Is there any possibility of this trade happens?

[paQo the BAWSER]

What about only Smith x Gallinari??

[Notanoob]

Still no. Gallo was the 2nd best player on a 57 win team last season. He's a very good player. At PF they have Hickson signed long term and want to keep Faried now that he's made serious improvements to his game. Plus, they have basically no cap space because they have so many long term deals, so adding salary with Smith would only further restrict them.

The deals Denver is most likely to make are salary relief deals based around moving solid role-player sorts to teams with a need, not dumping their best player when his value is at its lowest.

They have no need for Smith. If anything, they'd like Monroe because apparently their head coach Brian Shaw likes his bigs to have post - up games.

[paQo the BAWSER]

Still no. Gallo was the 2nd best player on a 57 win team last season. He's a very good player. At PF they have Hickson signed long term and want to keep Faried now that he's made serious improvements to his game. Plus, they have basically no cap space because they have so many long term deals, so adding salary with Smith would only further restrict them.

The deals Denver is most likely to make are salary relief deals based around moving solid role-player sorts to teams with a need, not dumping their best player when his value is at its lowest.

They have no need for Smith. If anything, they'd like Monroe because apparently their head coach Brian Shaw likes his bigs to have post - up games.

I know Gallo is great and too much better player than Smith, but he was injuried too much time, there is possibilities that he never would be the same player.

[jakebernat]

let me just repeat the fact that I love the 8th pick and Smith for afflalo and harkless idea

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[Neptune]

What about only Smith x Gallinari??

No

let me just repeat the fact that I love the 8th pick and Smith for afflalo and harkless idea

Definitely no. #8 for Harkless then lets call it a day

[Notanoob]

Neptune, I think that you're utterly insane. Smith is awful. Healthy Gallo is a better player than he is and a much better fit. He has a better attitude, a higher BBIQ, and a shorter, cheaper contract. Even if he doesn't return to form we win that deal because we can go after another guy sooner and can do more to improve the roster while he's still here.

Smith is also an inferior player to Afflalo, especially when you take into account attitude and contract. He's always worked hard, played hard, and been a pitbull on defense. And Harkless is not worth the 8th pick in this draft.

Your evaluations of proposed deals are so all over the place that I just can't really understand your thinking. Usually you're just an absurd homer, but then you go and say that Harkless is worth the 8th pick?

News flash dude, Harkless sucks. He's a poor shooter from 3 on a low volume (career 33%) terrible FT shooter (58%), weak rebounder for a guy 6'8" (3.8 per game), not a great creator (more TOs than assists)...he has done nothing in the slightest to suggest that he's worth a lottery pick.

[jakebernat]

but then you go and say that Harkless is worth the 8th pick?

News flash dude, Harkless sucks. He's a poor shooter from 3 on a low volume (career 33%) terrible FT shooter (58%), weak rebounder for a guy 6'8" (3.8 per game), not a great creator (more TOs than assists)...he has done nothing in the slightest to suggest that he's worth a lottery pick.

i'm sorry, but you're dead wrong on harkless. he's a phenomenal athlete with great length and an undeniable defensive prowess. offensively, he's raw, but he understands his limitations. he's vastly improved his outside jumper this season to the tune of nearly 40% (seriously? you're gonna take his career average when he's only in his 2nd season??) how many wing players get over a block a game? lebron and durant? MKG?? harkless projects to be an absolutely stifling perimeter defender, and he can't even buy beer yet. i would absolutely love to add him to our core of young players. ideally, KCP and harkless would give us two of the best 3&D players in the league in the next few years. how could you not want that??

also, the proposed trade is smith and the 8th for afflalo and harkless, not smith for afflalo and the 8th for harkless. you can't just simplify a trade into 1 for 1 swaps, that's not how it works...

[Pugz]

Smith and 8 for Afflalo and Harkless

Hope Jonas opts out

Sign Ariza, Sessions, and a veteran big like Dalembert or Okafor for cheap.

Hire Hollins

Jennings, Sessions
Afflalo, KCP
Ariza, Singler, Harkless
Monroe, Harkless, Mitchell
Drummond, veteran, Harrelson

Hollins will maximize Monroe and Drummond's potential while getting Jennings to play within himself and with Sessions there to threaten his spot.
Afflalo and Ariza give us stability at the 2 and 3 both ways and Harkless has just as much upside as anyone else at 8.

orlando wouldn't do that but id be alright with all of that.

[Notanoob]

i'm sorry, but you're dead wrong on harkless. he's a phenomenal athlete with great length and an undeniable defensive prowess. offensively, he's raw, but he understands his limitations. he's vastly improved his outside jumper this season to the tune of nearly 40% (seriously? you're gonna take his career average when he's only in his 2nd season??) how many wing players get over a block a game? lebron and durant? MKG?? harkless projects to be an absolutely stifling perimeter defender, and he can't even buy beer yet. i would absolutely love to add him to our core of young players. ideally, KCP and harkless would give us two of the best 3&D players in the league in the next few years. how could you not want that??

also, the proposed trade is smith and the 8th for afflalo and harkless, not smith for afflalo and the 8th for harkless. you can't just simplify a trade into 1 for 1 swaps, that's not how it works...

Given his awful FTs, and the low volume of 3's he's taking, I doubt that he's a great shooter for real yet. There are plenty of examples of poor shooters having good years from beyond the ark like him on low volume only to never even come close to that % again. He isn't averaging a block a game, he's averaging .6. This is a guy who can't get the starting job on a terrible Orlando team when there isn't even another natural SF on the team. Considering that they're tanking and he's young, he should be gifted the starting job at this point, but he hasn't locked it down.

And we can get a similar, better player in the draft. KJ McDaniels may be shorter, but he still has the size to be a stud wing defender (not to mention the length) he easily out-produced Harkless in college. Try 3.3 blocks per 40 compared to Harkless' 1.4. The draft pick is more valuable.

He broke the trade down into a one for one swap, suggesting that Harkless and the 8th pick was worth it but the Smith for Afflalo was not. He implied that he thought the value of Smith was so much larger than the value of Afflalo that it made the second part of the swap not worth it, when the second swap would have been on its own. That's absurd, honestly.

[Neptune]

Actually Notanood, I'm with you. I don't think Harkless is worth the 8th pick too(I would do #8 for Afflalo+Harkless). I was saying that I'd rather do #8 for Harkless and call it day instead of putting Smith in the deal. Maybe I should have wrote that, but I posted that comment on my Note 3 so I was a bit lazy. Yeah, I value Smith much higher than Afflalo because talented 4/3's will always have more value than average 2's. Just because your apart of the few who dislike Smith because his "attitude"(which is extremely friendly) doesn't mean Smith's value plummets. You guys can dream about trading Smith for trash and expirings all day, but guess what, it's highly unlikely we trade a guy who stat stuffs at a high rate for nothing. I'm just keeping it realistic.

And yes, I'm a homer! And1 to you because I love all fellow Piston fans!

[BadMofoPimp]

I watch Harkless alot being I live near the Magic arena and he is being slighted here. Dude has elite level defensive talent. He shot 39% from the 3 this season and can take it to the rack. Now, that is pretty much it. He is a great defensive player who is a set shooter who can dunk. But, in games where he starts, he has had a few 20 point games. It is just that Harris and Afflalo takes all his minutes. He can become a very solid player someday. Not sure if he is worth the 8th pick myself though. But, I this trade could work out for both team but I doubt Magic with their youth movement takes on Smiths contract. Very doubtful. But, they could use a solid PF on that team desperately.

[Notanoob]

Actually Notanood, I'm with you. I don't think Harkless is worth the 8th pick too(I would do #8 for Afflalo+Harkless). I was saying that I'd rather do #8 for Harkless and call it day instead of putting Smith in the deal. Maybe I should have wrote that, but I posted that comment on my Note 3 so I was a bit lazy. Yeah, I value Smith much higher than Afflalo because talented 4/3's will always have more value than average 2's. Just because your apart of the few who dislike Smith because his "attitude"(which is extremely friendly) doesn't mean Smith's value plummets. You guys can dream about trading Smith for trash and expirings all day, but guess what, it's highly unlikely we trade a guy who stat stuffs at a high rate for nothing. I'm just keeping it realistic.

And yes, I'm a homer! And1 to you because I love all fellow Piston fans!

You know, I still can totally disagree with you, but I have to give you props for this post. My post was rude, and you responded very cordially. I will at least acknowledge that you are being courteous, and I appreciate it, since that is often lacking online.

Anyways, the thing with Smith and Afflalo is Afflalo is one of the top SGs in the league due to a total drought at that position, he does basically everything well and is on a very reasonable contract. Smith is much more flawed at a deeper position, overpaid, and I really believe that he's been sulking this year. He ball-watches too much on defense and isn't really trying hard enough on that end unless he's matched up against a star player. He let the crowd get to him easily in his return to Atlanta (shooting when the fans shouted "shoot" and playing terribly in general). He's had a terrible all around season and his value could only go lower if he got arrested or seriously injured.

[Ghost]

Denver would have to have like no faith in Gallo reaching where he was plus want to move Faried in order for this to happen. Then they would have McGee/Smith/someone/Foye/Lawson? Meh.

I also don't like trading for Harkless because he's just an athletic defender that hasn't proved much in these two years while we could get someone with much more upside at 8. Plus Orlando wouldn't want Smith back, if they dump Affalo it would be for straight assets.