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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#381 » by Eyeamok » Wed Apr 2, 2014 5:58 am

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sixers23 wrote:Agreed


When it comes to Exum how can anyone say he should be picked in the top 3 what are you basing this on? His college performance, the fact that BB spent time in Australia? Just what facts warrant Exum to be picked so high? What top level talent has he played against and dominated? Even if he is good. He is coming in at a major disadvantage having not competed against top guys in college or even in the D-league. Even Brant was not a top 10 pick.

If this team is sitting at 12 with all they have to offer 2nd picks, taking on salary, swapping 1st picks and Thad they could move down a slot or two to at least 10...9 maybe. why not?




exum has maybe the most potential of anyone. should the lebron, kobes, garnett & mcgradys not have been picked bc they only played vs high school competition?


Lebron was picked #1 overall
Kobe was 13
Garnett was 5
Mcgrady was 9.

We are talking about drafting a guy in the top 3 that there does not seem to be a whole lot of footage on!!!
All I am asking is what has he done to deserve such a ranking in a drat class this deep. Are we just going on potential alone? If we were talking about drafting him 7 on up. Then sure take the chance. But as a top 3 it sure seems like a pretty big gamble.
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Post#382 » by sixers23 » Wed Apr 2, 2014 6:11 am

just bc we havent seen him play as much doesnt mean scouts havent seen more of him especially the sixers with brett browns Australia ties

bottom line if you think he has the potential that many do you dont pass on him for a guy who may be better right now but nowhere near his ceiling
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Post#383 » by Kobblehead » Wed Apr 2, 2014 12:26 pm

Exum's quickness and first step are said to rival those of Brandon Jennings. And Dante has about 6 inches and close to 20 pounds on him. Just think about how explosive that makes him seem.
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Post#384 » by FlightBrothers » Wed Apr 2, 2014 1:56 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Exum's quickness and first step are said to rival those of Brandon Jennings. And Dante has about 6 inches and close to 20 pounds on him. Just think about how explosive that makes him seem.



and how bad*** his name is....lol :D
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Post#385 » by dbodner » Wed Apr 2, 2014 3:02 pm

We are talking about drafting a guy in the top 3 that there does not seem to be a whole lot of footage on!!!


That's just not true. What you meant to say is, *you* don't have a whole lot of footage on him.
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Post#386 » by Kobblehead » Wed Apr 2, 2014 3:17 pm

Bodner, you got any podcasts talking about this year's draft prospects?
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Post#387 » by Agnostifarian » Wed Apr 2, 2014 3:23 pm

I HOPE that the Brett Brown Australia experience will put the Sixers in as good or better position to evaluate Exum than other NBA FOs. At a minimum, if our FO does pick Exum, I'm glad it won't be Doug Collins making the decision.

Speaking of foreign prospects, I like the snippets of tape I've seen on Nurcik. Mainly, I like the 280 lbs and 9' 2" standing reach to compliment Noel. I think a big body that can bang on the other big post players can protect Noel's body and allow him to protect the rim on the weak side.

Nurcik's upside might be Omer Asik on defense. Nurcik looks like he has enough lateral quickness to extend his defense beyond the paint to get a hand in the face of perimeter shooters on ball reversals.

On offense, he looks like he could be a post up option. Maybe the Sixer rebuild will be most successful if we can use the PeliPick to get "value" in the form of a foreign player that gets stashed for 2015 to help insure that we don't make the playoffs next year and keep our 2015 first round pick next.

Maybe Capella is the preferred foreign player but I think this "strategy" is being considered.

Lastly, Thad Young should not be a scrap heap guy. I doubt that there are a handful of players in this draft outside the top 8 that will be better all around professional players at age 25 than Thad is today.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#388 » by dbodner » Wed Apr 2, 2014 3:31 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Bodner, you got any podcasts talking about this year's draft prospects?


We'll probably have a couple coming up in the next few weeks.
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Post#389 » by sixers23 » Wed Apr 2, 2014 3:51 pm

Agnostifarian wrote:I HOPE that the Brett Brown Australia experience will put the Sixers in as good or better position to evaluate Exum than other NBA FOs. At a minimum, if our FO does pick Exum, I'm glad it won't be Doug Collins making the decision.

Speaking of foreign prospects, I like the snippets of tape I've seen on Nurcik. Mainly, I like the 280 lbs and 9' 2" standing reach to compliment Noel. I think a big body that can bang on the other big post players can protect Noel's body and allow him to protect the rim on the weak side.

Nurcik's upside might be Omer Asik on defense. Nurcik looks like he has enough lateral quickness to extend his defense beyond the paint to get a hand in the face of perimeter shooters on ball reversals.

On offense, he looks like he could be a post up option. Maybe the Sixer rebuild will be most successful if we can use the PeliPick to get "value" in the form of a foreign player that gets stashed for 2015 to help insure that we don't make the playoffs next year and keep our 2015 first round pick next.

Maybe Capella is the preferred foreign player but I think this "strategy" is being considered.

Lastly, Thad Young should not be a scrap heap guy. I doubt that there are a handful of players in this draft outside the top 8 that will be better all around professional players at age 25 than Thad is today.


a pick in the late lottery wont make or break our chances to make the playoffs next season. which are slim no matter what
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Post#390 » by 76ciology » Wed Apr 2, 2014 4:05 pm

Agnostifarian wrote:I HOPE that the Brett Brown Australia experience will put the Sixers in as good or better position to evaluate Exum than other NBA FOs. At a minimum, if our FO does pick Exum, I'm glad it won't be Doug Collins making the decision.

Speaking of foreign prospects, I like the snippets of tape I've seen on Nurcik. Mainly, I like the 280 lbs and 9' 2" standing reach to compliment Noel. I think a big body that can bang on the other big post players can protect Noel's body and allow him to protect the rim on the weak side.

Nurcik's upside might be Omer Asik on defense. Nurcik looks like he has enough lateral quickness to extend his defense beyond the paint to get a hand in the face of perimeter shooters on ball reversals.

On offense, he looks like he could be a post up option. Maybe the Sixer rebuild will be most successful if we can use the PeliPick to get "value" in the form of a foreign player that gets stashed for 2015 to help insure that we don't make the playoffs next year and keep our 2015 first round pick next.

Maybe Capella is the preferred foreign player but I think this "strategy" is being considered.

Lastly, Thad Young should not be a scrap heap guy. I doubt that there are a handful of players in this draft outside the top 8 that will be better all around professional players at age 25 than Thad is today.


Agree with this.

I think Exum is right there with Wiggins' in terms of upside. Both have freakish length but what Exum don't have in athleticism, he makes up for it with his skillset, instinct and IQ.

With the Pels' pick, nurkic is looking like the BPA. After the 8th pick, everything just looks gloomy. It's either one dimensional big man such as saric, mcdermott or cauley stein or spot up shooter swingman like selden, hood and young. Then there's Kyle Anderson who is a hard guy to have as a core player.

With Nurkic, you get to mask every weakness Noel has such as post defense, spacing(potential to be a good shooter) and rebounding. He looks like a promising long and strong two way big man who is useful specially to us.

I also feels the same way with Thad, but teams do overvalue rookies and there's Thad's contract situation that GM may not want to deal with.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#391 » by sixers23 » Wed Apr 2, 2014 5:04 pm

Selden isn't entering the draft
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Post#392 » by Kobblehead » Wed Apr 2, 2014 6:06 pm

sixers23 wrote:Selden isn't entering the draft

Good for him. He had a bad year and he realizes he needs to improve before he gets a 1st round guarantee. The Harrison bros should do the same.
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Post#393 » by Mik317 » Wed Apr 2, 2014 6:11 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:Exum's quickness and first step are said to rival those of Brandon Jennings. And Dante has about 6 inches and close to 20 pounds on him. Just think about how explosive that makes him seem.



and how bad*** his name is....lol :D


Not gonna lie..I almost want to take him just for all the Dante's Inferno puns I can make
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Post#394 » by Slacktard » Wed Apr 2, 2014 6:17 pm

Not really too high on Nurkic. His game reminds me a lot of Jan Vesely with that lack of outside range... The advantage he has over Vesely is that he's got a bit more of a wingspan and weight, but he's also not as good an athlete as Vesely.

I think Nurkic would have been an average center in the NBA maybe 10-15 years ago. I'm not sure he fits in the NBA of today which has gone away from traditional bigs and post-play... I'd consider him with the first 2nd round pick, but definitely not with the Pels pick.

I think at best he's probably a rotational big in the NBA and honestly if you have Nurkic+Noel on the floor at the same time you're going to allow the lane to be clogged up because of your defensive C and PF not having to respect their outside games much.
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Post#395 » by ZarcMumoff » Wed Apr 2, 2014 6:18 pm

I can definitely get on board with Exum. I'd still like to watch more film, but the little I've seen, I like. I just worry about the fit with MCW and Exum, but "fit" really shouldn't be a high priority.
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Post#396 » by Kobblehead » Wed Apr 2, 2014 6:28 pm

The only problem with drafting Exum is that the Sixers would need three point shooters at both the 3 and the 4 to make the line-up work.
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Post#397 » by Agnostifarian » Wed Apr 2, 2014 6:53 pm

Kobblehead wrote:The only problem with drafting Exum is that the Sixers would need three point shooters at both the 3 and the 4 to make the line-up work.


You assume that neither MCW or Exum will develop a three pt shot... Also, if Exum is the pick, MCW may get moved for another "asset."
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Post#398 » by 51X3RF4N » Wed Apr 2, 2014 6:54 pm

What is the overall consensus on this board for who they would rather have at PG running this team for the next 5 years: MCW or Exum??
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Post#399 » by sixers23 » Wed Apr 2, 2014 6:57 pm

Exum is the better prospect easily
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Post#400 » by Skates » Wed Apr 2, 2014 7:06 pm

There really isn't a great shooter among any of the big four of Exum, Parker, Wiggins or Embiid, though any of the first three could develop it. Parker is probably the best of them, but he is still more scorer than shooter. It might well be that the best shooter among the top 8 players in this draft is Noah Vonleh.

On the other hand the 10-20 range looks like it will be full of long distance shooters with holes in the other parts of their games. Although I think he will eventually end up as a third guard/sixth man on a good team, I am very high on Nik Stauskas in the 15-22 range. He can ball handle and slash better than I realized, though like most of the shooters in this range his defense is pretty bad. He has a lot of great offensive funadmentals, decent athlete, though only NBA average, but he has a really nice BB IQ that can add a step on offense. Good in catch and shoot, pick and roll and shooting off the dribble.

The Pellies piclk might be a bit high for him, but if we move down from there or up from 32 he is one of my favorite targets as a shooter. As a guy who doesn't have to carry a team offensively the way he has at Michigan at times I think he can become even more efficient offensively and with some work, an adequate team defender.

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