Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

[MaceCase]

So out of your 2 starting PF, I'm seeing more and more of you thinking about giving up Horford instead of Millsap...yes?

Curious as to what the reasoning is behind this.

Greater return package mostly. Sap has played admirably but I doubt anyone here believes that he could bring back a major haul like Al could due to his superior talent and ability to play either C or PF.

[diesel50]

So out of your 2 starting PF, I'm seeing more and more of you thinking about giving up Horford instead of Millsap...yes?

Curious as to what the reasoning is behind this.

Greater return package mostly. Sap has played admirably but I doubt anyone here believes that he could bring back a major haul like Al could due to his superior talent and ability to play either C or PF.

Talking over in the trade board about Horford for Afflalo/Harkness/2014 and 2015 first rounders.

This is my deal to the table. I actually like it because I don't think Horford is the future here and I believe that in the draft we can find great depth players and maybe our C.

[Splinter]

Raps fan here, I come in peace...
There are a lot of people over on the Raps board, including myself, who really want Masai to push hard for Horford this offseason. There have been a lot of proposed trades, but here's a couple of 3-team trades that interest me...

Option one -
Atl in - Landry Fields, Marreese Speights, Harrison Barnes, 2014 and 2016 Raptors firsts

Tor in - Al Horford

Golden State in - Amir Johnson

OR Option two -

Atl in - Omer Asik, Donatas Motiejunas, 2014 and 2016 Raptors firsts

Tor in - Al Horford

Hou in - Amir Johnson, Steve Novak

Thoughts?

[Jamaaliver]

Raps fan here, I come in peace...
There are a lot of people over on the Raps board, including myself, who really want Masai to push hard for Horford this offseason...here's a couple of 3-team trades that interest me...


OR Option two -

Atl in - Omer Asik, Donatas Motiejunas, 2014 and 2016 Raptors firsts

Tor in - Al Horford

Hou in - Amir Johnson, Steve Novak

Thoughts?

Option two intrigues me. Our GM has been rumored to like Asik, also. He's an expiring contract. And those draft picks could turn out to be pretty valuable down the road.

These aren't the worst trade ideas for AL. Would need some tweaking, though. But you'd at least have our attention.

[FCNATL85]

Is that really all you guys would want for Horford? That looks like a total steal for OKC. Adams is a decent center but he's likely a backup most of his career and if he does start he'd probably always reside in the lower tier of starting centers. Neither he or any of the other parts Okc could put into such a deal look like a centerpiece part to me. If Atl is looking to deal Horford for backups, low draft picks and expiring contracts there should be a lot of teams wanting in on that bidding.

Co-Signed. This isn't close to what Horford would be worth. Adams, Lamb, and a really late first? And then Perkins who's not worth his contract? Come on guys.

I believe that we will talk about Lamb and adams tow years from now while I hope that we will not be talking about the career Al could have had if he would not be injury prone... I hope I am wrong on the later but I think again that we will talk about Lamb and also probably about Adams but to expect for him to pan out right away now that Perk is injured is also not realistic considering how new he is to the game...Would be easier for him to see touches here than there..

[MaceCase]

Raps fan here, I come in peace...
There are a lot of people over on the Raps board, including myself, who really want Masai to push hard for Horford this offseason. There have been a lot of proposed trades, but here's a couple of 3-team trades that interest me...

Option one -
Atl in - Landry Fields, Marreese Speights, Harrison Barnes, 2014 and 2016 Raptors firsts

Tor in - Al Horford

Golden State in - Amir Johnson

OR Option two -

Atl in - Omer Asik, Donatas Motiejunas, 2014 and 2016 Raptors firsts

Tor in - Al Horford

Hou in - Amir Johnson, Steve Novak

Thoughts?

Raptors are giving up the least yet getting the most out of these deals. Throw those picks towards Golden State or Houston and insert Ross to the Hawks, you can't just expect other teams to supply the value for you while you walk away cackling.

[Splinter]

Raps fan here, I come in peace...
There are a lot of people over on the Raps board, including myself, who really want Masai to push hard for Horford this offseason. There have been a lot of proposed trades, but here's a couple of 3-team trades that interest me...

Option one -
Atl in - Landry Fields, Marreese Speights, Harrison Barnes, 2014 and 2016 Raptors firsts

Tor in - Al Horford

Golden State in - Amir Johnson

OR Option two -

Atl in - Omer Asik, Donatas Motiejunas, 2014 and 2016 Raptors firsts

Tor in - Al Horford

Hou in - Amir Johnson, Steve Novak

Thoughts?

Raptors are giving up the least yet getting the most out of these deals. Throw those picks towards Golden State or Houston and insert Ross to the Hawks, you can't just expect other teams to supply the value for you while you walk away cackling.

Of course, these are just the basics of the deals. And like Jamaaliver stated, some tweaking would have to be done. Although the Raptors are giving up their best all-around big and two first round picks for a guy who has missed huge chunks of time in the last couple years... In the first trade, Landry could be substituted for Salmons, who only has $1 million guaranteed, giving you about $5 million more in cap space, 2 first rounders, a good young prospect and a pretty good F/C.

By the way, i think Amir and Novak to Houston is good value for Asik (probably not enough to add in Donatas though, I admit) as Amir is criminally underrated and Novak adds extra 3-point shooting that I believe that Houston needs. Also with Golden State, they were rumoured to be interested in Amir at the trade deadline, so I'm just sort of guessing how much they value him. I think they're going to give up on Barnes, and Atl would be a good spot for him to land

[lakerhater]

Raps fan here, I come in peace...
There are a lot of people over on the Raps board, including myself, who really want Masai to push hard for Horford this offseason. There have been a lot of proposed trades, but here's a couple of 3-team trades that interest me...

Option one -
Atl in - Landry Fields, Marreese Speights, Harrison Barnes, 2014 and 2016 Raptors firsts

Tor in - Al Horford

Golden State in - Amir Johnson

OR Option two -

Atl in - Omer Asik, Donatas Motiejunas, 2014 and 2016 Raptors firsts

Tor in - Al Horford

Hou in - Amir Johnson, Steve Novak

Thoughts?

Option 1 doesn't work for GSW at all. Amir's constant health issues and overall abuse he's taken over the years while having such a thin frame doesn't bode well for his future. Plenty of Raps fans acknowledge this but there are a contingent of Raps fans that think they can maximize AJ's value even though his health most likely won't hold up over the long term.

I'd also think Atl fans would balk at getting Asik, what looks like 2 late 1st round picks and a 3rd string PF. Doesn't look like nearly enough to pry Horford away to me. I can't believe ATL would sell Horford that cheaply.

[lakerhater]

Raps fan here, I come in peace...
There are a lot of people over on the Raps board, including myself, who really want Masai to push hard for Horford this offseason. There have been a lot of proposed trades, but here's a couple of 3-team trades that interest me...

Option one -
Atl in - Landry Fields, Marreese Speights, Harrison Barnes, 2014 and 2016 Raptors firsts

Tor in - Al Horford

Golden State in - Amir Johnson

OR Option two -

Atl in - Omer Asik, Donatas Motiejunas, 2014 and 2016 Raptors firsts

Tor in - Al Horford

Hou in - Amir Johnson, Steve Novak

Thoughts?

Raptors are giving up the least yet getting the most out of these deals. Throw those picks towards Golden State or Houston and insert Ross to the Hawks, you can't just expect other teams to supply the value for you while you walk away cackling.

Of course, these are just the basics of the deals. And like Jamaaliver stated, some tweaking would have to be done. Although the Raptors are giving up their best all-around big and two first round picks for a guy who has missed huge chunks of time in the last couple years... In the first trade, Landry could be substituted for Salmons, who only has $1 million guaranteed, giving you about $5 million more in cap space, 2 first rounders, a good young prospect and a pretty good F/C.

By the way, i think Amir and Novak to Houston is good value for Asik (probably not enough to add in Donatas though, I admit) as Amir is criminally underrated and Novak adds extra 3-point shooting that I believe that Houston needs. Also with Golden State, they were rumoured to be interested in Amir at the trade deadline, so I'm just sort of guessing how much they value him. I think they're going to give up on Barnes, and Atl would be a good spot for him to land

It's quite possible GSW moves Barnes this off-season and ATL could be a destination but I'd hate to see the W's go after AJ. I just don't trust his long term health at all, the most I'd offer for AJ would be something involving Ezeli.

If ATL wants Barnes then I'd hope GSW would go after something like the Carroll/Mack deal I suggested a few months ago and then sign DC to a 3+ year contract.

There are just too many red flags surrounding Amir's long term health and I wouldn't pay a premium for him if I was another NBA team. I understand Raps fans' affinity for a hard working, energy player that's gotten better over time but I think many of them overrate his league wide value by ignoring his red flag injury issues.

[hawkschop1]

Consider this:

Al Horford to the lakers for Steve Nash, and filler(s) via sign & trade (i.e. wesley johnson and/or jordan hill), 2014 1st round pick

Firstly, would the lakers do this? Secondly, if your name was Danny Ferry would you?

Kobe gets another All-star running mate creating a nice front court with Pau who will be resigned because everyone knows Kobe loves Pau. Mitch Kupchak gets to dumb Nash's 9+ million on us

Ferry gets the opportunity to potentially draft his very own "Tim Duncan". Nash becomes DS17's personal mentor. Wesley Johnson > Cartier Martin as the backup SF. Jordan hill is no scrub in terms of rebounding which is what we need.


teague schroder nash
korver williams jenkins
carroll johnson
millsap hill ayon/brand/scott
antic - muscala


*I think bebe will be left in spain again to mature and Mack isn't showing up since the ASG.

This isn't a win now move but nothing Ferry does really is at this point and this will give us more of what he loves...finical flexibility moving forward...

Assuming Nash actually plays the season in a hawks uniform I'd be for it! I think? haha

I'm up way too late! Gimme your thoughts! But don't shoot the messenger...just an idea...

[dms269]

Consider this:

Al Horford to the lakers for Steve Nash, and filler(s) via sign & trade (i.e. wesley johnson and/or jordan hill), 2014 1st round pick

Firstly, would the lakers do this? Secondly, if your name was Danny Ferry would you?

Kobe gets another All-star running mate creating a nice front court with Pau who will be resigned because everyone knows Kobe loves Pau. Mitch Kupchak gets to dumb Nash's 9+ million on us

Ferry gets the opportunity to potentially draft his very own "Tim Duncan". Nash becomes DS17's personal mentor. Wesley Johnson > Cartier Martin as the backup SF. Jordan hill is no scrub in terms of rebounding which is what we need.


teague schroder nash
korver williams jenkins
carroll johnson
millsap hill ayon/brand/scott
antic - muscala


*I think bebe will be left in spain again to mature and Mack isn't showing up since the ASG.

This isn't a win now move but nothing Ferry does really is at this point and this will give us more of what he loves...finical flexibility moving forward...

Assuming Nash actually plays the season in a hawks uniform I'd be for it! I think? haha

I'm up way too late! Gimme your thoughts! But don't shoot the messenger...just an idea...

This is really a "where do the pingpong balls fall" type of question. Right now they are tied for 4th pre lottery (4-6 have the same record). Let's just say the Lakers have a top 3 pick. I don't see a reason why the Lakers would do it. This concept was brought up before and was a debate between some of us about whether Kobe would want a young guy or would trade for a veteran. I honestly don't think it truly matters what Kobe would want since they need a young guy to build around for the future and a high pick in this draft can be that.

I see Nash pulling a GP if he is traded to us.

[hawkschop1]

Thanks for your opinion and insight! You are probably right lakers will tell Kobe to be quiet and keep the pick. A 3rd overall could be more valuable than Horford these days, sadly.

[theatlfan]

Surprised where some of this led...

1st, I have to disagree with what seems to be the consensus in that Adams is more of a backup type guy in the future - that is what he is now as a 20 yo. I still think he could develop (be developed?) into a Andrew Bogut type - elite D in all phases with good-to-very good O who can be a weapon in the PNR game. It might take a year or two, but I could see him settling in as our starting C for the next decade. He's really one of the few prospects currently in the NBA that is playing on a good team who would make me seriously consider trading Horford.

2nd, the 2 TOR trades are very *meh* to me. I'd think we'd want someone with high level potential if we're dealing Horford and a couple of mid-1sts just doesn't hit that standard. Barnes is interesting to me, but nowhere close to that interesting.

Al Horford to the lakers for Steve Nash, and filler(s) via sign & trade (i.e. wesley johnson and/or jordan hill), 2014 1st round pick

Have to agree with uga_dawgs24 here: if LAL ends up with a top 3-5 pick, then there's no way they trade it without getting a Durant/LBJ type return.

The more interesting scenario for me is what do they do if they drop into the 6-8 range. The top of the line guys will be off the board and the 2nd tier, while interesting, aren't the type of prospects that satisfy a multi-billion $$ TV deal either. The deal I keep coming back to is Teague for Nash + #6-8. The rationale for LAL is to unload Nash for someone who'd seem a better fit next to Kobe - since Teague can at least play passable D against the opposing PG - and create enough cap room to make a run at LBJ (depends on factors here, but using the standard estimates for cap and reasonable assumptions as to their FA preferences, they could offer him his max after the deal). For us, Nash would hopefully be our veteran bridge to Schröder and Mack, but if he retires then we're paying ~$10M for a top 10 pick.

[Mattya]

Any interest in a Pekovic, Budinger or LRMAM for Milsap and Korver deal?

[Jamaaliver]

Any interest in a Pekovic, Budinger or LRMAM for Milsap and Korver deal?

Let's just say, 'you have our attention'...

[Rapsobsessed7]

what would it take for Toronto to get Horford or Millsap?

DeMar, JV, Lowry & Ross i would presume would be off limits. Not sure if theres anything there pick wise or possibly with cap relief that entices you.

[Jamaaliver]

what would it take for Toronto to get Horford or Millsap?

DeMar, JV, Lowry & Ross i would presume would be off limits. Not sure if theres anything there pick wise or possibly with cap relief that entices you.

Without those key assets involved, there is absolutely no reason for us to make the trade...it takes something to get something.

[MaceCase]

Any interest in a Pekovic, Budinger or LRMAM for Milsap and Korver deal?

The Wolves are motivated to move Pek I guess because he's a poor defensive fit with Love and Dieng has emerged but then I don't see the interest in Sap unless you are moving on from Love too....or like Sap as depth that will later expire.

Either way, the organization has put a bit of marketing muscle behind both Sap and Korver (yes, it is rare for the Hawks) so I don't see a situation where both are moved for a player of Pek's caliber especially when he'll also impact the team's plans in the 2015 free agency.

[Mattya]

Any interest in a Pekovic, Budinger or LRMAM for Milsap and Korver deal?

The Wolves are motivated to move Pek I guess because he's a poor defensive fit with Love and Dieng has emerged but then I don't see the interest in Sap unless you are moving on from Love too....or like Sap as depth that will later expire.

Either way, the organization has put a bit of marketing muscle behind both Sap and Korver (yes, it is rare for the Hawks) so I don't see a situation where both are moved for a player of Pek's caliber especially when he'll also impact the team's plans in the 2015 free agency.

I really don't think they will or necessarily want to move Pek. Dieng's late season emergence just means that the Wolves 1. have added strength to their bench 2. found a player who fits really well with their best player 3. also allows us to keep Pek's minutes low.

I just think the need for Pekovic is much less for my team than the need for some much need wing/bench help.

[Rapsobsessed7]

what would it take for Toronto to get Horford or Millsap?

DeMar, JV, Lowry & Ross i would presume would be off limits. Not sure if theres anything there pick wise or possibly with cap relief that entices you.

Without those key assets involved, there is absolutely no reason for us to make the trade...it takes something to get something.

In all fairness if you expect more for Millsap than what Deng got (coming off a all-star appearance, 1 year younger than Millsap) your kidding yourself. Millsap will be a expiring contract at the deadline, Horford I get but he's coming off 2 season ending injuries. I do think he has more value because he's younger and locked into a longer contract.

So Horford I understand and presumably would need Ross in the deal. Millsap, however, I think is very doable without those pieces I mentioned.