team and still has all those Brooklyn picks..

Would you like the move - feels like a rush through the rebuild but when you have that much talent 8 deep is it really? Would probably look to trade one of Oly/Sully at that point.. Or if Boston gets Wiggins would you rather keep him and Rondo? Or trade Rondo at that point for the best pick available (say expiring Rondo+something for Exum with Sac just for fun) and take 2014-2015 off?

I wouldn't trade a top 3 pick for Love w/o an extension. PERIOD. I'm a HUGE Rondo fan but If Exum is on the table, you have to consider it.
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Post#6 » by jayjaysee » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:00 am

DK-All Day wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
DK-All Day wrote:If Minny trades Love the 1st 2 teams they should call are the Celtics and Lakers to try and snag their HIGH lottery pick. In this CHI deal, Minny is just collecting pieces...


Agree with that.. Boston would offer the opportunity to eat Wallace's contract getting even more value from them beyond whoever is there at 4-5..

I think it is far more likely that Love just stays in Minn long term than Minn tears the entire team down though.

If Boston were to get 3rd, to be in position for Wiggins I mean. Would you be happy/unhappy with a Wiggins+Wallace+Joel+LAC first for Love+Martin trade? Minn would probably gladly send JJB for Bogans if JJB is still considered a back up point guard around Boston....

The Celtics could easily do Bass+Faverani+18th for Asik (I know Houston fans think that's a gross underpay and Boston fans think it's an overpay now) or something like Olynyk, 18th, and something for Sanders..

Asik/Love/Green/Bradley/Rondo with Olynyk/Sully/Martin is a stacked team and still has all those Brooklyn picks..

Would you like the move - feels like a rush through the rebuild but when you have that much talent 8 deep is it really? Would probably look to trade one of Oly/Sully at that point.. Or if Boston gets Wiggins would you rather keep him and Rondo? Or trade Rondo at that point for the best pick available (say expiring Rondo+something for Exum with Sac just for fun) and take 2014-2015 off?

I wouldn't trade a top 3 pick for Love w/o an extension. PERIOD. I'm a HUGE Rondo fan but If Exum is on the table, you have to consider it.


Well with that I assumed Love was extended.

Resigned Love and Martin for Wiggins and salary filler is what I was suggesting. Wolves would add Wiggins and be able to trade 13 for a defensive PF, not saying Chicago does it but

Boston- Wiggins, Wallace, Bogans, and 18
Boston- Martin and resigned Love

Chicago - Bogans (fully unguaranteed), 13 and second(s)
Chicago - Taj

Wolves - Love, and Martin and 13 (and seconds)
Wolves - Wiggins, Wallace, Gibson, and 18

But Chicago loves Gibson and already had 16 and 19.. Assuming they amnesty Boozer to sign Melo having three top 20 picks would actually be huge and clearing Gibson's salary would give them plenty of room for Melo and they could bring Mirotic over.

Wolves get a great PF next to Pek and a potential star on the wings in one move.

But the Celtics.. If they land Wiggins do they consider trading Rondo+18 for Exum status if necessary and going full youth movement around two of the best from the best draft.. It does Ainge pull another one-offseason magic trip around Love and a center..

That's all I was asking. While being completely random.


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Post#7 » by slicedbread2 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:14 am

If Minnesota is to do a re-build, the first thing I would do is talk to Love. If he doesn't want to sign an extension to stay here and logic indicates that he won't due to the wretched smell of Kahn's failure wreaking in the T-Wolves organization, I sit down and have a talk with him on where he'd like to sign an extension. That's the most important factor here considering that the Timberwolves need to know this and you have to do this in the off-season since if you wait longer, the value diminishes. Here's a list of rumoured and likely destinations he'd go to on the condition he signs an extension in a trade or just goes there in FA:

New York: The lure there is Melo and Phil Jackson trying to use his Midas touch on the Knicks and turn them around although I'm sure more likely than not unless they get a third star like a Rondo for instance this wouldn't work at all plus they don't have any valuable trade assets and Hardaway Jr. will not get it done.

LA Lakers: Love's connections to LA are primarily due to the fact he was born in Santa Monica and went to UCLA and still trains there in the off-season. Some people believe that he and Westbrook could re-ignite their connection with the Lakers although Love is certain to test FA in 2015 and RW's deal doesn't expire till 2017 and a lot can change. Plus he's on record saying that the T-wolves have a better base than the Lakers now due to their rebuilding phase and the fact that titles are very unlikely in the near future now due to Jim Buss and his unpredictability, especially his feuding with Jeannie. Sadly, these stupid connections hurt Minnesota in terms of what they could get although not offering Love the franchise tag KAAAAAHN!! :banghead: was their own doing sadly.

LA Clippers: This one obviously has no legs, but if they fail to reach the WCF, they may make some changes and Griffin could be sent to Minnesota for Love. This would be the prime return due to Blake having 4 more years left on his deal though his growing game and jaw-dropping athleticism would make the Clippers fools to even fathom about such an idea.

Portland: Love grew up in Oregon and even though Aldridge is already there being a top 5 PF just like Love, things could change if Aldridge decides to go elsewhere though due to the emergence of Lillard, I highly doubt Aldridge leaves and this one would be dead in the water.

Chicago: The Bulls have plenty of assets to play with including draft picks and Nikola Mirotic and expirings. The Bulls have some aces in their pocket in the form of Joakim Noah, Jimmy Butler and coach Thibodeau plus Derrick Rose assuming he will finally adjust his game for the sake of his career. His ability to spread the floor would be a huge weapon in Thibs' system and could lighten the load on Derrick Rose's shoulder and this should be an option to go for especially if Anthony's asking price ends up becoming too high plus Phil Jackson arriving may have been the checkmate in keeping Melo since Jackson has a winning resume as a player and a coach though the weary stench of Dolan may ruin it all.

Boston: The Celtics here are an interesting choice. Love arriving in Boston would send a message to Rondo that they are ready to play and go all out. With their mother load of assets in the form of picks and Sullinger as well as their pick assuming it's lower than 3-4 would be the centrepiece of a deal to bring Love to Boston. The deal could get somewhat complicated and could cost more than it did to bring Garnett to Boston but at least Love is entering his prime so the cost would be justified.

Houston: This would be a funny one, but knowing Morey and his ability to play and hustle everybody at a craps table, don't be surprised if he enters the room. He has assets and draft picks and expirings to work with, but I'm not sure they'd be what Saunders and Minnesota would be looking for as any deal will require Jones and Parsons whom Morey is high on with the latter.

Considering all the options, Boston and Chicago would be the best options to go for and here'd be my trades with each team starting with Chicago:

Chicago: Corey Brewer, Kevin Martin, Kevin Love
Minnesota: Carlos Boozer, Mike Dunleavy, Kirk Hinrich, Nazr Mohammed, Erik Murphy, Tomike Shengalia, rights to Nikola Mirotic, higher of the 2 2014 first rounders, 2015 first rounder, SAC first rounder, 2017 first rounder, Portland second rounders, Chicago 2015 second rounder.


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This deal would actually work well for all parties involved especially with the luxury tax rising, the Bulls would be a hairline under the tax. They would get their shooters in Martin and Love whom the latter would do so much from spreading the floor and rebounding as well. Thibs' defensive system would cover the weaknesses of the players coming in. It would suck giving away Dunleavy and Mirotic who could be something great, but getting a proven commodity in Love and a sharpshooter in Martin would allow Jimmy buckets to slide back to the 3 where he is best used as a Michael Finley ironman type of player minus the offense that Finley had. Brewer would be a great energy guy in the second unit and he went to Florida with Noah so the integration would be seamless. This overall would allow the Bulls to be less dependent on Rose and he wouldn't have to shoulder as much of the load with Noah creating, this would be a far better move than pursuing Melo. Cap wise, they'd be stuck until 2016 unless Love decides to for sure opt-in and sign an extension then it works great. Lineup:

Rose/Augustin or vet min/pick
Martin/Snell/D-league
Butler/Brewer/D-league
Love/Gibson
Noah/draft pick/vet min

For Minnesota, you get a bevy of expirings and you shed some long term salary in Martin and Brewer. I'd rather send Budinger, but his injury problems make it hard to move him. They get the rights to Mirotic who is a great player and his fellow countryman from Montenegro Nikola Pekovic will be around so the transition would be seamless plus Rubio being from Spain will help too since Mirotic has been in Spain for a while now and this could help. They could flip the expirings of Boozer and Dunleavy for dead weight and more picks. They also get a bevy of picks and can rebuild or retool. Plus their pick if not converted by 2016 will become two second rounders. And most of these players you can renounce their rights and only Boozer and Dunleavy are left really.

The next move I'd make would involve another team say Toronto who'd probably look to upgrade their bench. Here'd be my deal:

Toronto: Mike Dunleavy jr., Alexey Shved
Minnesota: Landry Fields, 2 second rounders, one in 2015 and 2017 via Toronto

Raptors upgrade at the 3 and get a nice piece in Shved whom are both expiring while shedding a dead weight in Fields while the T-Wolves eat his deal and add more picks in the process.

Final move would be this:

Boston: Carlos Boozer, J.J. Barea, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Minnesota: Gerald Wallace, Brandon Bass, Joel Anthony, 2015 first rounder via LAC and 2 second rounders via Philadelphia/Boston and Miami.

Celtics take on Boozer and a bunch of expirings that will open up a lot of cap space for them in the 2015 FA saga while sending a low value first and a couple of seconds to dump Wallace while Minnesota eats up more deadweight for picks to help with the rebuild. I honestly don't know where you could send Budinger due to his injury problems, maybe a team looking for scoring on their bench would be interested. In total, they would have accumulated about 4-5 first rounders and about 7-8 second rounders. Plus they would buy out Wallace to avoid having him poison the locker room. Potential line-up:

Rubio/pick/pick
Muhammad/Budinger
pick/Fields/pick
Mirotic/Bass
Pekovic/Dieng/Turiaf/Anthony

Or if you don't like that scenario and you want to see what Boston could offer, here'd be the scenario in this case:

Boston: J.J. Barea, Kevin Love, LRAMM, Chase Budinger/Brewer
Minnesota: Gerald Wallace, Keith Bogans, Joel Anthony, Brandon Bass, Jared Sullinger, Boston #1, LAC 2015 #1, Brooklyn 2016 #1, Miami second rounder in 2016 and Boston second rounder in 2016.

Celtics may feel it's a big overpay for Love and it could be, but asides from Sullinger, a lot of those picks could very well flop and are question marks at this point. Budinger/Brewer could take Wallace's spot and at half the cost and can still produce while Wallace is a dead weight who has extreme negative value at this point. Love is a proven commodity while LRAMM and Barea are expirings who won't mean much and could be used as filler for other trades.

Minnesota gets a good piece in Sullinger who will be a downgrade from Love, but he has a growing game and getting a lottery pick in this year's draft could turn well depending on how they use the pick. Bogans can be waived since his deal isn't guaranteed while Bass could be flipped to a contender for a pick. Wallace can be bought out and Anthony is a good locker room presence who is overpaid but he will expire at the end though he will likely be waived in order to make room on the roster. The picks help out a lot plus Love entering his prime is a bonus.

Next move I would make is calling Charlotte since they are looking for an upgrade at the 2 or more scoring since MKG, their younger Tony Allen has a jump shot that makes Noah and Marion's jump shot look like Durant/Anthony's shot. Here'd be my deal:

Charlotte: Kevin Martin
Minnesota: Gary Neal, Portland first rounder and 2014 second rounder via Charlotte.

The Hornets get a sharpshooter in Martin who would be an upgrade at the 2 while sliding Henderson to the second unit while parting with Neal. Martin's deal will expire a year after MKG, Big Al and the rest of their core's deal does plus at 6.5 million, there's not much to hate. Plus Neal is sent out since he's expendable due to there being no room for him if this were to happen. Plus he's expiring.

Minnesota gets a good boost on the bench while adding more picks for this year to help with their quest to retool around Rubio and Pek. In total, they get around 4 first rounders and 3 second rounders. Potential lineup:

Rubio/pick
Muhammad/Neal/pick
pick/Budinger or Brewer/pick
Sullinger/Bass/pick
Pekovic/Dieng/Turiaf

Oh and in either scenario regarding Pekovic, I don't think you can get much for him without underselling him due to the length of his deal and the proneness to injury that he is developing. He should shed at least 10-20 pounds even though he is built like an ox and you could get something more, though most likely he will be staying for now. So I'm not sure what would be a fair deal for Pek.

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Post#8 » by cainepelicans » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:22 am

I love doing these.

Trade Love to Boston for Sullinger, 2015 LAC 1st and #5
Trade Martin, 2015 LAC 1st, 2018 2nd and Turiaf for Mozgov, Fournier and #10
Trade Pekovic and Barea for #9, Varejao and Bennett
Trade Rubio, Price and Hummels for Shumpert, 2015 1st and Tim Hardaway Jr.
Trade #10, #13 and #17 for #6
Trade #42 and #53 for #36
Draft Exum at #5
Draft Vonleh at #6
Draft Harris at #9
Draft Napier at #36
Trade Mbah a Moute, Brewer and Budinger for Zeller, Biyombo and Taylor
Waive Varejao and his salary only counts 2 mil against cap

End roster:

Exum/ Napier/ Shved
Harris/ Hardaway Jr/ Fournier
Shumpert/ Muhummad/ Taylor
Bennett/ Zeller/ Cunningham
Vonleh/ Sullinger/ Biyombo

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Post#9 » by Drax » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:34 am

cainepelicans wrote:...
Exum/ Napier/ Shved
Harris/ Hardaway Jr/ Fournier
Shumpert/ Muhummad/ Taylor
Bennett/ Zeller/ Cunningham
Vonleh/ Sullinger/ Biyombo

...


Are you secretly tanking 2015 or why would you start Bennett over Zeller or Sullinger?
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Post#10 » by pipfan » Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:25 pm

I think Pek in Dallas would be best, if they miss the playoffs. Minny does it for pure cap space, and can get a nice prospect.

My deal ended up giving them 6 first round picks, with Mirotic being the blue chip prospect (and a great fit with Rubio). Of course, they take Boozer-but it is only 1 year, and they can tank for a top 5 pick in 2015
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Post#11 » by Mattya » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:00 pm

pipfan wrote:I think Pek in Dallas would be best, if they miss the playoffs. Minny does it for pure cap space, and can get a nice prospect.

My deal ended up giving them 6 first round picks, with Mirotic being the blue chip prospect (and a great fit with Rubio). Of course, they take Boozer-but it is only 1 year, and they can tank for a top 5 pick in 2015


Mirotic might not even play for the Wolves which significantly devalues the Bulls trade.
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Post#12 » by Mattya » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:06 pm

Boston, Lakers, Warriors would all be likely trade targets for a rebuild in a Love trade. Unless those picks from the Celtics or Lakers are top 4 I just don't have interest. They would probably move Martin as well, but I don't think they will move Pek.
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Post#13 » by eliasrapp98 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:27 pm

I think Philly would do #12 for Pekovic. He fits well with Noel.

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Post#14 » by pipfan » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:48 pm

I agree with Philly-they can't be TERRIBLE again. Pek would help them and should age well.

I know Mirotic said Chicago or LA only, but he might play with Rubio and the euros there-it would be something to clear with him. No Mirotic-no Love to Chicago deal-Minny needs him to fill in for Love moving forward
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Post#15 » by Mattya » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:41 pm

pipfan wrote:I agree with Philly-they can't be TERRIBLE again. Pek would help them and should age well.

I know Mirotic said Chicago or LA only, but he might play with Rubio and the euros there-it would be something to clear with him. No Mirotic-no Love to Chicago deal-Minny needs him to fill in for Love moving forward


Until he is under contract that will always take away from his value. Minnesota is taking way to much risk there.
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Post#16 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:03 pm

pipfan wrote:I think Pek in Dallas would be best, if they miss the playoffs. Minny does it for pure cap space, and can get a nice prospect.



Dallas isnt going to give cap space for Pek. He makes too much money for a team operating under the cap. It makes no sense because he doesnt solve all of Dallas' problems but he takes all the money.

Also I was stunned that Chicago factored into your thread on a Minny rebuild. Just gobsmacked.....
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Post#17 » by slicedbread2 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:42 pm

Mattya wrote:
pipfan wrote:I agree with Philly-they can't be TERRIBLE again. Pek would help them and should age well.

I know Mirotic said Chicago or LA only, but he might play with Rubio and the euros there-it would be something to clear with him. No Mirotic-no Love to Chicago deal-Minny needs him to fill in for Love moving forward


Until he is under contract that will always take away from his value. Minnesota is taking way to much risk there.


Yea that's going to be a big problem either way. I think truth be told if Mirotic agrees to come to Minnesota and Love signs the extension, I'd throw in Brewer as well and take some expiring contracts and a plethora of picks. I think these are the best deals that could be accomplished:

#1. Chicago: Kevin Martin, Kevin Love, Corey Brewer
Minnesota: Nikola Mirotic, Mike Dunleavy, Carlos Boozer, Tomike Shengalia, Kirk Hinrich, Nazr Mohammed, 4 first rounders(higher of the 2014 picks, 2015 pick with the option to swap with Cleveland if they want, 2017 first rounder, SAC first rounder), Portland second rounders and Chicago second rounder in 2015

#2. Golden State: Kevin Love, Kevin Martin, Corey Brewer
Minnesota: David Lee, Mareese Speights(expiring with a team option and throw in to match salaries), Harrison Barnes, Klay Thompson, maybe some picks but the Dubs don't have a first till 2019 to trade nor do they have a second to trade till 2019

#3. LA Lakers: Kevin Love
Minnesota: Steve Nash, LAL #1 2014, you may need more assets here as this would be a pretty low return and horrible if the pick is a bust

#4. Boston: Kevin Love, JJ Barea, LRMAM or Kevin Martin and Corey Brewer
Minnesota: Gerald Wallace, Brandon Bass, Joel Anthony, Keith Bogans, Jared Sullinger, BOS #1 2014, LAC #1 2015, Bro #1 2016, PHI second rounders and MIA 2016 second rounders

I think the Boston one would be the best and I don't think the C's want long term salary so sending expirings and getting Love to sign an extension would be an necessary plus they'd have a crapload of cap space in 2015 once it's said and done.
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Re: Minny Rebuild 

Post#18 » by rugbyrugger23 » Tue Apr 1, 2014 11:15 am

Trade 1:

Love + Martin + Barea to GSW
-GSW wins Love sweepstakes, get Martin to replace Thompson, and vet Barea at backup PG.

Lee + #13 to Bucks
-Bucks get 2nd lottery pick and ironically Lee, despite his flaws, might be best player on weak roster. He fits great with Sanders and his large contract expires with Mayo, ZP, Delfino, and possibly Ily (team option).

Thompson + Barnes + Henson + #31 + Large TPE to Wolves
-I think GSW presents the best Love trade, but I don't want Lee on Wolves rebuild roster...enter bucks. Thompson is about perfect SG next to Rubio, Barnes could develop into Iggy-lite D SF, and Henson is a rim protecting PF with upside.

Trade 2:

Pek + Brewer to Pelicans
-Pelicans get Pek next to Davis while moving on from Gordon.

Gordon + Budinger + Pelicans future 1st to Pistons
-Gordon gets a fresh start in Detroit who can finally move Smith to PF.

Monroe (S&T) + Jerebko + Rivers to Wolves
-Monroe shouldn't cost much more than $ owed Pek (amount and length), I like his offense next to Henson and his ability to play PF (with the emergence of Dieng). Henson-Monroe-Dieng are a promising-young-versitle frontcourt.

Lineup:
C: Monroe/Dieng/Turiaf
F: Henson/LRMAM/Jerebko
F: Barnes/Bazz
G: Thompson/Rivers
G: Rubio/Shved
*Roster would be supplemented with capspace and TPE now available.
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Re: Minny Rebuild 

Post#19 » by BossHoggin » Tue Apr 1, 2014 7:12 pm

cainepelicans wrote:I love doing these.

Trade Pekovic and Barea for #9, Varejao and Bennett
don't quit your day job
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Re: Minny Rebuild 

Post#20 » by cainepelicans » Tue Apr 1, 2014 8:55 pm

BossHoggin wrote:
cainepelicans wrote:I love doing these.

Trade Pekovic and Barea for #9, Varejao and Bennett
don't quit your day job
After looking at this again the Cavs should get a 2018 or so 1st
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