Gasol and Caveman

Post #1 » by **snowman** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:44 pm

Are the Lakers going to try to retain both Gasol and Caveman?

Post #2 » by **Slava** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:44 pm

I don't think Kaman wants another year of this.

TonyMontana · Post #3 » by **TonyMontana** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:24 pm

Slava wrote:I don't think Kaman wants another year of this with MDA as our coach .

*Fixed*

Im kidding, but on a serious note. I think if MDA leave and we get a good pick in the draft and sign a decent F.A with some good help I think he will stay in LA in a heartbeat.

Tiesto_Lakers · Post #4 » by **Tiesto_Lakers** » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:37 pm

I've said it before and I'll say it again...Kaman has been the most impressive player on our team this year. I thought the dude was washed up and a shell of his former Clipper self on offense, but he's been just as good this year than any year he's been in the league. Only difference is that MDA hates him for some reason so he doesn't play much. He is literally the 14th man on our depth chart, and only plays when our bigs are injured. Makes no sense really, because he's so impressive in the post.

I remember he schooled Joakim Noah in a game this year...when he gets minutes, he's productive and actually helps the team. Hopefully he and Hill don't play a lot of minutes from here on out though...it might actually lead to wins.

Post #5 » by **Jakay** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:59 am

TonyMontana wrote:
Slava wrote:I don't think Kaman wants another year of this with MDA as our coach .

*Fixed*

Im kidding, but on a serious note. I think if MDA leave and we get a good pick in the draft and sign a decent F.A with some good help I think he will stay in LA in a heartbeat.

I don't think you're kidding, or wrong.

SlimShady83 · Post #6 » by **SlimShady83** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:45 am

If we get rid of MDA i can see Kaman coming back as he wants to stay in La in fact I believe most of the guys on this team want to stay here.

I'm hoping most of these guys stay - Young/Johnson/MrX/Kaman/Hill/Farmer/Kelly I want all these guys to stay
New coach and not too worried about Gasol returning or not - if he does it better be on the cheap.

As for the C spot I'd roll with

C: Gasol/Kaman/Sacre place Hill at PF < all depends who our coach is that should be the first step IMO

Edit: If Gasol doesn't return I'd love to roll with Kaman/HIll/Sacre

dAdo dA dEvil · Post #7 » by **dAdo dA dEvil** » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:19 pm

... if MDA is gone i'm more confident that gasol kaman and hill stays with the team ...
... seriously this is quite a solid front court rotation ...

... i'd rather have these 3 than MDA ...

AdonisDeMarion · Post #8 » by **AdonisDeMarion** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:13 am

They stay if MDA is gone, I don't care if the let him go or if he goes off himself. I just want him gone. I tried to support him but his unwillingness to play Gasol, Kaman and Hill killed me. I want him gone.

Penberthy · Post #9 » by **Penberthy** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:38 am

What coach in the right mind would play sacre over them? Makes you think management told him to do it for some reason, maybe to keep their fa value low, increase sacres value, or secure a high draft pick. Why else would any coach do this?

He says sacre is better on D, but everyone knows kaman and hill are just as good or probably better (smarter and more athletic respectively).

fredsays · Post #10 » by **fredsays** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:13 am

Kobe will talk Gasol into staying with the Lakers I think.

tviper · Post #11 » by **tviper** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:13 pm

both will be gone regardless of who is coach. not a chance either one is on the roster next year.

Post #12 » by **crazyeights** » Tue Apr 1, 2014 6:06 pm

MDA is starting Kaman and Gasol...we may never lose again.

ROballer · Post #13 » by **ROballer** » Tue Apr 1, 2014 6:07 pm

I hate my life :nonono:

I hate D'Antoni more though...the bastard knows he's getting fired anyway so he messes up the tank for us

LApwnd · Post #14 » by **LApwnd** » Tue Apr 1, 2014 6:26 pm

Bring Caveman back as the starter, Pau will want to get paid still and probably on a longer term deal than we would want. To be honest the way both have played when given equal time, there's not much of a drop of offensively between Pau/Kaman, just alot less passing from Kaman but at least Kaman is more consistently aggresive on offensive both leave alot to be desired on D.

Post #15 » by **Slava** » Tue Apr 1, 2014 6:35 pm

So why doesn't D'Antoni use Kaman regularly?

"When you do the math, if you're going to play Pau 30 minutes, that leaves 18 minutes some place. You'd like to play Robert [Sacre], because he's developing," said D'Antoni. "Even if you play Robert 10 minutes, that leaves eight or nine for Chris. That's tough."

According to D'Antoni, Kaman would rather sit out than play a token, low-minute role.

"He said he didn't want to play that," said D'Antoni.

What about playing Kaman next to Gasol?

"Well, that's going to knock Ryan [Kelly] out, or that's going to knock Jordan Hill out," said D'Antoni. "If Jordan Hill is not playing, then we'll have the same discussion, 'Why isn't Jordan Hill playing?'"

"Then if Ryan isn't playing, you've got to be nuts," he continued. "I thought Ryan Kelly, last night had his best game ever."

"Without a doubt. Chris is an established guy that has a game that's not going to improve. He'll play well but he is who he is. He'll be who he is next year and the year after. Pau is the same way," he said. "Ryan and Robert can really use these minutes to really get to be better. You don't know what their ceiling is. That's kind of the focus and the thought about why they need to hit the floor."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-pau-gasol-return-likes-chris-kaman-20140331,0,7864059.story#ixzz2xf37fpTu

LApwnd · Post #16 » by **LApwnd** » Tue Apr 1, 2014 6:38 pm

Sacre and Kelly dont matter, Antoni is a moron. He had no excuse either for not playing hill last year and he made up moronic excuse to disrespect Pau last year too.

Post #17 » by **crazyeights** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 4:25 pm

Slava wrote:
So why doesn't D'Antoni use Kaman regularly?

"When you do the math, if you're going to play Pau 30 minutes, that leaves 18 minutes some place. You'd like to play Robert [Sacre], because he's developing," said D'Antoni. "Even if you play Robert 10 minutes, that leaves eight or nine for Chris. That's tough."

According to D'Antoni, Kaman would rather sit out than play a token, low-minute role.

"He said he didn't want to play that," said D'Antoni.

What about playing Kaman next to Gasol?

"Well, that's going to knock Ryan [Kelly] out, or that's going to knock Jordan Hill out," said D'Antoni. "If Jordan Hill is not playing, then we'll have the same discussion, 'Why isn't Jordan Hill playing?'"

"Then if Ryan isn't playing, you've got to be nuts," he continued. "I thought Ryan Kelly, last night had his best game ever."

"Without a doubt. Chris is an established guy that has a game that's not going to improve. He'll play well but he is who he is. He'll be who he is next year and the year after. Pau is the same way," he said. "Ryan and Robert can really use these minutes to really get to be better. You don't know what their ceiling is. That's kind of the focus and the thought about why they need to hit the floor."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-pau-gasol-return-likes-chris-kaman-20140331,0,7864059.story#ixzz2xf37fpTu

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2-XMiHnH10[/youtube]

He has some interesting points about the ripple effect. Jodie not getting shots. Being slow afoot. Taking too many "contested twos."

Also, to MDA's credit he anticipates the criticism of LApwnd re Jordan Hill, but there simply aren't minutes. Also, we're trying to develop our young guys and get a draft pick--but, if he hadn't played Kaman after that last game he put up, people would really be going nuts.

We probably have too much middling bench talent for our own good. That's a real problem. When there's not a large separation of talent, there's no real pecking order. Then it turns into a guy just making gut decisions over and over. It's like a bad fantasy league team where every night you have to guess who to start. There's no way of knowing.

Post #18 » by **Slava** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 4:27 pm

That's a very good point, we have far too many mid-way players and very few healthy top tier players who are legitimate starters in the league. This season has turned into a very good audition to pick up and solidify the 6 - 15 of the roster if we can get the 1-5 in tact through draft, trades and free agency.

Post #19 » by **crazyeights** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 4:39 pm

LApwnd wrote:Sacre and Kelly dont matter, Antoni is a moron. He had no excuse either for not playing hill last year and he made up moronic excuse to disrespect Pau last year too.

Well, the Lakers Brass decided Sacre matters when they extended him for 3 seasons. What else are we playing for anyway? It's not like we're wasting a playoff push on undeserving players...this is the perfect time to get these guys minutes. It's a season of garbage time.

That being said, Sacre and Kelly are extremely valuable. Having been picked 60th and 48th their contracts are absolutely dirt cheap. If you don't see the value in that, then I'd say you're undervaluing cap considerations.

Kelly has had arguably one of the top rookie seasons from the last draft. Some say NBA rookie 2nd team is deserving. He's 22, can block shots, pass, and shoot (57.7 TS%). He's definitely got the intangibles (and tangibles) to be a nice role player on a good team.

LApwnd · Post #20 » by **LApwnd** » Wed Apr 2, 2014 4:43 pm

crazyeights wrote:
LApwnd wrote:Sacre and Kelly dont matter, Antoni is a moron. He had no excuse either for not playing hill last year and he made up moronic excuse to disrespect Pau last year too.

Well, the Lakers Brass decided Sacre matters when they extended him for 3 seasons. What else are we playing for anyway? It's not like we're wasting a playoff push on undeserving players...this is the perfect time to get these guys minutes. It's a season of garbage time.

That being said, Sacre and Kelly are extremely valuable. Having been picked 60th and 48th their contracts are absolutely dirt cheap. If you don't see the value in that, then I'd say you're undervaluing cap considerations.

Kelly has had arguably one of the top rookie seasons from the last draft. Some say NBA rookie 2nd team is deserving. He's 22, can block shots, pass, and shoot (57.7 TS%). He's definitely got the intangibles (and tangibles) to be a nice role player on a good team.

watch when a real coach comes in and we'll see if any of these 2 will see the light of day off the bench or putting up #'s like kelly is now next season. Both are valuable in the sense they can come in an do something here and there but Antoni system is clearly inflating Kelly #'s and I dont see anything of importantance out of Sacre either, he is a 4th big on any decent lvl team he gets PT cause Antoni says he tries hard and plays D but yet so does Hill but because Kelly can make 3's he gets the remaining minutes.