Are we the most idiotic franchise in the NBA...

[ARoS]

Why on earth haven't we shut down Moose, Stuckey et al for the season, in favour of giving the young guys some PT to see what they're worth, and securing the 7th worst record?

I bet we let Siva and Mitchell walk in the summer without properly knowing what they can do.

Stuckey will be gone so why are we letting him get us needless wins?

How stupid does one organisation want to be. Just when you thought we couldnt be any more ridiculous, we somehow manage to surpass it further.

If we get jumped on lottery night, in favour of beating Boston and Milwaukee (when we were down heavily to both), it will surely be just deserts for our incredibly inept and (Please Use More Appropriate Word) season.

Bunch of morons, everywhere you look - morons.

[DBC10]

This organization doesn't have the semblance of thought of rebuilding or building a team for the future. We really lucked out with grabbing Monroe and Dre in their respective draft spots. They really don't believe in full rebuilds because "something something Pistons pride something something DEEEETROIT BASKETBALL!"

It's honestly delusional. "Pride goes before the fall" is a line I would use to describe this team and organization.

[MotownMadness]

You dont want to shut down guys like Moose or Drummond because they are part of the future but there is no reason Stuckey should be out there logging in those kinda minutes winning us ball games at this point. Its just idiotic and taking away time from the young guys who should be getting theyre chance to play now.

[Han Solo]

Can't lose them all..

[princeofpalace]

We should be rolling with this rotation and "resting" Smith, Stuckey and Bynum. We need to see what we have in our young guys and not overplaying guys who clearly arent part of the future. Thats what makes us dumb, we are terrible and being terrible with vets and not exploring what we have with our youth.

We are terrible and coaching and GMs just want to keep going with rosters that they already know don't work instead of switching it up. That terrifies me. Being a fan of this team is so difficult.

Jennings/Siva
KCP/Singler
Singler/Datome
Monroe/Mitchell/Jerebko
Drummond/Harrelson

[Ghost]

You dont want to shut down guys like Moose or Drummond because they are part of the future but there is no reason Stuckey should be out there logging in those kinda minutes winning us ball games at this point. Its just idiotic and taking away time from the young guys who should be getting theyre chance to play now.

Yeah, I agree. Giving Stuckey minutes at this point is like giving Charlie Villinueva minutes, there's absolutely no logic to it (unless Loyer actually think his job is to try to put together the most successful lineup and win games yet).

I feel like KCP should be getting all of Stuckey's minutes, all Loyer is doing now is hurting KCP's development. He started increasing the amount of minutes for Peyton Siva, why not do the same for the guy who is for sure part of the process going forward. I would like to see KCP given the ball in the halfcourt, maybe some isolation settings, or let him run off some screens and catch-and-shoot. Basically do everything possible to try to get him a bit more aggressive on that end of the floor and see if he can locate his jumpshot consistently. He's going to be here next year, I imagine he's going to be the starting shooting guard. Why not give him 30+ minutes per game?

[DonVitoReturns]

You dont want to shut down guys like Moose or Drummond because they are part of the future but there is no reason Stuckey should be out there logging in those kinda minutes winning us ball games at this point. Its just idiotic and taking away time from the young guys who should be getting theyre chance to play now.

Yeah, I agree. Giving Stuckey minutes at this point is like giving Charlie Villinueva minutes, there's absolutely no logic to it (unless Loyer actually think his job is to try to put together the most successful lineup and win games yet).

I feel like KCP should be getting all of Stuckey's minutes, all Loyer is doing now is hurting KCP's development. He started increasing the amount of minutes for Peyton Siva, why not do the same for the guy who is for sure part of the process going forward. I would like to see KCP given the ball in the halfcourt, maybe some isolation settings, or let him run off some screens and catch-and-shoot. Basically do everything possible to try to get him a bit more aggressive on that end of the floor and see if he can locate his jumpshot consistently. He's going to be here next year, I imagine he's going to be the starting shooting guard. Why not give him 30+ minutes per game?

Loyer's job IS to try and win games. He's working for his next job, and he's working for his salary. He's not being paid to lose games.

KCP is not a "definite part of this process" going forward. He's been mediocre on a terrible team. Very questionable going forward. Stuckey may suck, but they stand a better chance of winning with him than KCP on the floor right now. So Loyer's decision is obvious.

As long as this team has a coach, that coach is going to try to win games with what he feels is the best lineup.

[Defor]

We have started giving Siva alot more minutes , but only because Bynum's hurt. This organization from owner to coach is clueless.

[DCintheD]

yes

[rmfc]

Yes.

Why is Stuckey (and CV) still playing for the Pistons?

[ComboGuardCity]

Yes.

Why is Stuckey (and CV) still playing for the Pistons?

Because a healthy scratch of an expiring player will get the Player's Associate riled up and in turn absolutely kill the PR and image of the organization.

[rmfc]

Yes.

Why is Stuckey (and CV) still playing for the Pistons?

Because a healthy scratch of an expiring player will get the Player's Associate riled up and in turn absolutely kill the PR and image of the organization.

Don't need to "scratch" him. Just say you would like to give PT to young players and minimize Stuckey's time on court. I am pretty sure that Stuckey is not the only player with expiring contract whose PT gets cut down when it's obvious that the team is not even remotely close to winning anything.

What's next? PT for CV??

[Ghost]

Loyer's job IS to try and win games. He's working for his next job, and he's working for his salary. He's not being paid to lose games.

KCP is not a "definite part of this process" going forward. He's been mediocre on a terrible team. Very questionable going forward. Stuckey may suck, but they stand a better chance of winning with him than KCP on the floor right now. So Loyer's decision is obvious.

As long as this team has a coach, that coach is going to try to win games with what he feels is the best lineup.

Haven't a lot of members went and trashed this organization for the lack of ability to develop talent? At this point in the season, I'm sure Loyer's job is to actually work on developing talent and evaluating where the players really are that are going to be apart of the team next year... It's not like the Pistons are in the playoff hunt. If he happens to win games while playing the guys that he should be utilizing, that's great.
The Celtics and Kings are sitting players out with injuries longer than they would be if they were actually playing for something and at the same time they are playing their young players 40 MPG...

Working for his next job? He's not going to get another job as a head coach in the NBA... he shouldn't have got this one . Wasn't he just labeled like the worst current head coach in the league? Will winning or losing games really hurt his chances at being an assistant somewhere? I doubt that.

You draft a guy #8 and he doesn't get a real chance to play and he's "not a" definite part of the process going forward? How can you say that and I can't say he is? If you burn that high of a pick, the guy should be a definite part of the process going forward until he proves that he really isn't. It's not like anyone can label KCP a bust right now. How about you play the guy 30+ minutes for the last **** 5 games of the season and see what he does?

[rmfc]

Working for his next job? He's not going to get another job as a head coach in the NBA... he shouldn't have got this one .

[wallace72]

Idiotic no, it's genetic.

It's starts all at the top off the pyramid, and go all the way down to the bottom.
Bad owner
Bad GM
Bad Coach
Bad lockerroom
= bad results

[DonVitoReturns]

Loyer's job IS to try and win games. He's working for his next job, and he's working for his salary. He's not being paid to lose games.

KCP is not a "definite part of this process" going forward. He's been mediocre on a terrible team. Very questionable going forward. Stuckey may suck, but they stand a better chance of winning with him than KCP on the floor right now. So Loyer's decision is obvious.

As long as this team has a coach, that coach is going to try to win games with what he feels is the best lineup.

Haven't a lot of members went and trashed this organization for the lack of ability to develop talent? At this point in the season, I'm sure Loyer's job is to actually work on developing talent and evaluating where the players really are that are going to be apart of the team next year... It's not like the Pistons are in the playoff hunt. If he happens to win games while playing the guys that he should be utilizing, that's great.
The Celtics and Kings are sitting players out with injuries longer than they would be if they were actually playing for something and at the same time they are playing their young players 40 MPG...

Working for his next job? He's not going to get another job as a head coach in the NBA... he shouldn't have got this one . Wasn't he just labeled like the worst current head coach in the league? Will winning or losing games really hurt his chances at being an assistant somewhere? I doubt that.

You draft a guy #8 and he doesn't get a real chance to play and he's "not a" definite part of the process going forward? How can you say that and I can't say he is? If you burn that high of a pick, the guy should be a definite part of the process going forward until he proves that he really isn't. It's not like anyone can label KCP a bust right now. How about you play the guy 30+ minutes for the last **** 5 games of the season and see what he does?

Loyer is being paid to win games. If he isn't they shouldn't charge anyone for the remaining games they play and refund season ticket holders for the remaining games.

Yes, he's working to earn his salary and working for his next job. Not worried about developing talent on a team he'll be leaving. I didn't say his next job will be a head coach. He needs to do his best to try and win games. If the organization really wants to just develop talent with this many games remaining, Gores should coach the team for the final few games and announce his plan to develop talent. He's not accountable to anyone, so he could do it. Not happening, so they try to win with the best active players on the roster.

KCP has been underwhelming. He played a lot with Cheeks, and much of the time he was invisible offensively. To say he's a definite part of the future is ludicrous. He MAY be a part of the future. KCP has a long way to go to be a real contributor in the NBA. He needs to get better by putting in a lot of hard work during the offseason. These final games won't do jack for his true development.

[The Penguin]

Loyer's job IS to try and win games. He's working for his next job, and he's working for his salary. He's not being paid to lose games.

KCP is not a "definite part of this process" going forward. He's been mediocre on a terrible team. Very questionable going forward. Stuckey may suck, but they stand a better chance of winning with him than KCP on the floor right now. So Loyer's decision is obvious.

As long as this team has a coach, that coach is going to try to win games with what he feels is the best lineup.

Haven't a lot of members went and trashed this organization for the lack of ability to develop talent? At this point in the season, I'm sure Loyer's job is to actually work on developing talent and evaluating where the players really are that are going to be apart of the team next year... It's not like the Pistons are in the playoff hunt. If he happens to win games while playing the guys that he should be utilizing, that's great.
The Celtics and Kings are sitting players out with injuries longer than they would be if they were actually playing for something and at the same time they are playing their young players 40 MPG...

Working for his next job? He's not going to get another job as a head coach in the NBA... he shouldn't have got this one . Wasn't he just labeled like the worst current head coach in the league? Will winning or losing games really hurt his chances at being an assistant somewhere? I doubt that.

You draft a guy #8 and he doesn't get a real chance to play and he's "not a" definite part of the process going forward? How can you say that and I can't say he is? If you burn that high of a pick, the guy should be a definite part of the process going forward until he proves that he really isn't. It's not like anyone can label KCP a bust right now. How about you play the guy 30+ minutes for the last **** 5 games of the season and see what he does?

Loyer is being paid to win games. If he isn't they shouldn't charge anyone for the remaining games they play and refund season ticket holders for the remaining games.

Yes, he's working to earn his salary and working for his next job. Not worried about developing talent on a team he'll be leaving. I didn't say his next job will be a head coach. He needs to do his best to try and win games. If the organization really wants to just develop talent with this many games remaining, Gores should coach the team for the final few games and announce his plan to develop talent. He's not accountable to anyone, so he could do it. Not happening, so they try to win with the best active players on the roster.

KCP has been underwhelming. He played a lot with Cheeks, and much of the time he was invisible offensively. To say he's a definite part of the future is ludicrous. He MAY be a part of the future. KCP has a long way to go to be a real contributor in the NBA. He needs to get better by putting in a lot of hard work during the offseason. These final games won't do jack for his true development.

Exactly right. Loyer and Dumars have zero incentive to tank for the pick. They aren't going to be back next year and they are worried about their next jobs. As much as we all know we should tank the heck out of this year, we weren't mathematically eliminated from the playoffs until Atlanta beat Indy yesterday. I'm curious now that we are officially eliminated if we'll see some changes to the rotation.

It's pretty clear Boston is losing on purpose while we are most definitely not, it'd be nice to see karma (or the league) reward that.