Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong

[Brenice]

Ted is not getting rid of Ernie after a playoff season.

Are you mad?

[dobrojim]

whether we think it will happen or whether we think it should happen are 2 completely different questions

[milellie111]

Ted is not getting rid of Ernie after a playoff season.

Are you mad?

Not in the least. I believe he deserves another year.

[noworriesinmd]

Ted is not getting rid of Ernie after a playoff season.

Are you mad?

Not in the least. I believe he deserves another year.

More than 210 ESPN analyst disagree with you.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10711 ... executives

[Kanyewest]

Ted is not getting rid of Ernie after a playoff season.

Are you mad?

Not in the least. I believe he deserves another year.

More than 210 ESPN analyst disagree with you.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10711 ... executives

ESPN flip flops every day though and they could rightly or wrongly flip flop on the Wizards especially if they win a postseason series.

[noworriesinmd]

Not in the least. I believe he deserves another year.

More than 210 ESPN analyst disagree with you.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10711 ... executives

ESPN flip flops every day though and they could rightly or wrongly flip flop on the Wizards especially if they win a postseason series.

Yeah, but crowd sourcing has been shown to be really good in predicting "things". I can make a compelling argument that EG gambled (opposite of skill) this season and won.
I know this has been talked about many times, but a good executive manages risk well.

How many wins will this team have next year if Ariza and Gortat walks and we have a horrible FA signing period?
How's that Maynor pick looking?
Our bench was what top 3, before the All Star break..with only Al out..
Why don't we have a #1 pick in this years draft?
Wasn't OP supposed to be the most "NBA" ready player in the draft...how many minutes has he played?

I love what this team is doing...but I haven't heard any good argument that EG planned all this.
Even I can play "NBA manager" for multiple seasons and get one season right. Look at the body of work & what was said leading up to this season and not just one point in time.

[Kanyewest]

More than 210 ESPN analyst disagree with you.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10711 ... executives

ESPN flip flops every day though and they could rightly or wrongly flip flop on the Wizards especially if they win a postseason series.

Yeah, but crowd sourcing has been shown to be really good in predicting "things". I can make a compelling argument that EG gambled (opposite of skill) this season and won.
I know this has been talked about many times, but a good executive manages risk well.

How many wins will this team have next year if Ariza and Gortat walks and we have a horrible FA signing period?
How's that Maynor pick looking?
Our bench was what top 3, before the All Star break..with only Al out//
Why don't we have a #1 pick in this years draft?
Wasn't OP supposed to be the most "NBA" ready player in the draft...how many minutes has he played?

I love what this team is doing...but I haven't heard any good argument that EG planned all this.[
I can play "NBA manager" for multiple seasons and get one season right. Look at the body of work & what was said leading up to this season and not just one point in time.

I agree that before the season that the Gortat trade seemed shortsighted as it was a trade I would not have done. However, I made the caveat that I would be wrong if the Wizards somehow made it to the 2nd round this season. Granted, the East is a lot weaker than I thought it would be.

If Ariza/Gortat walk, it may not be so bad. The Wizards could get draft picks by taking on bad salaries in order for teams to save money. I think a worse outcome is if Ariza/Gortat are overpaid which limits the Wizards from making moves down the line.

[noworriesinmd]

I think we both agree.

At the beginning of this year I kept stating that I don't get too high or low on this team. They are right where I thought they would be...however I've been pretty consistent in my thinking that EG must go.

If they get the 7th/8th seed and play Indy & Chi/BNKY, I'm all in for the EC finals, but there is no way I'd attribute that to EG...match-ups and seeding just worked out.

[hands11]

I think we both agree.

At the beginning of this year I kept stating that I don't get too high or low on this team. They are right where I thought they would be...however I've been pretty consistent in my thinking that EG must go.

If they get the 7th/8th seed and play Indy & Chi/BNKY, I'm all in for the EC finals, but there is no way I'd attribute that to EG...match-ups and seeding just worked out.

I imagine Ted will be focused on what he and EG have been able to do since he was extended two years ago as his main focus. From there he will extend that to since they have been together. And from there he would extend the time frame and try to take in the big picture. When you are sitting at the top, that's how you break it down. You don't expect every adjustment to work, but you want the ship on course. Some risk and failure if baked into the cake. Nothing ever works out exactly as planned. Its about progress, adjustments, risks for reward and knowing when to take your loses and move on. Can't overly focus on mistakes, but learn. Can't live in the past either. Gotta move forward.

[hands11]

ESPN flip flops every day though and they could rightly or wrongly flip flop on the Wizards especially if they win a postseason series.

Yeah, but crowd sourcing has been shown to be really good in predicting "things". I can make a compelling argument that EG gambled (opposite of skill) this season and won.
I know this has been talked about many times, but a good executive manages risk well.

How many wins will this team have next year if Ariza and Gortat walks and we have a horrible FA signing period?
How's that Maynor pick looking?
Our bench was what top 3, before the All Star break..with only Al out//
Why don't we have a #1 pick in this years draft?
Wasn't OP supposed to be the most "NBA" ready player in the draft...how many minutes has he played?

I love what this team is doing...but I haven't heard any good argument that EG planned all this.[
I can play "NBA manager" for multiple seasons and get one season right. Look at the body of work & what was said leading up to this season and not just one point in time.

I agree that before the season that the Gortat trade seemed shortsighted as it was a trade I would not have done. However, I made the caveat that I would be wrong if the Wizards somehow made it to the 2nd round this season. Granted, the East is a lot weaker than I thought it would be.

If Ariza/Gortat walk, it may not be so bad. The Wizards could get draft picks by taking on bad salaries in order for teams to save money. I think a worse outcome is if Ariza/Gortat are overpaid which limits the Wizards from making moves down the line.

I think we already have enough information to call the Gortat deal a win regardless of what they do in the playoffs. Anything from here just makes it an even bigger win. A mid first ( projected #15th pick ) for what Gortat has delivered to this team was worth it.

Lets look at what he has done.
He has delivered on the court with double doubles and is still getting better with Wall. Hammer/Machine
He plugged in the huge hole left by Okafor's late injury right before the season started.
He has transformed Walls understanding of all forms PnR. Gortat learned with Nash and he has brought that understanding to Wall. That's HUGE. Wall has that now and he is only 23. Thats HUGE.
He has taught Wall to us the picks. He got him to slow down and that has all kinds of effects on Wall
You might even connect that to him being more comfortable to slow down and hit that 3 ball.
Gortat forming a relationship with Wall has been huge. He has to much knowledge to share and he was able to bound with Wall and get him to listen. And Wall knowing and trusting that he can turn to Gortat has lifted burden from his shoulders and help him mature. And its different then Nene who you feed and get out of the way. Playing with Gortat engages Wall which keep him involved.
And Gortat has title experience to share. Perspective about what is ahead for Wall and Beal.

And without Gortat, I doubt they are .526 with 6 games to go and #6 slot for a playoff run. Specially with Nene missing 20 straight game. That means no Wall and Beal playoff experience this year.

All of that for a mid first #15 that was protected if it did work out ?

Sorry but that was a win no matter what happens from here in the playoffs.

[hands11]

[dckingsfan]

I think we both agree.

At the beginning of this year I kept stating that I don't get too high or low on this team. They are right where I thought they would be...however I've been pretty consistent in my thinking that EG must go.

If they get the 7th/8th seed and play Indy & Chi/BNKY, I'm all in for the EC finals, but there is no way I'd attribute that to EG...match-ups and seeding just worked out.

Violent agreement... but I still think he and Wittman get two year extensions. And that will limit our options going forward. But it is what it is... that there is consensus on this board that matches the espn poll is just extremely damning.

[Ruzious]

I think the length of the extensions will be based on post-season victories. Zero wins- they get 1 year. For every 2 wins, they get 1 more year. So, if they win the first round, they're getting at least 3 years.

[hands11]

I think we both agree.

At the beginning of this year I kept stating that I don't get too high or low on this team. They are right where I thought they would be...however I've been pretty consistent in my thinking that EG must go.

If they get the 7th/8th seed and play Indy & Chi/BNKY, I'm all in for the EC finals, but there is no way I'd attribute that to EG...match-ups and seeding just worked out.

Violent agreement... but I still think he and Wittman get two year extensions. And that will limit our options going forward. But it is what it is... that there is consensus on this board that matches the espn poll is just extremely damning.

Wait. Unless you are a top 3 or 4 team in a conference, of course match ups are a huge deal. Hell, even Indy is in trouble and they are #2. Wizards won 29 games last year with Wall and Nene out injured that lead to a real slow start and the team gelling being behind schedule. This year they are at 40 wins with Nene missing 20 straight games. Take Al Jefferson off the CHA for 20 straight games and lets see where they are right now. i beat its not .500%.

If the team is set up to get out of the first given a good match up, that counts. They are a year removed from 29 wins. I wouldn't expect them to be geared to beat everyone. That's not a a realistic expectation at this stage. Specially when we know they don't have a coach that can maximize the talent game to game.

Look how much Tibbs gets out of the Chicago roster. Imagine what he would do with the Wizards. I would guess he would have them 8-10 games better and that's a 48-50 win team.

If in 2011 they were a 20 win team and two years of an EG extension gets them to 42 or more, how could he not be factored into that ?

Now on the flips side, the two year hunt for a back up PG was insanely bad. Specially when they actually had Livingston at one point. And they had Wolters in their hands. And if not him why not...

Ray McCallum, Jeff Withey, Pierre Jackson, Mike Muscala, Ryan Kelly

My issue with EG is more about this stuff. I can understand the Otto pick and when Otto works out next year he will have Wall, Beal and Otto as good picks with only Ves not working out. But how they blundered this back up PG issue and picked Glen Rice as a focus over these other players... thats what bothers me because that's about process and strategy and they blow that lots around back up PG and using their 2nd round pick(s) last year. Is it unforgivable ? Maybe not. But it does bother me a ton because I can think of 6 or more options I would have rather they gambled on with less risk and more reward.

[hands11]

Otto just put another nail in the coffin of the count down to EG thread. I'm still fine if Ted wants to upgrade, but its getting harder for me to expect him to do that right now.

I said EG fate would be determined on how Otto worked out. He could miss on 1 of 4 top picks but not two.

Well Otto is looking pretty legit to me in the limited minutes we have seen him. Not a bust. The kid knows where to be on the floor. He fights and get rebounds. He is the glue guy we thought he was and he doesn't look to thin to play in my eyes.

EG may move up and they may hire a GM under him but Ted is almost certain to offer him a position.

Its Randy's ass that is on the fire now. He proved tonight that if he actually uses the player he has, he can adjust IN GAME to what isn't working with his standard rotations. Quicker younger teams require him to use his roster instead of playing it safe with all vets, sand Wall/Beal, and just expecting them to play harder. He made the adjustment tonight and they won the game.

The team has the talent to have a better record then they do. That's on Randy to figure out.

EGs biggest blunder to me is still two years of looking for a back up PG and losing Ves to get one. I love what Miller adds to the team but it shouldn't have taken two years to find your A Miller and it cost you your #6 pick athletic project Birdman to get him.

Now lets see if they can salvage Kevin S before its to late. But with Snaky, not sure what can be done. He doesn't seem to have the mental part to assume a bigger role. The kid has some skills, but it takes more then that.

[milellie111]

Otto just put another nail in the coffin of the count down to EG thread. I'm still fine if Ted wants to upgrade, but its getting harder for me to expect him to do that right now.

I said EG fate would be determined on how Otto worked out. He could miss on 1 of 4 top picks but not two.

Well Otto is looking pretty legit to me in the limited minutes we have seen him. Not a bust. The kid knows where to be on the floor. He fights and get rebounds. He is the glue guy we thought he was and he doesn't look to thin to play in my eyes.

EG may move up and they may hire a GM under him but Ted is almost certain to offer him a position.

Its Randy's ass that is on the fire now. He proved tonight that if he actually uses the player he has, he can adjust IN GAME to what isn't working with his standard rotations. Quicker younger teams require him to use his roster instead of playing it safe with all vets, sand Wall/Beal, and just expecting them to play harder. He made the adjustment tonight and they won the game.

The team has the talent to have a better record then they do. That's on Randy to figure out.

EGs biggest blunder to me is still two years of looking for a back up PG and losing Ves to get one. I love what Miller adds to the team but it shouldn't have taken two years to find your A Miller and it cost you your #6 pick athletic project Birdman to get him.

Now lets see if they can salvage Kevin S before its to late. But with Snaky, not sure what can be done. He doesn't seem to have the mental part to assume a bigger role. The kid has some skills, but it takes more then that.

I agree with the sentiment that it is too early to count out Porter. Wittman is playing him now and he is beginning to show some flashes with the limited amount of minutes he's been getting. I believe he will be a legit contributor.

[milellie111]

Grunfeld: You Must ‘Pay Your Dues’ Before Becoming Contenders


http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/04/03/grunfeld-you-must-pay-your-dues-before-becoming-contenders/

[MikeTheKid]

Millellie111: You Must ‘Pay Your Dues and troll harder’ Before Becoming The Ultimate Troll!!!

*Fixed

[nuposse04]

Grunfeld: You Must ‘Pay Your Dues’ Before Becoming Contenders


http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/04/03/grunfeld-you-must-pay-your-dues-before-becoming-contenders/

We could have paid our dues earlier had we a competent FO...but hey some people just like slurpin up the kool aid.

[montestewart]

Blind Lemon Ernie, payin dues, singin the blues. Very authentic.