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Re: 2014 Free Agency Thread 

Post#301 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Apr 4, 2014 5:32 pm

NBA execs expect Bobcats to pursue Pau Gasol. Gasol says "winning" more of a factor than money.

The Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Charlotte Bobcats and Memphis Grizzlies are expected to be potential options for Gasol, according to a poll of NBA executives.

"There are a couple thoughts out there on Pau," said an Eastern Conference executive. "Some people say he is worn out, that he is too far past his prime to really help a contender. There are others that think that LA, that environment the past two season, that style of play has destroyed him and if he goes somewhere else, plays with a different coach, he might be rejuvenated. I could see someone who thinks the latter paying him $10 million a year."


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Post#302 » by 4WhomRajaTolls » Fri Apr 4, 2014 5:46 pm

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Absorbing a bad contract for a pick is something a tanking team does. I think you've got it backwards. Were on the bubble with upside so we need to look for that final piece like a lance Stephenson. A bad contract and a pick is swinging for the fences more than offering an established talent a contract is.


I agree. We are on the cusp of contention. The trick will be to bring in Lance Stephenson and somehow salvage Gerald Henderson who costs money and would be difficult to move outside of a dump.

Maybe hide him at backup SF???

2014-2015 Charlotte Hornets

Kemba Walker-PG
Lance Stephenson-SG
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist-SF
Cody Zeller-PF
Al Jefferson-C

2nd unit

Shaun Livingston-PG
Gary Neal-SG/James Young
Gerald Henderson-SF/Chris Douglas-Roberts
Josh McRoberts-PF
Bismack Biyombo-C


yep. That's the team right there. With improvements to Kemba, MKG, and Cody, that team threatens the eastern conference finals within two years


I like Lance. A lot. I don't like him nearly as much between MKG and Kemba and Al. That line-up would still have zero 3pt threats. Lance just doesn't make sense with our roster. Even though I much prefer Lance to Hendo, I'm not sure that this team is that much better after the move.
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Post#303 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 4, 2014 6:00 pm

We've been interested in Gasol for what seems like 15 years now.
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Post#304 » by yosemiteben » Fri Apr 4, 2014 6:07 pm

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I would love having Gasol on this roster.
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Post#305 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 4, 2014 6:09 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Maybe I'm in the minority, but I would love having Gasol on this roster.


I wouldn't mind it either as long as its on a shorter type contract
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Post#306 » by HornetJail » Fri Apr 4, 2014 6:16 pm

I don't mind, as long as it doesn't come at the expense of Lance Stephenson or Arron Afflalo or something.
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Post#307 » by yosemiteben » Fri Apr 4, 2014 6:38 pm

I guess my only problem with picking up Gasol is that's really not a position of need, but he does have a solid mid range game and that could really prove to be effective with Big Al. Talk about some killer high post, low post action. Pau is turning 34 over the summer though, so not sure how much gas is in the tank.

If we could trade Hendo and a pick for or draft a solid outside shooter to plug in to round out a starting lineup of Kemba, MKG, Gasol and Big Al, that would be a very competitive team for a season at least.
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Post#308 » by HornetJail » Fri Apr 4, 2014 6:41 pm

How much does Gasol make though? Does he demand 2/20? I wouldn't do that.
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Post#309 » by Snidely FC » Fri Apr 4, 2014 6:52 pm

I hope we don't sign DJWhite for the rest of the year when his 2nd ten day expires.

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Post#310 » by Bassman » Fri Apr 4, 2014 6:56 pm

I really don't think Pau would be a great addition, but if healthy he would be better than McBob. If I presume to go inside the mind of Cho, this projects as a temporary move; gives Cody more time to grow into his eventual starting role, and enable the team to take a bigger jump up in effectiveness. That might happen ONLY IF you can get a healthy Pau.

By the way, I still like the idea of Lance here. Frankly, my choice is to deal MKG for a quality SG or SF, and get the other via free agency. Both need to be able to shoot and give us reasonably good defense. We need better balance, and while I like Hyphen, I just don't see him ever delivering enough offensive production. Now, if everyone else on our starting 5 was a stud scorer, then he's a no-brainer keeper. But Kemba is a marginal shooter, and eventual starter Cody will be good but no Kevin Love. In today's NBA, we need killer-good scorers at the primo positions (SG & SF).
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Post#311 » by Braggins » Fri Apr 4, 2014 8:09 pm

Bassman wrote:I really don't think Pau would be a great addition, but if healthy he would be better than McBob. If I presume to go inside the mind of Cho, this projects as a temporary move; gives Cody more time to grow into his eventual starting role, and enable the team to take a bigger jump up in effectiveness. That might happen ONLY IF you can get a healthy Pau.

By the way, I still like the idea of Lance here. Frankly, my choice is to deal MKG for a quality SG or SF, and get the other via free agency. Both need to be able to shoot and give us reasonably good defense. We need better balance, and while I like Hyphen, I just don't see him ever delivering enough offensive production. Now, if everyone else on our starting 5 was a stud scorer, then he's a no-brainer keeper. But Kemba is a marginal shooter, and eventual starter Cody will be good but no Kevin Love. In today's NBA, we need killer-good scorers at the primo positions (SG & SF).

Agree with Pau completely disagree with everything else. Everyone seems to forget how terrible Pau did with Howard on the roster when he was forced to play mostly out of the high post. It would be the exact same situation here. He is at his most effective on the low block working inside then out pretty much the same as Al albeit with a better midrange/passing game.

I'm not even going to argue the MKG points because he isn't going anywhere unless we get an all-star caliber player and you are crazy if you think anything different.
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Post#312 » by JDR720 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 8:27 pm

Pau wont like it here, he wants the ball in the post and to play C Al is our post player and C
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Post#313 » by dmutombo321 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 8:28 pm

Braggins wrote:
Bassman wrote:I really don't think Pau would be a great addition, but if healthy he would be better than McBob. If I presume to go inside the mind of Cho, this projects as a temporary move; gives Cody more time to grow into his eventual starting role, and enable the team to take a bigger jump up in effectiveness. That might happen ONLY IF you can get a healthy Pau.

By the way, I still like the idea of Lance here. Frankly, my choice is to deal MKG for a quality SG or SF, and get the other via free agency. Both need to be able to shoot and give us reasonably good defense. We need better balance, and while I like Hyphen, I just don't see him ever delivering enough offensive production. Now, if everyone else on our starting 5 was a stud scorer, then he's a no-brainer keeper. But Kemba is a marginal shooter, and eventual starter Cody will be good but no Kevin Love. In today's NBA, we need killer-good scorers at the primo positions (SG & SF).

Agree with Pau completely disagree with everything else. Everyone seems to forget how terrible Pau did with Howard on the roster when he was forced to play mostly out of the high post. It would be the exact same situation here. He is at his most effective on the low block working inside then out pretty much the same as Al albeit with a better midrange/passing game.

I'm not even going to argue the MKG points because he isn't going anywhere unless we get an all-star caliber player and you are crazy if you think anything different.


^MKG yielding an allstar caliber player in a trade? :lol:

Gilchrists' striking offensive ineptitude (cant shoot 3s and when he does, is only 11% on the season, 64% from foul line) outweighs his defensive contributions and there's gritty SF FA's and non-lotto rookies who can be had that can provide much of the same thing and can at least hit and open 3 along with it.

It wouldnt surprise me to see MKG shopped this offseason and, if it comes to pass where he is traded, all the folks still enamored with his potential and under the illusion that he's on the cusp of breaking out are going to be disappointed when they see how little he actually commands in return.

I would be thrilled for example if Charlotte were able to deal him for a pick in the 10-13 range to replace what they're losing from DET, But alot of FO's would rather keep their picks in that range then gamble on MKG and his broken jumper.

In terms of offseason targets:

Agreed, stay away from Gasol. He's over the hill and whoever throws him bod dollars will regret it.

SG/SF need to be our priorities.

I'd still shoot to do everything possible within reason to sign Lance. Look to dump Hendo to anyone who can absorb his salary. Re-sign CDR to float between backup 3 and third string 2.

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Post#314 » by JDR720 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 8:33 pm

i wouldn't trade MKG for a pick in the 10-13 range, MKG is better than whoever we could draft there Aaron Gordon or MKG? Gary Harris or MKG? Noah Vonleh or MKG? and i dont think MKG has offensive ineptitudes he has confidence problems he is also a great defender and rebounder for a SF and he is younger than a lot of college players
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Post#315 » by dmutombo321 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 8:55 pm

The fact the he suffers from offensive ineptitude is indisputable; he's a liability on the offensive end of the floor any way you look at it..

Does the offensive ineptitude stem from a confidence problem? Perhaps...

He would be an immeasurably better player if he could just progress to the point where he could simply hit an open jumper. I havent seen anything progress wise that's encouraging though.

Until that changes, he'll continue to be a "3 and D" guy without the '3' and opposing defenses will continue to cheat off him and overtly ignore him when outside of 15 feet from the bucket.
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Post#316 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Apr 4, 2014 8:57 pm

That video is must-see TV for any Lance detractor.

Lance is sensational at dribbling and shaking his man, carving up the defense in isolation. He's super dangerous because he can pass out to the open player(s) if the defense overcommits. He's a triple double machine I don't care if he's not the best outside shooter. You're getting a cache of tools in return for the money. On many nights he will be scoring, passing, rebounding and playing defense. Every night he will be rebounding and playing defense. The latter is all we ever get from MKG and fans swing from his nuts like Tarzan.

You get Lance together with Kemba Big Al and Cody and at that point you can focus draft picks/resources on the SF position.

Even if you do not like the offers for MKG you can go to war with that team and be a force in the East. You still have the Blazers pick and the Pistons pick to leverage for an upgrade at SF at some point.

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Post#317 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:06 pm

dmutombo321 wrote:
^MKG yielding an allstar caliber player in a trade? :lol:

I would be thrilled for example if Charlotte were able to deal him for a pick in the 10-13 range to replace what they're losing from DET, But alot of FO's would rather keep their picks in that range then gamble on MKG and his broken jumper.



Hornets/Cavs trade scenario

CAVS: MKG (they have no defense) + Blazers pick
HORNETS: Rights to draft Doug McDermott at 8 or 9.

Who says no?
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Post#318 » by dmutombo321 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:14 pm

^ I'd reserve judgement until McDermott can show during pre-draft workouts that he is able to at least passably defend the 3 spot at the NBA level. I'd love to be a fly on the wall if he gets scheduled for workouts against some other SF's like TJ Warren.

Assuming he can at least stay in front of his man on defense, then yes, I would not hesitate for a moment on a deal like that. Having him on the wing basically makes it impossible for opponents to double Jefferson unless they have a death wish.

On the other hand, if McDermott stuggles in workouts guarding opposing athletic 3's, then I'd pass. No sense in trading an offensive poison pill (MKG) for a defensive one (Dougie Fresh)
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Post#319 » by JDR720 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:15 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
dmutombo321 wrote:
^MKG yielding an allstar caliber player in a trade? :lol:

I would be thrilled for example if Charlotte were able to deal him for a pick in the 10-13 range to replace what they're losing from DET, But alot of FO's would rather keep their picks in that range then gamble on MKG and his broken jumper.



Hornets/Cavs trade scenario

CAVS: MKG (they have no defense) + Blazers pick
HORNETS: Rights to draft Doug McDermott at 8 or 9.

Who says no?

I wouldn't do that to MKG
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Post#320 » by dmutombo321 » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:21 pm

^Its tough because MKG's a good kid and a hard worker. You cant help but root for him.

The worst mistake Charlotte can make though is to hang onto him for too long if it appears he isnt going to make a leap and end up trading him for peanuts down the road instead like Minny did with Derrick Williams.

Right now he's Luc Mbah a Moute, and even Luc is more capable of hitting an open J.

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