Official Pierce & KG Thread

[exculpatory]

there is 0 chance pierce gets a 2 year deal here. and if he did it would rival the wallace trade. we would basically be throwing away any chance we have at getting under the tax, throwing away any chance at love, and thorwing away any chance at a sign and trade should durant be move prior to his free agency

it would be catastrophic.

i can see 1 year at 15M. that would make sense. 2 year would be a horrific move that sets the franchise back a few years

What about 2 years with the first year front loaded - 15 in year 1 & 5 in year 2?

I'd be ok with this too.

Cool.

[Prokorov]

there is 0 chance pierce gets a 2 year deal here. and if he did it would rival the wallace trade. we would basically be throwing away any chance we have at getting under the tax, throwing away any chance at love, and thorwing away any chance at a sign and trade should durant be move prior to his free agency

it would be catastrophic.

i can see 1 year at 15M. that would make sense. 2 year would be a horrific move that sets the franchise back a few years

What about 2 years with the first year front loaded - 15 in year 1 & 5 in year 2?

I'd be ok with this too.

that still wouldnt work... we would need pierce completely off the books and still shave 1-2 million to get under the tax. there is simply no way to keep him here in 2015 and get under the tax unless he wants to take the minimum.

a year deal only works if the second year is a team option, which would basically be a 1 year deal anyhow, although that would give us the benefit of being able to trade him, which is always good

[stepbackj34]

Pierce only 40 points away from 25k.

[Prokorov]

Pierce only 40 points away from 25k.

should get it against orlando considering he usually shows up vs the heat and should be good for 20ish against them. hawks game at the latest

[exculpatory]

Pierce only 40 points away from 25k.

You misread the stat table.

19 - NINETEEN points away from 25K points.

40 points away from his 15th consecutive season with >1000 points - 11 of those seasons between 1400 & 2100 points.

[exculpatory]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2019 ... ext-season

They sure as hell will.

His stat line since 12/1/2014 (when his hand healed) has been MEGA-efficient.
Nets are in 'Win Now' mode, Paul has plenty of elite game left & he has become a team leader.

[stepbackj34]

Pierce only 40 points away from 25k.

You misread the stat table.

19 - NINETEEN points away from 25K points.

40 points away from his 15th consecutive season with >1000 points - 11 of those seasons between 1400 & 2100 points.

[Prokorov]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2019874-should-the-brooklyn-nets-bring-back-paul-pierce-next-season

They sure as hell will.

His stat line since 12/1/2014 (when his hand healed) has been MEGA-efficient.
Nets are in 'Win Now' mode, Paul has plenty of elite game left & he has become a team leader.

bringing him back at 1 year 15M is a no brainer but if billy king sets the team back 5 years because he wants to keep us in the luxury tax giving pierce a second year im going to lose it.

i hate having king. its like you know the obvious move, and you know the moves you cant make and yet king always makes the moves you cant make.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm cool with one year at 15 mil. It isn't like we have the flexibility to sign anyone better

[Paradise]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2019874-should-the-brooklyn-nets-bring-back-paul-pierce-next-season

They sure as hell will.

His stat line since 12/1/2014 (when his hand healed) has been MEGA-efficient.
Nets are in 'Win Now' mode, Paul has plenty of elite game left & he has become a team leader.

bringing him back at 1 year 15M is a no brainer but if billy king sets the team back 5 years because he wants to keep us in the luxury tax giving pierce a second year im going to lose it.

How is he going to set the team back 5 years if Pierce gets a 2 year deal?


Going under the repeater tax is optional for ownership. Pierce making 15 million in 2015-16 helps us alot.

[Prokorov]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2019874-should-the-brooklyn-nets-bring-back-paul-pierce-next-season

They sure as hell will.

His stat line since 12/1/2014 (when his hand healed) has been MEGA-efficient.
Nets are in 'Win Now' mode, Paul has plenty of elite game left & he has become a team leader.

bringing him back at 1 year 15M is a no brainer but if billy king sets the team back 5 years because he wants to keep us in the luxury tax giving pierce a second year im going to lose it.

How is he going to set the team back 5 years if Pierce gets a 2 year deal?


Going under the repeater tax is optional for ownership. Pierce making 15 million in 2015-16 helps us alot.

because if we arent under the tax in 15-16 then we are ineligible to perform sign and trades, and its extremely unlikely that durant or love hits free agency with their teams getting nothing. thus its imperative that we are able to perform sign and trades if we want the best shot at getting either of those players, among others.

the tax has more implications then just "proky spending money" it limits what we can do in trades, free agency, and what exceptions we have

[Paradise]

bringing him back at 1 year 15M is a no brainer but if billy king sets the team back 5 years because he wants to keep us in the luxury tax giving pierce a second year im going to lose it.

How is he going to set the team back 5 years if Pierce gets a 2 year deal?


Going under the repeater tax is optional for ownership. Pierce making 15 million in 2015-16 helps us alot.

because if we arent under the tax in 15-16 then we are ineligible to perform sign and trades, and its extremely unlikely that durant or love hits free agency with their teams getting nothing. thus its imperative that we are able to perform sign and trades if we want the best shot at getting either of those players, among others.

the tax has more implications then just "proky spending money" it limits what we can do in trades, free agency, and what exceptions we have

That's a good point but It's extremely difficult to sell a 1 year deal to Pierce. It honestly might come down to either finding another way to get under the tax or letting him go which would be a huge PR disaster honestly.

[therealbig3]

Well, as of right now...we're due to pay 64 million for 4 players in 2015-2016: Deron, Johnson, Brook, and Plumlee. I think it's imperative that we trade 2 out of 3 of Deron, Johnson, and Brook for contracts that expire in 2015. Preferably Johnson and Brook, because Deron is still the best player on this team and can still help us win games (which we still need to do from 2015-2018).

[Prokorov]

That's a good point but It's extremely difficult to sell a 1 year deal to Pierce. It honestly might come down to either finding another way to get under the tax or letting him go which would be a huge PR disaster honestly.

i dont think its a hard sell it all. we are the only team that can/will offer him 15M cause we have his bird rights. any other team that wanted to give him that would need to be 15M under the cap. and signing pierce to 2 years 30m at his age is pretty insane.

he either takes 1/15 here or goes to like the clippers for the MLE or less.

there is no "other way" to get under the tax. if pierce is here at 15m its near impossible. even without pierce we'd need to shed a bit more salary to get under the tax.

letting him go wouldnt be a PR disaster. its not like we'd be letting go of julius irving or buck williams or jason kidd or anything close to that. and if comes down to signing pierce for 2 years or letting him walk, letting him walk is the ONLY move.

[Prokorov]

Well, as of right now...we're due to pay 64 million for 4 players in 2015-2016: Deron, Johnson, Brook, and Plumlee. I think it's imperative that we trade 2 out of 3 of Deron, Johnson, and Brook for contracts that expire in 2015. Preferably Johnson and Brook, because Deron is still the best player on this team and can still help us win games (which we still need to do from 2015-2018).

williams is the guy who needs to be traded the most because his money runs into 16-17. i agree he is probably the best, but he also isnt all that difficult to replace, especailly when you project his decline over the next 2-3 years.

Johnson makes the most sense to keep imo. his game doesnt rely on athleticism, so it should age well the next couple years. he comes off the books a year earlier then deron and he doesnt have the injury questions brook does.

the east is terrible and will be terrible again next season. all we need to do is stay out of the lottery, which shouldnt be all that difficult. and even if we dont... we shouldnt choose avoiding the lottery with a pick we dont own now over having the best chance to get durant.

[exculpatory]

The Truth just passed 25,000 **** points!

18th baller in NBA history to accomplish this!

**** Awesome Milestone for a still elite, magnificent, future HOFER!

1000 points at ~13 PPG in 2014-2015 & he jumps to #FOURTEEN with ~26K points.
1000 points at ~13 PPG in 2015-2016 & he jumps to freaking #TEN with ~27K points & retires.

[exculpatory]

Blog: Watch: Paul Pierce reaches 25,000-point milestone http://t.co/q3RjK8fgKb #celtics

[FirstBallotKG]

Quoted from Bleacher Report...link below

Pierce and Garnett make Brooklyn the only team with two 25,000-point scorers. And the two have combined to play in 267 playoff games—99 together.

[exculpatory]

You want to know what is really MEGA-impressive about that list - aside from having the elite skill & durability to score 25 thousand points in the NBA? 9 of the 18 Top Scorers in NBA history are bigs - the positions which generate the highest FG%. Guess who has the FIFTH highest TS% on that list at 56.9% as a WING? Paul Pierce - only Reggie, Kareem, Shaq & Dirk rank above him! That is a freaking surreal accomplishment by one of the most elite, versatile, prolific, & clutch scorers in NBA history. (Once Paul passes Reggie on that list early next season, he will be #16 All Time with the FOURTH highest TS% on that list - and the 3 guys ahead of him will ALL be bigs = world class efficiency coupled with world class productivity.)

[exculpatory]

Paul Pierce has aged like freaking fine wine!

Paul Pierce stats in 2013-2014

I. 2014 Playoffs

12 games - shooting ONLY 10.8 FGA & playing ONLY 30.7 mpg:
13.7 ppg on 46.5%/35.8% & 57.3 TS% & 53.9 eFG%, 108 ORating;
4.5R, 2.0A, 1.2 steals, 1.7 TO

---Multiple clutch shots including 9 straight points to close out the Raps in Round 1 Game 1, & GAMEWINNING block to close out the Raps series in Round 1 Game 7

---Scored 15-22 points in 5 out of 12 games

---Shot about SEVEN! less FGAs & played TWELVE! less mpg (compared with the 2012-2013 Playoffs: 17.7 FGA & 42.5 mpg)

II. 2013-2014 Regular Season

A. 12/2013 thru 4/2014 - 60 games - shooting ONLY 9.3 FGA & playing ONLY 27.7 mpg:

13.7 ppg on 47.4%/39.8% & 62.1 TS% & 56.1 eFG%, 110 ORating;
4.6R, 2.3A, 1.2 steals, 1.9 TO

B. CY 2014 (after switch to PF) - 49 games - shooting ONLY 9.4 FGA & playing ONLY 27.5 mpg:

13.9 ppg on 47.7%/38.8% & 62.3 TS% & 56.4 eFG%, 112 Orating;
4.4R, 2.1A, 1.3 steals, 1.8 TO

C. Entire RS - 75 games - shooting ONLY 9.5 FGA/game (decreased ~5 from 14.2 mpg in 2012-2013 RS) & playing ONLY 28.0 mpg (decreased ~5 from 33.4 mpg in 2012-2013 RS):

13.5 ppg on 45.1%/37.3% & 59.5 TS% & 52.9% eFG%, 107 ORating;
4.6R, 2.4A, 1.1 steals, 2.0 TO, PER 16.82

---Excluding 11/2013 when his numbers were terrible because he played with an UNdiagnosed fractured shooting hand (when the 'usual basketball savants' incorrectly wrote him off YET again), Paul had an EXCELLENT/EXTREMELY EFFICIENT season.

---The ONLY reasons that he did not score 18-19 PPG were because his minutes were down about 5 mpg, his FGAs were down about 5 FGAs, & his USG% was down about 5%.

---Scored 18-33 points in 17/75 games

HENCE:

At age 36 1/2, Paul understandably is no longer the Super Star Franchise Player Truth capable of brilliant nights on a consistent 'game in & game out basis' - but he sure as hell is STILL a very valuable/elite baller!

His immense leadership skills & will to win were absolutely integral to the phenomenal record posted by the Nets after 1/1/2014!

Paul passed 25K points & became the 18th leading scorer in NBA history - only 4 of those currently ahead of him have a higher career TS% (Paul = 56.9%) & 3 of those 4 are BIGS! By the end of the 2014-2015 season, Paul most likely will become the FOURTEENTH leading scorer in NBA history & he has a chance to become the freaking TENTH leading scorer in NBA history by the end of the 2015-2016 season - when he will retire after a truly magnificent first ballot HOF career!