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Post#21 » by Novocaine » Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:51 am

dorkestra wrote:did he run a marathon before the game or something? he looks so tired and sweaty right from the start. looks like he has a nice feel for the game and good offensive awareness. i still think he'll be a major liability on defense whether he's playing PF or SF.


He can't and won't play SF.

As a 4, I don't know. He has obvious physical limitations, but he's one of the most intense defensive players I've ever seen. Unfortunately, most of that intensity is expressed through his hands. He'd be a foul magnet playing the same way in the NBA. Still, I think his effort and motor will help him to become, if not a good defender, at least not worse than a minor liability.

Still worried about how much of a risk-taker he is and about his long-range shot. He's a bit slow arming his shot, but it feels like they should fall more often.

While watching a couple of Cibona's games, liked Darko Planinic as cheap FA signing for a NBA team in the future. Big, though, crafty, nice touch around the rim.
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Post#22 » by doordoor123 » Tue Apr 1, 2014 9:07 pm

I'm quickly starting to not like Saric. It seems that he think he's a megastar and wants to be treated like a princess. I'm sure it wasn't his dad's idea that Saric doesn't want to be hazed. There was a report today that Saric's father said he won't allow Saric to be hazed in his first season. That means no pink backpack and no buying anything for anyone (he specifically said Doughnuts).

Still, I see Rudy Fernandez all over again. He's going to hate the NBA and go back to the European league where he's a star. There's no way he develops chemistry with a team if he refuses to be hazed as a rookie. I'm getting a bad feeling about him.

And I feel like he's a guy that would be pissed if he wasn't picked first overall even though he isn't even projected till after 10. At least.
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Post#23 » by 165bows » Tue Apr 1, 2014 9:24 pm

doordoor123 wrote:I'm quickly starting to not like Saric. It seems that he think he's a megastar and wants to be treated like a princess. I'm sure it wasn't his dad's idea that Saric doesn't want to be hazed. There was a report today that Saric's father said he won't allow Saric to be hazed in his first season. That means no pink backpack and no buying anything for anyone (he specifically said Doughnuts).

Still, I see Rudy Fernandez all over again. He's going to hate the NBA and go back to the European league where he's a star. There's no way he develops chemistry with a team if he refuses to be hazed as a rookie. I'm getting a bad feeling about him.

And I feel like he's a guy that would be pissed if he wasn't picked first overall even though he isn't even projected till after 10. At least.


There was a series of tweets on Givony's twitter a week or two back saying that since Saric fired his agents recently, they have been smearing him in the US press. I don't remember all the details, but he basically called out USAToday and ESPN's Chad Ford regarding how they were printing both sides of the agents' version of him (obviously highly positive when he was paying them, not flattering after) without any other sources to cross-reference. I think it was the same guy as Darko Milicic's agent.

I have no idea if he is good or not, or what he is like, but I thought that it was interesting, and I like that Givony isn't shy about criticizing what he sees as BS.
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Post#24 » by Kevin Willis » Sat Apr 5, 2014 5:28 pm

He can be an Anderson type player. A guard in a big man's body. More athletic Boris Diaw. I have only seen him twice and I don't see Gallo ( not as athletic ) or Turk ( better motor) but a skilled big that should go to a half court team.
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Post#25 » by pohani komarac » Sun Apr 6, 2014 1:12 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:He can be an Anderson type player. A guard in a big man's body. More athletic Boris Diaw. I have only seen him twice and I don't see Gallo ( not as athletic ) or Turk ( better motor) but a skilled big that should go to a half court team.


in ofense he is best at open court
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Post#26 » by Kevin Willis » Sun Apr 6, 2014 2:23 pm

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Kevin Willis wrote:He can be an Anderson type player. A guard in a big man's body. More athletic Boris Diaw. I have only seen him twice and I don't see Gallo ( not as athletic ) or Turk ( better motor) but a skilled big that should go to a half court team.


in ofense he is best at open court


Maybe in Europe but he's not that fast or athletic and I can't see him running with a team like Phoenix, Miami, Clippers, Houston, etc.

A team that does opportunistic or slow break maybe. Like San Antonio or Washington.
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Post#27 » by pohani komarac » Sun Apr 6, 2014 3:22 pm

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pohani komarac wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:He can be an Anderson type player. A guard in a big man's body. More athletic Boris Diaw. I have only seen him twice and I don't see Gallo ( not as athletic ) or Turk ( better motor) but a skilled big that should go to a half court team.


in ofense he is best at open court


Maybe in Europe but he's not that fast or athletic and I can't see him running with a team like Phoenix, Miami, Clippers, Houston, etc.

A team that does opportunistic or slow break maybe. Like San Antonio or Washington.


he can run as any PF in game, + he can grab rebound and start transition by pass or drible better then any pf in game
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Post#28 » by Kevin Willis » Sun Apr 6, 2014 4:25 pm

Ah so you see him as a pf. I see him as as a tall sf. As a pf yes he would be fine but then he would have a hard time in the post.
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Post#29 » by Nolan » Sun Apr 6, 2014 4:39 pm

I love his game but its hard to ignore all the other issues. I can easily see him slipping out of the lottery and ending up as another Rudy Fernandez.
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Post#30 » by pohani komarac » Sun Apr 6, 2014 5:16 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:Ah so you see him as a pf. I see him as as a tall sf. As a pf yes he would be fine but then he would have a hard time in the post.


he is tough and has good body to play as pf in nba. his body especially his toughnes is underreated. he has good body for his age, and more important he is tough. in nba he will have more problems on ofense then on defese. his will and his toughnes will make him atleast average defender
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Post#31 » by Novocaine » Sun Apr 6, 2014 6:49 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:Ah so you see him as a pf. I see him as as a tall sf. As a pf yes he would be fine but then he would have a hard time in the post.


That strictly means he's right and you're wrong.

It's amusing that there are still people who see Saric as a SF. Does this discussion still exist? He plays as a pure face-up PF.
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Post#32 » by pohani komarac » Sun Apr 6, 2014 9:43 pm

Impacien wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:Ah so you see him as a pf. I see him as as a tall sf. As a pf yes he would be fine but then he would have a hard time in the post.


That strictly means he's right and you're wrong.

It's amusing that there are still people who see Saric as a SF. Does this discussion still exist? He plays as a pure face-up PF.



he mixes inside and outside game

bouth on average level. on ofense besides transition game he can be described as jack of all trades master of none
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Post#33 » by Kevin Willis » Sun Apr 6, 2014 11:21 pm

Impacien wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:Ah so you see him as a pf. I see him as as a tall sf. As a pf yes he would be fine but then he would have a hard time in the post.


That strictly means he's right and you're wrong.

It's amusing that there are still people who see Saric as a SF. Does this discussion still exist? He plays as a pure face-up PF.


I don't care about right and wrong. I think he has the skill level to play SF too. With small ball he may be fine as a stretch 4 but there's not many point-PF in the league. I can't think of one. There are several point-SF in the league though and his playmaking ability is excellent.

This discussion will always exist because of how unique a player he is. It's not a negative thing. Most would say Pierce / Anthony are SFs but guess what they are playing PF. Does that discussion exist? They have the ability to play more than one position in small ball and switch back to SF with the right line up. He's not a tweener with no defined position, he's a player with the skill-set to play TWO positions.
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Post#34 » by pohani komarac » Wed Apr 9, 2014 5:58 pm

had TD last game. 20+13+10

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Post#35 » by Novocaine » Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:07 pm

pohani komarac wrote:
Impacien wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:Ah so you see him as a pf. I see him as as a tall sf. As a pf yes he would be fine but then he would have a hard time in the post.


That strictly means he's right and you're wrong.

It's amusing that there are still people who see Saric as a SF. Does this discussion still exist? He plays as a pure face-up PF.



he mixes inside and outside game

bouth on average level. on ofense besides transition game he can be described as jack of all trades master of none


He'll specialize as he develops and at a higher pace the sooner he joins the NBA. He'll rely on speed, ball-handling and jump-shot to score, operating from the mid-post out.

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Impacien wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:Ah so you see him as a pf. I see him as as a tall sf. As a pf yes he would be fine but then he would have a hard time in the post.


That strictly means he's right and you're wrong.

It's amusing that there are still people who see Saric as a SF. Does this discussion still exist? He plays as a pure face-up PF.


I don't care about right and wrong. I think he has the skill level to play SF too. With small ball he may be fine as a stretch 4 but there's not many point-PF in the league. I can't think of one. There are several point-SF in the league though and his playmaking ability is excellent.

This discussion will always exist because of how unique a player he is. It's not a negative thing. Most would say Pierce / Anthony are SFs but guess what they are playing PF. Does that discussion exist? They have the ability to play more than one position in small ball and switch back to SF with the right line up. He's not a tweener with no defined position, he's a player with the skill-set to play TWO positions.


He doesn't have the skill level to be a SF, a point forward:

- he's too reckless with the ball. Takes way too many risks. He's an incredibly creative playmaker but not the type of player you want as the primary one in your team.
- he lacks the ball-handling and the first step to beat NBA wings off the dribble.
- he isn't that good of a decision maker off the pick'n'roll as the ball-handling man.
- he might develop into a solid 3 point shooter, I think he will, but not an elite one. His mechanics are too slow.
- his low post game isn't about overpowering smaller guys, rather outspeeding larger ones. He's a flasher, not back to basket, position based, post player.
- more importantly, he'd be hopeless trying to defend NBA wings.

As PF, he can take advantage of his quickness with and without the ball relatively to most his peers and of his ability to rebound and make the outlet pass or bring the ball up himself.

I don't care much about labelling positions, and you can simply call him a forward, or an hybrid forward, but in NBA teams he'll be the second slowest/largest player on court, one of the two guys playing closer to the rim defensively, in most situations.
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Post#36 » by Novocaine » Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:16 pm

Just watch the highlights video pohani posted above if you have any doubt about the type of player Saric will be.

All his successful actions come from him playing as the screen man on the 2-men ballscreen game, from the mid-post, offensive rebounds and whenever he attacked from beyond the 3 point line was either a catch'n'shoot after popping of a screen or in the context of a fastbreak after getting the defensive rebound/steal. Also note how tenacious and physical he gets defending and rebounding inside.

This isn't the Saric of the international youth tournaments and it seems to me lots of people still have that player in mind.
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Post#37 » by Kevin Willis » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:33 am

Yes I have to admit I am going by his youth tournaments. He was not a banger at all, he was more flashy than banger. I will look at his games this season.
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Post#38 » by pohani komarac » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:58 pm

Impacien wrote:
This isn't the Saric of the international youth tournaments and it seems to me lots of people still have that player in mind.


it also tels about his detrmination and bb iq to make it. chand his game completley at pro level from what he playd in yuth tournaments when he realized his limitations. after strugle at first he he is now best player in leagues he played

to bad he won't be ablel to play like he used to as we will never watch "real" Saric, but atlest he should develope at good role player and show some flashes of his "real" game from time to time
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Re: Dario Saric 

Post#39 » by ManualRam » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:22 pm

i don't think he'd have ANY physical or athletic advantages at the PF position. if he's projected as strictly a PF, i think he loses a lot of his luster as a prospect.
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Post#40 » by PhilasFinest » Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:41 pm

Doesn't he struggle too shoot the ball as well???

I just can't see this kid becoming anything special.

Rudy Fernandez was a euro primadonna, but he was quick, could shoot the 3,handle the ball and finish.


Outside of handling the ball well for a big, what skill set does he possess thats elite or even above average ?
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