Fry opting out?

INFORMER-93 · Post #21 » by **INFORMER-93** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:09 am

Thanks, R_W. Same to you.

I realize he's a starter, but I don't think that means much. There have always been all kinds of below-average and average players starting players all across the league. The Spurs once started Matt Bonner for a long stretch. It didn't mean much when it came time for him to negotiate a new deal.

Thabo Sefalosha is making 3.9 mil.
Danny Green is making 3.7 this year.

PJ Tuckers is in their class but he isn't better and he's arguably not as good.

Ring_Wanted · Post #22 » by **Ring_Wanted** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:32 am

Yeah, we have seen 'default' starters before, and to your point, ones that won't stick or get real NBA money, but I think this is not the case with PJ, for starters(...), because this team is winning.

Bonner got $16M from the Spurs, and one could say he is every ounce as limited as PJ, just on the other end of the court. At best.

Thabo, you know I've always been a fan, but his contract was signed at a time that he was basically about to exit the L after his tenure in Chicago. PJ is probably in the exact opposite situation (not getting into player vs player comparisons here).

Really, I think less than $3M is too low. Strictly from a team perspective, it would be great, of course.

By the way, one colateral effect to the Bledsoe-Dragic combo is that rarely you are allowed to put PJ on the point guard, as you are forced then to use Bledsoe-Goran against a SF. Many times I have found myself wanting to see Tucker defend the opposite point, but usually it can't happen. The times it's been done, the results have been pretty good, for instance against Curry.

bigfoot · Post #23 » by **bigfoot** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:18 pm

http://www.hoopsworld.com/hoopsworld-tv-channing-frye

Nice interview with Frye. Opt out or not, I'm glad he is on our team. Shooting dagger threes in the second half against the Clips. I can see him having an extended career (ala Robert Horry) because of his stretch 4/5 abilities.

Revived · Post #24 » by **Revived** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:44 am

He's a below average rebounder, below average defender, below average post player and below average passer.

It was painful watching him struggle to post up Chandler, Fournier (A GUARD) and the undersized Faried last night.

The only thing he isn't below average at is his shooting. A strict shooter who is 30 already doesn't deserve more than $5M/yr deal imo.

He's basically a rich man's Matt Bonner

Frye isn't stupid though, I don't think he will opt out. He knows he can't make more than his current deal out there.

Ring_Wanted · Post #25 » by **Ring_Wanted** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:32 am

Maybe not more per year, but by opting out he can cash in a good season by both the team and himself and he can get security for the long term.

If he becomes a free agent, I am sure there will be teams interested in him. Houston, Portland, for example.

Even if atypical, he still is a decent big man, quality backup at least. The going rate for those is easily 5M per. Robin Lopez, JJ Hickson, Zaza Pachulia, even more specialiced guys like Chuck Hayes, for instance.

If he doesn't opt out, there is no guarantee that he gets to keep his role (or his place) on the team, that everything goes as good as this season from health to individual and team performance, or that there is money available to him in 2015.

JTrain · Post #26 » by **JTrain** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:24 am

30 isn't old in the NBA anymore, especially for a player whose strengths were never based on athleticism in the first place. For all his faults, the spacing he gives us is really important.

Maybe this is too optimistic, but I think he can and will improve his post game and overall tenacity (rebounds) somewhat in the next 2-3 years. I also don't think he is fully back physically from being out an entire season with his heart condition.

Revived · Post #27 » by **Revived** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:29 am

Even before his heart condition, he wasn't that good a rebounder and didn't have a solid post game or anything either.

He may be the best 3pt shooting big man in the NBA but one trick ponies can only be worth so much.

Regardless, I can see some stupid team overpaying for him.

JTrain · Post #28 » by **JTrain** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:03 pm

SF88 wrote:Even before his heart condition, he wasn't that good a rebounder and didn't have a solid post game or anything either.

I didn't mean to imply that. I just meant that getting back to 100% physically will better enable him to begin improvement in those areas, hopefully through some good coaching.

Fo-Real · Post #29 » by **Fo-Real** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:14 pm

I think he is here to stay. Am I crazy or did he get a new tat over the break. During one of the timeouts with his back to the camera I could see what looked to be a Phx bird peaking out of the top of the back of his jersey. Like the top of the Suns bird logo.

Revived · Post #30 » by **Revived** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 6:06 am

He's the worst contract on the Suns right now. That's despite him being an expiring contract next season.

DirtyDez · Post #31 » by **DirtyDez** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 6:38 am

Saw thread and was like "yes"!

LukasBMW · Post #32 » by **LukasBMW** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 3:16 pm

Fo-Real wrote:I think he is here to stay. Am I crazy or did he get a new tat over the break. During one of the timeouts with his back to the camera I could see what looked to be a Phx bird peaking out of the top of the back of his jersey. Like the top of the Suns bird logo.

Well, that's a sign he doesn't a want to go elsewhere.

nevetsov · Post #33 » by **nevetsov** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 6:07 pm

If the FO truly wants him to opt out, you tell him that Markieff will be starting next season. His 2 options then become:

- Opt out, secure a long term deal with another team while he still has good value as a stretch big, or

- Play out his last season as a backup in limited minutes, see his value drop and then try his luck in securing another contract after that.

Puts the onus on Frye to decide what is important to him, money or environment.

Frank Lee · Post #34 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 6:21 pm

Well, he is shooting his way to 'opting in' . I'd be surprised for any team, outside of us, to commit long term (3yr) with him now, and certainly no more than 2-3 mill per. His best bet is to opt in, then see what the market brings after next season. I also believe there will be flexibility from both sides. But I'll say its a win win for the FO with either of his selections. Right now, I think his legs are gone and he is gassed. Playing 82 games is a lot harder than doing yoga everyday.

nevetsov · Post #35 » by **nevetsov** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 6:29 pm

I hear you Frank but word travels slower to those that don't have him under the microscope like we do. His reputation as a decent stretch big will precede him until at least the end of this season I reckon.

Frank Lee · Post #36 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 6:41 pm

Yeah, but remember when he signed with us ... we were in search of a PF, and the run started that yr with BC signing Amir Johnson for 6 mill, then Gooden signed for 6, and we ended up paying market price for Frye, that was IMO, inflated. GMs are much tighter now with their dough. But hey, if someone wants to overpay him again... by all means do so 8-)

Revived · Post #37 » by **Revived** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 7:19 pm

If he opts out (which I'm 99% sure he won't because he knows he won't make even close to $6M on the open market) then I wouldn't bring him back unless its on a $2M/yr type deal.

If we want a stretch 4 that badly, its not that hard to find one in the draft or something. LAL got Ryan Kelly in the 2nd rd and he looks he will develop into a decent stretch 4.

bigfoot · Post #38 » by **bigfoot** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 7:28 pm

For those Channing Frye doubters. Here's two new ESPN stats called Real Adjusted Plus Minus (RPM) and Wins Above Replacement (WAR). Note who is in the top 23 in both of them.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

The article about RPM

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10740 ... plus-minus

Fo-Real · Post #39 » by **Fo-Real** » Mon Apr 7, 2014 7:32 pm

Wiin win for the Suns.... If he opts out we can spend more money, If he opts in he is a very tradeable expiring contract.

Frank Lee · Post #40 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Apr 8, 2014 12:26 am

Is frye's statistical access attributed to him or is it he is coat tailing the success of others? I'm not buying that he is the player you numbacrunchas make him out to be. I think he is more of a piece to the puzzle than whole picture... Ie replaceable