2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[Bling76]

Marcus Smart would definitely be the BPA in that scenario. IMO he has the highest "floor" of anyone in the draft because of his physical tools, defense, and intangibles. Players of his ilk normally have really solid NBA careers. Whether or not he works for the Sixers is another story entirely.

You'd take Smart over Randle and Gordon?

I don't think Smart would be a good fit here....Hes a combo guard,with a streaky jumper and excels driving to the basket. Him and MCW would both need immense improvements to there Jumpers to complement each other well, and we would need absolute sharpshooters at the 3/4 to make the lineup work.

Randle and Gordon are both much better prospects imo than Smart.

There physical tools are just as good,if not better for there positions than Smarts.

Both Randle and Gordon have extremely high ceilings.

I agree with you about him not fitting next to MCW but I definitely think he's a better prospect than both. I'd almost group him in with Parker, Exum, and Wiggins. Smart is bigger and more physical than most NBA PGs while Randle and Gordon have average/below average size for an NBA PF. I guess you could make an argument for Gordon based on his athleticism, defense, and all-around skill level, but I don't see a high ceiling with Randle.

[Kobblehead]

Smart will be a plus defender and a vocal leader, but much of his success relied on him being physical and playing bully ball. He lacks positional quickness and explosiveness and he's an awful shooter. As of right now, he doesn't seem cerebral enough to be an outstanding set-up guy, either. I really don't like his fit on the Sixers.

[Bling76]

He is a brutal jump shooter but I see that as his only major wart. At 6'4" 220 I think he'll be able to bully PGs at the next level, too, and he seems plenty cerebral to me.

[sixers23]

smart has a great work ethic so i wouldnt say its impossible for him to develop a solid jumper

[Hardcore6erFan]

I would take Stauskus over Smart with the Pelicans pick. I hate Smart, he's a punk.

[sixers23]

I would take Stauskus over Smart with the Pelicans pick. I hate Smart, he's a punk.

why bc of the one incident? everyone states how good of a character guy he is

[Negrodamus]

I would take Stauskus over Smart with the Pelicans pick. I hate Smart, he's a punk.

Is this because he pushed a fan one time whom was presumably yelling racially charged insults? If so, I wouldn't let one situation define his personality.

[Kobblehead]

and he seems plenty cerebral to me.

He often plays violently out of control and has piss-poor shot selection. What's cerebral about that? Would you consider Tony Wroten a cerebral player?

[Hardcore6erFan]

I would take Stauskus over Smart with the Pelicans pick. I hate Smart, he's a punk.

Is this because he pushed a fan one time whom was presumably yelling racially charged insults? If so, I wouldn't let one situation define his personality.

The fan called him a piece of crap. So not only did Smart push a fan for common trash talk, he lied about it and used the race card. Smart is pure scum and I want nothing to do with him. Listen at 0:18

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5tqqJ_h7ak[/youtube]

[sixers23]

pure scum? i saw the video before as well but u cant even tell that that was the fan in question or that thats all that was said just what was picked up on the mic

[Negrodamus]

I would take Stauskus over Smart with the Pelicans pick. I hate Smart, he's a punk.

Is this because he pushed a fan one time whom was presumably yelling racially charged insults? If so, I wouldn't let one situation define his personality.

The fan called him a piece of crap. So not only did Smart push a fan for common trash talk, he lied about it and used the race card. Smart is pure scum and I want nothing to do with him. Listen at 0:18

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5tqqJ_h7ak[/youtube]

You're right, he didn't say anything racial (at least from what can be heard on the video). That said, I'm not one to completely dismiss a kid for doing something stupid one time.

[Sixerscan]

Lol at calling another human being for what happened in that clip pure scum. Bet you were/will be perfect at 20 years old

[42uptop]

I was more worried about Randle before seeing him in the tournament as far as him adapting to the NBA, but watching him in games where he was struggling with length I found him to be very adaptive and I think he will adapt to the NBA in time. He is a much better passer, with really great court vision from the post, the elbow and on drives. At times he took the ball at the elbow or high post and initiated offense from there via pass or drive. On post ups he kicked the ball back out except when he seemed to have an advantage over his defender. His FT form looks nice and from what was said of him coming out of HS, I expect the guy to develop a jump shot from necessity and hard work. I already like his handles for a big and his elusiveness inside. In a lot of ways Randle reminds me of a bigger, potenially stronger super-Thad, with a similar insane work ethic.

I still value Vonleh over Randle because he has superior size and length, an equal nose for rebounds and has already shown an ability to step out with his jumper, and to be effective at a lower usage rate, though that may rise as his offensive game progresses.

Gordon ever develeoping much of an offensive game to me seems like a lot more of a stretch. An Iggy like defender of bigs and open court scorer appears to be his game for now.

If Parker isn't a tweener then he is an undersized PF or oversized SF, whatever.

This is why I question whether or not people have actually watched these guys play extensively. The notion that Parker is some undersized PF but Randle isn't.......ummmm take a look at their measurements. If you think Randle is not undersized you will be in for a surprise when he struggles in the NBA versus bigger players. Parker's appeal is that he can play as "an oversized SF" which is a great asset to have.

Gordon is still developing his offensive game. Supposedly he has a tremendous work ethic and is trying to improve his shot, so I would gladly take his defense and athletic gifts and cross my fingers that he can become an asset offensively

[Bling76]

and he seems plenty cerebral to me.

He often plays violently out of control and has piss-poor shot selection. What's cerebral about that? Would you consider Tony Wroten a cerebral player?

Wroten comp is a bit extreme but I see where you're coming from. He makes some really heady plays on defense, though.

[PhilasFinest]

Looks like McAdoo declared. He's mocked in the 2nd round.....wouldnt mind him there.

[Negrodamus]

I was more worried about Randle before seeing him in the tournament as far as him adapting to the NBA, but watching him in games where he was struggling with length I found him to be very adaptive and I think he will adapt to the NBA in time. He is a much better passer, with really great court vision from the post, the elbow and on drives. At times he took the ball at the elbow or high post and initiated offense from there via pass or drive. On post ups he kicked the ball back out except when he seemed to have an advantage over his defender. His FT form looks nice and from what was said of him coming out of HS, I expect the guy to develop a jump shot from necessity and hard work. I already like his handles for a big and his elusiveness inside. In a lot of ways Randle reminds me of a bigger, potenially stronger super-Thad, with a similar insane work ethic.

I still value Vonleh over Randle because he has superior size and length, an equal nose for rebounds and has already shown an ability to step out with his jumper, and to be effective at a lower usage rate, though that may rise as his offensive game progresses.

Gordon ever develeoping much of an offensive game to me seems like a lot more of a stretch. An Iggy like defender of bigs and open court scorer appears to be his game for now.

If Parker isn't a tweener then he is an undersized PF or oversized SF, whatever.

This is why I question whether or not people have actually watched these guys play extensively. The notion that Parker is some undersized PF but Randle isn't.......ummmm take a look at their measurements. If you think Randle is not undersized you will be in for a surprise when he struggles in the NBA versus bigger players. Parker's appeal is that he can play as "an oversized SF" which is a great asset to have.

Gordon is still developing his offensive game. Supposedly he has a tremendous work ethic and is trying to improve his shot, so I would gladly take his defense and athletic gifts and cross my fingers that he can become an asset offensively

6'9 is about par for the course in terms of 4s in the NBA. His wingspan is undersized, if that's what you're saying. Randle definitely needs to put some work into his game at the next level, but he will be able to get to the hole a score. He will also draw many fouls.

The terminology "bully ball" is basically saying that he's assertive when going to the hole. For some reason that is being considered a negative for Julius. If Wiggins or Embiid added "bully ball" to their game, they'd average 5 more free throws a game (not that they are passive, but they certainly don't go as strong to the hole as Randle)

[Negrodamus]

Well, maybe not 5 FTA. Maybe 2 or 3. Sorry, I'm thinking in terms of NBA FTA per game.

[snoopdogg88]

Looks like McAdoo declared. He's mocked in the 2nd round.....wouldnt mind him there.

I like McAdoo, I think he'll be a better pro than he was in college.

[PhilasFinest]

I was more worried about Randle before seeing him in the tournament as far as him adapting to the NBA, but watching him in games where he was struggling with length I found him to be very adaptive and I think he will adapt to the NBA in time. He is a much better passer, with really great court vision from the post, the elbow and on drives. At times he took the ball at the elbow or high post and initiated offense from there via pass or drive. On post ups he kicked the ball back out except when he seemed to have an advantage over his defender. His FT form looks nice and from what was said of him coming out of HS, I expect the guy to develop a jump shot from necessity and hard work. I already like his handles for a big and his elusiveness inside. In a lot of ways Randle reminds me of a bigger, potenially stronger super-Thad, with a similar insane work ethic.

I still value Vonleh over Randle because he has superior size and length, an equal nose for rebounds and has already shown an ability to step out with his jumper, and to be effective at a lower usage rate, though that may rise as his offensive game progresses.

Gordon ever develeoping much of an offensive game to me seems like a lot more of a stretch. An Iggy like defender of bigs and open court scorer appears to be his game for now.

If Parker isn't a tweener then he is an undersized PF or oversized SF, whatever.

This is why I question whether or not people have actually watched these guys play extensively. The notion that Parker is some undersized PF but Randle isn't.......ummmm take a look at their measurements. If you think Randle is not undersized you will be in for a surprise when he struggles in the NBA versus bigger players. Parker's appeal is that he can play as "an oversized SF" which is a great asset to have.

Gordon is still developing his offensive game. Supposedly he has a tremendous work ethic and is trying to improve his shot, so I would gladly take his defense and athletic gifts and cross my fingers that he can become an asset offensively

6'9 is about par for the course in terms of 4s in the NBA. His wingspan is undersized, if that's what you're saying. Randle definitely needs to put some work into his game at the next level, but he will be able to get to the hole a score. He will also draw many fouls.

The terminology "bully ball" is basically saying that he's assertive when going to the hole. For some reason that is being considered a negative for Julius. If Wiggins or Embiid added "bully ball" to their game, they'd average 5 more free throws a game (not that they are passive, but they certainly don't go as strong to the hole as Randle)

Melo and LeBron have made careers of playing bully ball.Its a great trait to have assuming you can do other things, which i think Randle will be able to do in time. With an NBA conditioning program and coaching, he is only going to get stronger and refine some of his skills.

Randle could be an absolute stud in the NBA.

[Kobblehead]

What area is McAdoo exceptional at? He's an ordinary rebounder, doesn't block shots, can't hit free throws, doesn't extend his range to the three point line. He's just kinda there.