Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

mhd · Post #421 » by **mhd** » Sat Apr 5, 2014 5:51 pm

I'd rather try and see if we could trade Nene for an expiring, and go after Love in FA.

go'stags · Post #422 » by **go'stags** » Sat Apr 5, 2014 10:01 pm

Definitely a lot of over-thinking going on. If you can trade Beal+Porter for Love, you do it in a heartbeat. Resign Ariza and Gortat and make the conference finals once or twice (an maybe more? who knows), until you can find a "perfect fit" as a center next to Love. I also think people are underrating Gortat as a defender, and how great Wall-Love-Gortat would be offensively.

BTW, while we are talking about things we don't really know about (guys psyche and how it plays out on the court), it seems (gotta love that word) that guys like Love start caring less about stats as they get older and more about winning.

Hidden Eye · Post #423 » by **Hidden Eye** » Sun Apr 6, 2014 2:56 pm

I wouldn't even trade Nene and try and get Love who is just another jumpshooter PF.

He has injury issues and is a liability on D, need a player who can produce on both ends or have one that overcome the other which he doesn't have.

hands11 · Post #424 » by **hands11** » Sun Apr 6, 2014 4:30 pm

go'stags wrote:Definitely a lot of over-thinking going on. If you can trade Beal+Porter for Love, you do it in a heartbeat. Resign Ariza and Gortat and make the conference finals once or twice (an maybe more? who knows), until you can find a "perfect fit" as a center next to Love. I also think people are underrating Gortat as a defender, and how great Wall-Love-Gortat would be offensively.

BTW, while we are talking about things we don't really know about (guys psyche and how it plays out on the court), it seems (gotta love that word) that guys like Love start caring less about stats as they get older and more about winning.

Didn't work that way for Melo.

Sluggerface · Post #425 » by **Sluggerface** » Sun Apr 6, 2014 5:31 pm

Hidden Eye wrote:I wouldn't even trade Nene and try and get Love who is just another jumpshooter PF.

He has injury issues and is a liability on D, need a player who can produce on both ends or have one that overcome the other which he doesn't have.

How does Love's offense not overcome his defensive ability (which has improved over his career btw.)?

Love's become one of the more dangerous post players in the NBA. He's not just a jump shooter.

http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/playe ... 3-2014-REG

go'stags · Post #426 » by **go'stags** » Sun Apr 6, 2014 7:44 pm

hands11 wrote:
go'stags wrote:Definitely a lot of over-thinking going on. If you can trade Beal+Porter for Love, you do it in a heartbeat. Resign Ariza and Gortat and make the conference finals once or twice (an maybe more? who knows), until you can find a "perfect fit" as a center next to Love. I also think people are underrating Gortat as a defender, and how great Wall-Love-Gortat would be offensively.

BTW, while we are talking about things we don't really know about (guys psyche and how it plays out on the court), it seems (gotta love that word) that guys like Love start caring less about stats as they get older and more about winning.

Didn't work that way for Melo.

Disagree. Carmelo def cares about winning, his team just isn't doing it.

Dark Faze · Post #427 » by **Dark Faze** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 2:27 pm

Getting the 7th and 8th seeds in this conference is basically just an acknowledgement that you weren't tanking at this point. We're not even close to sniffing the Gil/Caron/Twan teams' jockstrap right now. With a healthy Nene we might be a bit better, but we all know how often that's a thing.

I can't extend Gortat or Ariza. We can't afford to halt Porters development any further. You've got to throw him at the wolves next year and if he's a bust he's a bust. Our only hope is the development of our young players and potential that exists when we have cap space. I'll take short contract filler centers--Hill, Okafor, Dalembert, etc over extending Gortat. He's simply not that good. The type of free agent big you put long term money into is a guy like Al Jeff who has basically single handedly elevated that team to playoff status--which is depressing considering he's about to put that team ahead of us in the standings despite how much better we are overall in regards to talent. The Cats have three lottery picks that have quesitonable worth in free agency in Kemba, MKG and Biyombo and yet the Al Jeff signing alone is about to put them over our team.

dobrojim · Post #428 » by **dobrojim** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 2:41 pm

wasn't that long ago AlJeff had a pretty poor rep as a defender which
diminished his overall rep a fair amount IMO. And that he rarely (ever?)
has been in the post season. CHA took a chance and it's paying off hugely
for them the way it looks right now. Re-Gortat, it's all about not over-paying
or making the contract too long. I'd welcome Ok back if I had some assurance
that he could play 65-75 games. Hill would be ok on a modest deal. Dalembert,
no thanks. You'd almost certainly overpay for him.

Dark Faze · Post #429 » by **Dark Faze** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 2:49 pm

The problem is that there's almost no chance that Ariza and Gortat take less than a 3 year deal at this point. And to get them at three years you'd probably have to overpay. And agents aren't blind anyway--the Wiz have shown their hand in regards to how much they depend on both guys in terms of giving up a 1st rounder for a potential rental and letting a top 3 pick ride the pine in favor of a hot veteran. The FO's agenda is as predictable as the rising of the sun and look to get raked over the coals in contract negotiations with both players in the summer.

Hidden Eye · Post #430 » by **Hidden Eye** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 6:31 pm

Sluggerface wrote:
Hidden Eye wrote:I wouldn't even trade Nene and try and get Love who is just another jumpshooter PF.

He has injury issues and is a liability on D, need a player who can produce on both ends or have one that overcome the other which he doesn't have.

How does Love's offense not overcome his defensive ability (which has improved over his career btw.)?

Love's become one of the more dangerous post players in the NBA. He's not just a jump shooter.

http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/playe ... 3-2014-REG

He still can't play Defense and that's one decent year he had.. He isn't winning games for the Twolves. Signing him would be a huge risk. How many games would he miss.. that would be a lot.

sashae · Post #431 » by **sashae** » Tue Apr 8, 2014 2:46 pm

A risk in what sense? We're going to break up this barely-.500 squad to pick up one of the league leaders in PER? Yeah, he's not the best defensive player and yeah, he definitely tries to pad his RB stats, but he's an absolute quality player and would be lethal with Wall.

Post #432 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Apr 9, 2014 3:26 am

Hidden Eye wrote:
Sluggerface wrote:
Hidden Eye wrote:I wouldn't even trade Nene and try and get Love who is just another jumpshooter PF.

He has injury issues and is a liability on D, need a player who can produce on both ends or have one that overcome the other which he doesn't have.

How does Love's offense not overcome his defensive ability (which has improved over his career btw.)?

Love's become one of the more dangerous post players in the NBA. He's not just a jump shooter.

http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/playe ... 3-2014-REG

He still can't play Defense and that's one decent year he had.. He isn't winning games for the Twolves. Signing him would be a huge risk. How many games would he miss.. that would be a lot.

Yeah, he's been so injury-prone this season that he's only played 72 games and barely averaged over 36 minutes a game.

hands11 · Post #433 » by **hands11** » Wed Apr 9, 2014 6:02 am

So anyone catching what the Swaggy P is doing

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3243/nick-young

Dude is averaging 17 pts and only started 9 games out of 59

deneem4 · Post #434 » by **deneem4** » Wed Apr 9, 2014 7:21 am

Nick young was my favorite player along with wall back then...He's streaky but when he's on he's on...
I See Tht In Rice jr...Wished Him AND Porter Came Off The Bench Together...

Il trade nene with the quickness for anything, if he's was healthy we'll probably be the 3rd seed instead we might be the 7th...

Nivek · Post #435 » by **Nivek** » Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:07 pm

hands11 wrote:So anyone catching what the Swaggy P is doing

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3243/nick-young

Dude is averaging 17 pts and only started 9 games out of 59

Also averaging MORE THAN 2.5 rebounds per game for only the second time in his career. And more than an assists per game too. Really a break-out year for Young.

:nonono:

stevemcqueen1 · Post #436 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:46 pm

I hate watching Nick Young play almost as much as I hate watching JR Smith play.

payitforward · Post #437 » by **payitforward** » Wed Apr 9, 2014 4:32 pm

Nivek wrote:
hands11 wrote:So anyone catching what the Swaggy P is doing

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3243/nick-young

Dude is averaging 17 pts and only started 9 games out of 59

Also averaging MORE THAN 2.5 rebounds per game for only the second time in his career. And more than an assists per game too. Really a break-out year for Young.

Pretty much as usual for Hands, scoring a lot of points is the same as being a good player.

If you look at PER -- a roll-up number that overvalues shooting at almost no matter what efficiency -- Nick is above average for an SF who plays 25+ minutes.

If you look at a stat like WP48 -- that correlates to a high degree w/ numbers that determine wins/losses -- he's tied in that same group for the worst in the league.

Dat2U · Post #438 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Apr 9, 2014 4:48 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Getting the 7th and 8th seeds in this conference is basically just an acknowledgement that you weren't tanking at this point. We're not even close to sniffing the Gil/Caron/Twan teams' jockstrap right now.

Huh, you realize the trio of Gil/Caron/Twan won 42, 41 & 43 games and 43 win season was basically without Gil. I'm pretty sure this current team would match up with that one pretty well. Wall would destroy that team pretty easily because the only guy that played any defense, Brendan Haywood, typically got like 20 minutes a night. Wall would live in the paint, especially if Antawn, Etan & Michael Ruffin are your main defenders most of the night.

I agree about the not tanking part but frankly this team compares very well to those prime Arenas years (which were basically wasted IMO under Eddie & Ernie) is arguably better. But to be honest that isn't saying much. It's basically comparing one mediocre team to another.

Post #439 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Apr 9, 2014 4:58 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:I hate watching Nick Young play almost as much as I hate watching JR Smith play.

Yup. Fans love them when they're hot, but you don't win with 1 dimensional players like them.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #440 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Wed Apr 9, 2014 5:11 pm

Ruzious wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:I hate watching Nick Young play almost as much as I hate watching JR Smith play.

Yup. Fans love them when they're hot, but you don't win with 1 dimensional players like them.

Nope. They're just not smart players. They're not even the kind of one dimensional players you can stick into a limited role either. It used to drive me nuts watching Young dribble out of open catch and shoot jumpers. I'd much rather have Kyle Korver than them. You've got to have smart players to win.

What kills me is what a waste of God given talent Smith is in particular. What separates him from Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant physically? It's amazing how much of success is about the stuff going on inside of their heads.