OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??

[dakomish23]

Kidd was 37 years old, not an All-Star that season, and nowhere near his prime, which was about 10 years earlier. That doesn't take away from his contribution, but the point stands.

Dirk carried a bunch of role players to an NBA title.

KG was known as an underachiever/chocker in Minny, and the title was a direct result of his collaboration with Pierce and Allen.

Read the posters post again, is Kidd going to the HOF? Yes, he is, and Kidd was like fine wine that year regardless of his age.

Both KG and Ray Allen were passed their prime when they got to Boston as well as their best years was well behind them....but their games meshed well and they aged well together.

Dirk had help, but he also played great as well, but if he just "carried" guys...why he wasnt carrying anyone all
the other years?

Allen and Pierce both 1 yr removed all nba seasons and were both injured the 06-07 season.

[Thugger HBC]

Kidd was 37 years old, not an All-Star that season, and nowhere near his prime, which was about 10 years earlier. That doesn't take away from his contribution, but the point stands.

Dirk carried a bunch of role players to an NBA title.

KG was known as an underachiever/chocker in Minny, and the title was a direct result of his collaboration with Pierce and Allen.

Read the posters post again, is Kidd going to the HOF? Yes, he is, and Kidd was like fine wine that year regardless of his age.

Both KG and Ray Allen were passed their prime when they got to Boston as well as their best years was well behind them....but their games meshed well and they aged well together.

Dirk had help, but he also played great as well, but if he just "carried" guys...why he wasnt carrying anyone all
the other years?

Allen and Pierce both 1 yr removed all nba seasons and were both injured the 06-07 season.

My post doesnt mention Pierce, and I dont think Ray made that list since 2005 which is three years prior, not one, and even then he only made it twice for his career and was never 1st team.

are you debating these guys werent past their primes when they joined together? I hope not.

[NormanTwain]

Read the posters post again, is Kidd going to the HOF? Yes, he is, and Kidd was like fine wine that year regardless of his age.

Both KG and Ray Allen were passed their prime when they got to Boston as well as their best years was well behind them....but their games meshed well and they aged well together.

Dirk had help, but he also played great as well, but if he just "carried" guys...why he wasnt carrying anyone all
the other years?

While Kidd was already a future HoFer at the time, he fell into the poster's criteria, "not an All-Star and a player past his prime". You can refer to Kidd as whatever you like, but he was a role player that was carried by Dirk.

In 06-07 KG averaged over 22 PPG (4th highest in his career), and led the league in rebounding with 12.8 (also 4th highest in his career). Then he comes to Boston and immediately wins DPOY in 07-08, because he takes on less of the offensive load. KG past his prime? History disagrees with you.

Allen had his career high in PPG (26.4) in 06-07, and if you want to take his injury into account, his 2nd career high was the year before that in 05-06 (25.1) So history disagrees with you once again.

He was carrying them, lol. The story of the life of the Dallas Mavericks is Dirk carrying role players. Year after year he ran into better teams. The team he carried to the Finals in '06, was even worse than that of '11.

What you really mean to ask is why he hasn't won anymore titles, and the answer is in the question you did ask. Because you can only get so far, so often, when carrying inferior teammates vs superior teams.

[Thugger HBC]

Read the posters post again, is Kidd going to the HOF? Yes, he is, and Kidd was like fine wine that year regardless of his age.

Both KG and Ray Allen were passed their prime when they got to Boston as well as their best years was well behind them....but their games meshed well and they aged well together.

Dirk had help, but he also played great as well, but if he just "carried" guys...why he wasnt carrying anyone all
the other years?

While Kidd was already a future HoFer at the time, he fell into the poster's criteria, "not an All-Star and a player past his prime". You can refer to Kidd as whatever you like, but he was a role player that was carried by Dirk.

In 06-07 KG averaged over 22 PPG (4th highest in his career), and led the league in rebounding with 12.8 (also 4th highest in his career). Then he comes to Boston and immediately wins DPOY in 07-08, because he takes on less of the offensive load. KG past his prime? History disagrees with you.

Allen had his career high in PPG (26.4) in 06-07, and if you want to take his injury into account, his 2nd career high was the year before that in 05-06 (25.1) So history disagrees with you once again.

He was carrying them, lol. The story of the life of the Dallas Mavericks is Dirk carrying role players. Year after year he ran into better teams. The team he carried to the Finals in '06, was even worse than that of '11.

What you really mean to ask is why he hasn't won anymore titles, and the answer is in the question you did ask. Because you can only get so far, so often, when carrying inferior teammates vs superior teams.

So you honestly believe when Ray and KG came to Boston they were in their primes? Thats what that above post insinuates.

[Never Wrong]

What was around Dirk during that run is not comparable to what KG had in Boston. Stop it.

[Thugger HBC]

What was around Dirk during that run is not comparable to what KG had in Boston. Stop it.

You're right, Dirk may have had a better cast.

But if we're going there...

Carlisle is a better coach than Doc then and now, Kidd even in his old age was better than Rondo at that time.

Terry was equal to Ray if not better, Tyson >>>Perkins, Haywood might have been Perkins equal.

The Mavs had 5 players who hit better than 37% of their threes in the PLAYOFF rotation, two in the upper 40's...Boston maybe 3, with none hitting elite % from three.

And that still doesnt count for the solid defense of Marion and good contributions from Stevenson Barea

And Dirk was better than all of them.

The fallacy of this debate if folks are looking at guys careers and ignoring how those guys performed.

Dirk was great, but he didnt "carry" anything....he had help in every facet of the game.

[NormanTwain]

So you honestly believe when Ray and KG came to Boston they were in their primes? Thats what that above post insinuates.

It doesn't matter what I believe. It's not an opinion.

KG had one of his best individual seasons the year before he came to Boston. No different than the year he had before that, or the year before that. Then he comes to Boston and wins DPOY. It's a verifiable fact that he was putting up great numbers and winning accolades. It's not a matter of opinion whether he was in his prime or not; he was.

It's even fairly easy to see when things went downhill for him. His knee injury in 09.

09-10 KG, is when you can clearly say, without a doubt, that he was past his prime. He wasn't able to get his numbers back up after the injury.

Allen was coming off 4 consecutive career high scoring seasons and All-Star appearances, and a career high 50+ scoring performance in 07, right before his injury. He was clearly in his prime. It's not even arguable.

You can argue that his health might have been questionable following his surgery, but he played the majority of the games (@ 36 mins per) every season in Boston until he was 35, so that argument would be instantly squashed.

KG and Allen's numbers going down their first year in Boston was not an indication of them being past their primes, but rather them taking on lesser loads, and deferring to a ball-dominant player.

Wade and Bosh experienced the exact same thing. Were both guys past their primes in 2010?

[dakomish23]

Read the posters post again, is Kidd going to the HOF? Yes, he is, and Kidd was like fine wine that year regardless of his age.

Both KG and Ray Allen were passed their prime when they got to Boston as well as their best years was well behind them....but their games meshed well and they aged well together.

Dirk had help, but he also played great as well, but if he just "carried" guys...why he wasnt carrying anyone all
the other years?

Allen and Pierce both 1 yr removed all nba seasons and were both injured the 06-07 season.

My post doesnt mention Pierce, and I dont think Ray made that list since 2005 which is three years prior, not one, and even then he only made it twice for his career and was never 1st team.

are you debating these guys werent past their primes when they joined together? I hope not.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I was wrong about the all - nba timing but these guys were def still in their primes. You're saying that 7 seasons ago including this year they were passed their primes?? I hope you're joking!

06-07:
Pierce 25 ppg 6 rpg 4 apg
Allen 26 ppg 5 rpg 4 apg

07-08 was 11th yr for Allen and 10th for Pierce.

Carmelo is currently in his 11th season. Same for Lebron. Are they out of their primes??

[NormanTwain]

What was around Dirk during that run is not comparable to what KG had in Boston. Stop it.

You're right, Dirk may have had a better cast.

But if we're going there...

Carlisle is a better coach than Doc then and now, Kidd even in his old age was better than Rondo at that time.

Terry was equal to Ray if not better, Tyson >>>Perkins, Haywood might have been Perkins equal.

The Mavs had 5 players who hit better than 37% of their threes in the PLAYOFF rotation, two in the upper 40's...Boston maybe 3, with none hitting elite % from three.

And that still doesnt count for the solid defense of Marion and good contributions from Stevenson Barea

And Dirk was better than all of them.

The fallacy of this debate if folks are looking at guys careers and ignoring how those guys performed.

Dirk was great, but he didnt "carry" anything....he had help in every facet of the game.

Waste of time taking about role players, and who was marginally better. Kidd's role = Rondo's, Chandler's role = Perkins',

Your mistake is comparing Terry who was a role player, with Ray Allen, who was a great player deferring to two better players.

That's like saying that 12-13 Wade and 08-09 Mo Williams were equal, and it's a wash, because they put up similar numbers behind Lebron in the playoffs.

Everything falls apart for you when you realize that no one on the Mavericks (after Dirk) was anywhere near Pierce's caliber. Not even close.

[Never Wrong]

What was around Dirk during that run is not comparable to what KG had in Boston. Stop it.

You're right, Dirk may have had a better cast.

But if we're going there...

Carlisle is a better coach than Doc then and now, Kidd even in his old age was better than Rondo at that time.

Terry was equal to Ray if not better, Tyson >>>Perkins, Haywood might have been Perkins equal.

The Mavs had 5 players who hit better than 37% of their threes in the PLAYOFF rotation, two in the upper 40's...Boston maybe 3, with none hitting elite % from three.

And that still doesnt count for the solid defense of Marion and good contributions from Stevenson Barea

And Dirk was better than all of them.

The fallacy of this debate if folks are looking at guys careers and ignoring how those guys performed.

Dirk was great, but he didnt "carry" anything....he had help in every facet of the game.

lol....you actually believe this

[Thugger HBC]

It doesn't matter what I believe. It's not an opinion.

KG had one of his best individual seasons the year before he came to Boston. No different than the year he had before that, or the year before that. Then he comes to Boston and wins DPOY. It's a verifiable fact that he was putting up great numbers and winning accolades. It's not a matter of opinion whether he was in his prime or not; he was.

He wasnt in his prime in Boston, winning DPOY doesnt establish prime, it's a team award given to one individual, Boston had quite a few defenders who were well above solid on that team, most were on the wings.

It's even fairly easy to see when things went downhill for him. His knee injury in 09.

09-10 KG, is when you can clearly say, without a doubt, that he was past his prime. He wasn't able to get his numbers back up after the injury.

Nope, but I see the confusion, it seems effectiveness still equals prime in some posters minds, and if thats the case KG never came out of his prime in Boston...only his "minutes" was lowered.

Allen was coming off 4 consecutive career high scoring seasons and All-Star appearances, and a career high 50+ scoring performance in 07, right before his injury. He was clearly in his prime. It's not even arguable.

You can argue that his health might have been questionable following his surgery, but he played the majority of the games (@ 36 mins per) every season in Boston until he was 35, so that argument would be instantly squashed.

None of this established Ray's prime....prime Ray ended his last two season in Seattle, while he still performed well, he was not the same overall....if you really want to see the difference look no further than 25 year old Ray with the Bucks vs the 29 year old Ray with Seattle.

KG and Allen's numbers going doing their first year in Boston was not an indication of them being past their primes, but rather them taking on lesser loads, and deferring to a ball-dominant player.

they took on lesser loads because both were losing effectiveness as the top player on their teams before, so certainly a minutes reduction would help them stay effective and fresh.

Wade and Bosh experienced the exact same thing. Were both guys past their primes in 2010?

Wade did not, he was a 25ppg player with similar rebounding and assists before Lebron with no drop with LeBron that first year, playoff Wade was similar to most of his years as well.

Bosh fit the role he should have been career wise.

But I do like the comparison one shows prime (Miami) vs out of prime (Boston).

[kane2021]

Look at the nba top 50. Then add the 20 years of great players sense. Im not sure dirk even cracks that really.

[Thugger HBC]

Allen and Pierce both 1 yr removed all nba seasons and were both injured the 06-07 season.

My post doesnt mention Pierce, and I dont think Ray made that list since 2005 which is three years prior, not one, and even then he only made it twice for his career and was never 1st team.

are you debating these guys werent past their primes when they joined together? I hope not.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I was wrong about the all - nba timing but these guys were def still in their primes. You're saying that 7 seasons ago including this year they were passed their primes?? I hope you're joking!

06-07:
Pierce 25 ppg 6 rpg 4 apg
Allen 26 ppg 5 rpg 4 apg

07-08 was 11th yr for Allen and 10th for Pierce.

Carmelo is currently in his 11th season. Same for Lebron. Are they out of their primes??

Rays prime was ending when the other facets of his game went down.

To truly establish prime is to recall a players peak and scope the years before and after that peak....Rays peak was 2001 to roughly 2003...his Bucks years. Ray may have produced numbers in Seattle but his efficiency fell across most areas, certainly his last two years...for instance his 26 ppg in last Seattle year doesnt compare to his last two full years with the Bucks, and thats just shooting.

I really havent used years of service in any of my points, not sure the purpose of establishing that now.

[ibraheim718]

What was around Dirk during that run is not comparable to what KG had in Boston. Stop it.

You're right, Dirk may have had a better cast.

But if we're going there...

Carlisle is a better coach than Doc then and now, Kidd even in his old age was better than Rondo at that time.

Terry was equal to Ray if not better, Tyson >>>Perkins, Haywood might have been Perkins equal.

The Mavs had 5 players who hit better than 37% of their threes in the PLAYOFF rotation, two in the upper 40's...Boston maybe 3, with none hitting elite % from three.

And that still doesnt count for the solid defense of Marion and good contributions from Stevenson Barea

And Dirk was better than all of them.

The fallacy of this debate if folks are looking at guys careers and ignoring how those guys performed.

Dirk was great, but he didnt "carry" anything....he had help in every facet of the game.

IIRC Dirk struggled at times during that championship run.

But what I remember most about that run.. was their guards (Terry, Barea, Kidd) ability to break the defense with secondary penetration which opened up their 3 point looks, Carlisle's in game substitutions, Chandler's defense, and then Dirk hitting some clutch shots.

But I have to SMH when I hear someone say they rank Dirk higher than Garnett.. that's a good one or that Garnett was in his prime in Boston when he didn't average over 20ppg one time while he was there, never averaged double digit rebounds, and he never averaged 4 assists or more at any time in Boston which he did every year during his real prime in Minny.

KG's prime years in Minny he led the league in RPG 4 times.. while averaging over 20ppg and over 4 assists per game. Those were some of the best prime years of any PF in history.

[Thugger HBC]

What was around Dirk during that run is not comparable to what KG had in Boston. Stop it.

You're right, Dirk may have had a better cast.

But if we're going there...

Carlisle is a better coach than Doc then and now, Kidd even in his old age was better than Rondo at that time.

Terry was equal to Ray if not better, Tyson >>>Perkins, Haywood might have been Perkins equal.

The Mavs had 5 players who hit better than 37% of their threes in the PLAYOFF rotation, two in the upper 40's...Boston maybe 3, with none hitting elite % from three.

And that still doesnt count for the solid defense of Marion and good contributions from Stevenson Barea

And Dirk was better than all of them.

The fallacy of this debate if folks are looking at guys careers and ignoring how those guys performed.

Dirk was great, but he didnt "carry" anything....he had help in every facet of the game.

IIRC Dirk struggled at times during that championship run.

But what I remember most about that run.. was their guards (Terry, Barea, Kidd) ability to break the defense with secondary penetration which opened up their 3 point looks, Carlisle's in game substitutions, Chandler's defense, and then Dirk hitting some clutch shots.

But I have to SMH when I hear someone say they rank Dirk higher than Garnett.. that's a good one or that Garnett was in his prime in Boston when he didn't average over 20ppg one time while he was there, never averaged double digit rebounds, and he never averaged 4 assists or more at any time in Boston which he did every year during his real prime in Minny.

KG's prime years in Minny he led the league in RPG 4 times.. while averaging over 20ppg and over 4 assists per game. Those were some of the best prime years of any PF in history.

Very true, and while I do think Dirk is a great player his championship definitely seem to propel him to heights he dont belong, he certainly wasnt viewed as top 10 prior to, whereas KG was always in that discussion.

Garnett was a dominant and complete player, I'd say Dirk and KG are probably even as far as ability to score, but the other facets it's KG and Dirk should not be discussed.

To put it in perspective Dirk has taken well over 3000 more threes than KG, but total career point dont reflect any of them.

[ibraheim718]

You're right, Dirk may have had a better cast.

But if we're going there...

Carlisle is a better coach than Doc then and now, Kidd even in his old age was better than Rondo at that time.

Terry was equal to Ray if not better, Tyson >>>Perkins, Haywood might have been Perkins equal.

The Mavs had 5 players who hit better than 37% of their threes in the PLAYOFF rotation, two in the upper 40's...Boston maybe 3, with none hitting elite % from three.

And that still doesnt count for the solid defense of Marion and good contributions from Stevenson Barea

And Dirk was better than all of them.

The fallacy of this debate if folks are looking at guys careers and ignoring how those guys performed.

Dirk was great, but he didnt "carry" anything....he had help in every facet of the game.

IIRC Dirk struggled at times during that championship run.

But what I remember most about that run.. was their guards (Terry, Barea, Kidd) ability to break the defense with secondary penetration which opened up their 3 point looks, Carlisle's in game substitutions, Chandler's defense, and then Dirk hitting some clutch shots.

But I have to SMH when I hear someone say they rank Dirk higher than Garnett.. that's a good one or that Garnett was in his prime in Boston when he didn't average over 20ppg one time while he was there, never averaged double digit rebounds, and he never averaged 4 assists or more at any time in Boston which he did every year during his real prime in Minny.

KG's prime years in Minny he led the league in RPG 4 times.. while averaging over 20ppg and over 4 assists per game. Those were some of the best prime years of any PF in history.

Very true, and while I do think Dirk is a great player his championship definitely seem to propel him to heights he dont belong, he certainly wasnt viewed as top 10 prior to, whereas KG was always in that discussion.

Garnett was a dominant and complete player, I'd say Dirk and KG are probably even as far as ability to score, but the other facets it's KG and Dirk should not be discussed.

To put it in perspective Dirk has taken well over 3000 more threes than KG, but total career point dont reflect any of them.

KG's all around game was so so much better than Dirk's. The guy could pass, board, hit the mid range, post up, shut people down, run, block shots. In my eyes and I know a lot of people don't agree I'm taking Garnett over Duncan too.. partly because I view TD as a center and partly because KG didn't play with the caliber coach or players Duncan did because if he did it would be KG with all those rings.. heck in Boston they got to two finals, won one and that was with a past his prime KG.

Garnett is the best PF I've ever watched play live with my own two eyes.

[Thugger HBC]

IIRC Dirk struggled at times during that championship run.

But what I remember most about that run.. was their guards (Terry, Barea, Kidd) ability to break the defense with secondary penetration which opened up their 3 point looks, Carlisle's in game substitutions, Chandler's defense, and then Dirk hitting some clutch shots.

But I have to SMH when I hear someone say they rank Dirk higher than Garnett.. that's a good one or that Garnett was in his prime in Boston when he didn't average over 20ppg one time while he was there, never averaged double digit rebounds, and he never averaged 4 assists or more at any time in Boston which he did every year during his real prime in Minny.

KG's prime years in Minny he led the league in RPG 4 times.. while averaging over 20ppg and over 4 assists per game. Those were some of the best prime years of any PF in history.

Very true, and while I do think Dirk is a great player his championship definitely seem to propel him to heights he dont belong, he certainly wasnt viewed as top 10 prior to, whereas KG was always in that discussion.

Garnett was a dominant and complete player, I'd say Dirk and KG are probably even as far as ability to score, but the other facets it's KG and Dirk should not be discussed.

To put it in perspective Dirk has taken well over 3000 more threes than KG, but total career point dont reflect any of them.

KG's all around game was so so much better than Dirk's. The guy could pass, board, hit the mid range, post up, shut people down, run, block shots. In my eyes and I know a lot of people don't agree I'm taking Garnett over Duncan too.. partly because I view TD as a center and partly because KG didn't play with the caliber coach or players Duncan did because if he did it would be KG with all those rings.. heck in Boston they got to two finals, won one and that was with a past his prime KG.

Garnett is the best PF I've ever watched play live with my own two eyes.

i've actually wondered whether the Spurs actually defend a title with KG over Duncan....i think they do.

Duncan certainly did get assists, but KG never amassed the turnovers that Duncan did.

[NormanTwain]

He wasnt in his prime in Boston, winning DPOY doesnt establish prime, it's a team award given to one individual, Boston had quite a few defenders who were well above solid on that team, most were on the wings.

You're not making a case, just disagreeing. You'll have to try a bit harder for me to bother with a proper rebuttal.

Nope, but I see the confusion, it seems effectiveness still equals prime in some posters minds, and if thats the case KG never came out of his prime in Boston...only his "minutes" was lowered.

It doesn't seem that way at all, but I can certainly see your confusion.

None of this established Ray's prime....prime Ray ended his last two season in Seattle, while he still performed well, he was not the same overall....if you really want to see the difference look no further than 25 year old Ray with the Bucks vs the 29 year old Ray with Seattle.

Exposed yourself here as having never really watched Ray on the Bucks (this clears a lot of things up). Ray's role there, and his role in Seattle were not the same at all. His shooting efficiency dropped and his scoring went up, for this very reason.

they took on lesser loads because both were losing effectiveness as the top player on their teams before, so certainly a minutes reduction would help them stay effective and fresh.

"it seems effectiveness still equals prime in some posters minds"



Let's talk more about how Dirk had the better supporting cast. Tell me how many Mavericks players we need to combine into one to equal Pierce.

But I have to SMH when I hear someone say they rank Dirk higher than Garnett.. that's a good one or that Garnett was in his prime in Boston when he didn't average over 20ppg one time while he was there, never averaged double digit rebounds, and he never averaged 4 assists or more at any time in Boston which he did every year during his real prime in Minny.

KG's prime years in Minny he led the league in RPG 4 times.. while averaging over 20ppg and over 4 assists per game. Those were some of the best prime years of any PF in history.

That may be due to playing with Pierce and Allen.... no, maybe? Just earlier that year in Minny he led the league in rebounds, and had a top 5 career scoring and blocks season; but a few months later, according to you, he's out of his prime.

Deferring, now = past prime.

Garnett is the best PF I've ever watched play live with my own two eyes.

You must have missed him during the playoffs (when he was fortunate enough to be there) in Minnesota. Then again, everyone on his team did as well.

i've actually wondered whether the Spurs actually defend a title with KG over Duncan....i think they do.

Duncan certainly did get assists, but KG never amassed the turnovers that Duncan did.

They would have lost in the first round just like every other KG led team. It's as if you've never seen the guy in the post season/or the 4th quarter in Minnesota. KG is easily one of the most overrated players in the history of the league. He's a very good player, but he's a Robin.

[andrewww]

You're right, Dirk may have had a better cast.

But if we're going there...

Carlisle is a better coach than Doc then and now, Kidd even in his old age was better than Rondo at that time.

Terry was equal to Ray if not better, Tyson >>>Perkins, Haywood might have been Perkins equal.

The Mavs had 5 players who hit better than 37% of their threes in the PLAYOFF rotation, two in the upper 40's...Boston maybe 3, with none hitting elite % from three.

And that still doesnt count for the solid defense of Marion and good contributions from Stevenson Barea

And Dirk was better than all of them.

The fallacy of this debate if folks are looking at guys careers and ignoring how those guys performed.

Dirk was great, but he didnt "carry" anything....he had help in every facet of the game.

IIRC Dirk struggled at times during that championship run.

But what I remember most about that run.. was their guards (Terry, Barea, Kidd) ability to break the defense with secondary penetration which opened up their 3 point looks, Carlisle's in game substitutions, Chandler's defense, and then Dirk hitting some clutch shots.

But I have to SMH when I hear someone say they rank Dirk higher than Garnett.. that's a good one or that Garnett was in his prime in Boston when he didn't average over 20ppg one time while he was there, never averaged double digit rebounds, and he never averaged 4 assists or more at any time in Boston which he did every year during his real prime in Minny.

KG's prime years in Minny he led the league in RPG 4 times.. while averaging over 20ppg and over 4 assists per game. Those were some of the best prime years of any PF in history.

Very true, and while I do think Dirk is a great player his championship definitely seem to propel him to heights he dont belong, he certainly wasnt viewed as top 10 prior to, whereas KG was always in that discussion.

Garnett was a dominant and complete player, I'd say Dirk and KG are probably even as far as ability to score, but the other facets it's KG and Dirk should not be discussed.

To put it in perspective Dirk has taken well over 3000 more threes than KG, but total career point dont reflect any of them.

KG isnt even in the same league as Dirk when it comes to scoring with all due respect to KG.

KG's all-around game especially on defense is his main argument for being greater than Dirk which is a valid argument, but despite KG's efficiency etc, he was never a go-to scorer nor was he capable of being one which is often a neglected point. Dirk most certainly was a go-to scorer which is his trump card over KG.

I think KG's defense and all-around game versus Dirk's defense is greater than Dirk's offensive superiority over KG. In short, I think KG was the slightly better overall player but not by much.

[Thugger HBC]

IIRC Dirk struggled at times during that championship run.

But what I remember most about that run.. was their guards (Terry, Barea, Kidd) ability to break the defense with secondary penetration which opened up their 3 point looks, Carlisle's in game substitutions, Chandler's defense, and then Dirk hitting some clutch shots.

But I have to SMH when I hear someone say they rank Dirk higher than Garnett.. that's a good one or that Garnett was in his prime in Boston when he didn't average over 20ppg one time while he was there, never averaged double digit rebounds, and he never averaged 4 assists or more at any time in Boston which he did every year during his real prime in Minny.

KG's prime years in Minny he led the league in RPG 4 times.. while averaging over 20ppg and over 4 assists per game. Those were some of the best prime years of any PF in history.

Very true, and while I do think Dirk is a great player his championship definitely seem to propel him to heights he dont belong, he certainly wasnt viewed as top 10 prior to, whereas KG was always in that discussion.

Garnett was a dominant and complete player, I'd say Dirk and KG are probably even as far as ability to score, but the other facets it's KG and Dirk should not be discussed.

To put it in perspective Dirk has taken well over 3000 more threes than KG, but total career point dont reflect any of them.

KG isnt even in the same league as Dirk when it comes to scoring with all due respect to KG.

KG's all-around game especially on defense is his main argument for being greater than Dirk which is a valid argument, but despite KG's efficiency etc, he was never a go-to scorer nor was he capable of being one which is often a neglected point. Dirk most certainly was a go-to scorer which is his trump card over KG.

I think KG's defense and all-around game versus Dirk's defense is greater than Dirk's offensive superiority over KG. In short, I think KG was the slightly better overall player but not by much.

You dont score 25000+ plus points in the NBA without being primary scorer, and KG's jumper is very much on the level of Dirks' and thats on top of being the teams best defender and defensive anchor in the paint rebounder and in alot of cases the playmaker, things Dirk never had to worry about.

If KG only was about to just score.....

Sorry man but you really have to clarify your post.