Fry opting out?

[NaturalBuns]

Totally, why would a smart guy like McD want a guy on his team, who has made the team better every year he has been with the team.

Regardless of how people feel about Frye, it is well known that the spacing he provides makes the team better on offense, and it really isn't close compared to anyone else that isn't a point. Moreover, Frye knows those numbers, and so do many others such as GMs and coaches. If we want to continue with a Bledsoe/Goran backcourt, Frye gives them so much room to work. I totally agree that he didn't play his best this season, but oddly he still provided that spacing, and even guys like Markieff played better alongside Frye.

He didn't finish the 4th Qs majority of the year because his defense was a liability and his shot was off.
He's a solid high screen player sets good picks.


Frye is expendable.

Oh, sorry, I didn't realize Hornacek consulted you about his rotations, and why he played certain guys at certain times.

If frye isn't playing in the final minutes that says it all.
If his +\- was that important he would be in.

[rsavaj]

If Goran and Horny think Frye makes the team better then I think we should defer to their knowledge, no?

[gaspar]

McD won't commit long term for his production.
I can't believe frye even said that like as if teams are going to give him a long deal

Totally, why would a smart guy like McD want a guy on his team, who has made the team better every year he has been with the team.

Regardless of how people feel about Frye, it is well known that the spacing he provides makes the team better on offense, and it really isn't close compared to anyone else that isn't a point. Moreover, Frye knows those numbers, and so do many others such as GMs and coaches. If we want to continue with a Bledsoe/Goran backcourt, Frye gives them so much room to work. I totally agree that he didn't play his best this season, but oddly he still provided that spacing, and even guys like Markieff played better alongside Frye.

He didn't finish the 4th Qs majority of the year because his defense was a liability and his shot was off.
He's a solid high screen player sets good picks.


Frye is expendable.

What the hell are you talking about? Frye played in the crunch time in almost every game.

[Jdiddy701]

^ no he didn't.

[gaspar]

Last 5 minutes, +/- 5 pts diff

Dragic 146 minutes
Tucker 144 minutes
Green 115 minutes
Frye 105 minutes
Keef 103 minutes
Bledsoe 93 minutes
Plumlee 69 minutes
Mook 59 minutes

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If Frye is our starter next season too, we aren't gonna get past the 1st rd even if we make playoffs.

I'd give him like a $3M/yr deal to come off the bench like back in '10. Either sign or draft someone else in the summer to become starter.

[Revived]

Worried about buying a house? Didn't you just earn $6m+ this season, Channing?

Since I am going through the moving process again, with two kids in tow, I can understand someone not wanting to move again. Even if you have a company do it, there is so much involved, and quite stressful.

But since he loves being here, and now that he will have the whole summer to work on his game, maybe he works on fixing issues with some of his defense, and develop a good post game.

Yea Frye who has been in the NBA for almost 10 years now and is 31 yrs old is now going to learn how to play defense and rebound the ball...

[BobbieL]

Worried about buying a house? Didn't you just earn $6m+ this season, Channing?

Since I am going through the moving process again, with two kids in tow, I can understand someone not wanting to move again. Even if you have a company do it, there is so much involved, and quite stressful.

But since he loves being here, and now that he will have the whole summer to work on his game, maybe he works on fixing issues with some of his defense, and develop a good post game.

Yea Frye who has been in the NBA for almost 10 years now and is 31 yrs old is now going to learn how to play defense and rebound the ball...

His value is pretty high right now. The Suns are looking at a good run of 4-5 years with the young nucleus, cap space and picks - if the right deal presents itself if he opts in, take it. I get its only for teams like Houston, OKC and Portland. But one of those teams might be willing to give up a player contract and first round pick - similar to the Gortat deal - for Frye. If he opts in, its not like the Suns have cap space. If you trade him and take back an expiring and net a first rounder - again, his value will never be higher.

[RunDogGun]

Bob, please don't quote him, it's way too tough to have to read the stupid crap he writes.

Frye already knows how to play defense, and with a quicker four by his side, and he at the five, his defense is just fine. Yes this season he was a step slower, and at times, he wasn't fast enough to guard the quicker fours, or often the three, who was guarding him on the other end, but I feel that has more to do with missing a whole season, and not really having the time (because of medical clearance) than him being 31.

Oh well, the fact still remains that Frye is one of the best role players we have, and he has made the team better consistently throughout his time here. The data backs that up, and the data is a significant sample size. All the teams know this, as well as the GMs. Our coach knew this, and that is why Frye started, and played 28 minutes per game. Now people can dispute all this with their opinions, but again, the facts trump the opinions every time.

We would be fools not to resign him, even if he was to be a bench player. I would be more pissed to see us trade him, for a door number three player, and watch him continue those large pluses for one of our opponents.

[bigfoot]

Sign Frye to a five year $3M per year contract with a no trade clause. He still has a lot of basketball left in him when he moves into the role of a backup center.

[BobbieL]

Bob, please don't quote him, it's way too tough to have to read the stupid crap he writes.

Frye already knows how to play defense, and with a quicker four by his side, and he at the five, his defense is just fine. Yes this season he was a step slower, and at times, he wasn't fast enough to guard the quicker fours, or often the three, who was guarding him on the other end, but I feel that has more to do with missing a whole season, and not really having the time (because of medical clearance) than him being 31.

Oh well, the fact still remains that Frye is one of the best role players we have, and he has made the team better consistently throughout his time here. The data backs that up, and the data is a significant sample size. All the teams know this, as well as the GMs. Our coach knew this, and that is why Frye started, and played 28 minutes per game. Now people can dispute all this with their opinions, but again, the facts trump the opinions every time.

We would be fools not to resign him, even if he was to be a bench player. I would be more pissed to see us trade him, for a door number three player, and watch him continue those large pluses for one of our opponents.

I would fee better with Frye coming off the bench and a bit cheaper - $4m per year.

But to get to top 4 status in the West - its going to take some big time moves - so I am open to just about anybody being moved to get the right players.

[RunDogGun]

If trading Frye yields a superstar, who doesn't clog up the lanes, then sure, trade him. But according to the numbers, Frye is the right guy, who seems to help every main player we have.

It would be nice to see all of our guys get either needed rest this offseason, or needed work. Frye never really had decent time to get back into basketball shape that was anywhere near what Hornacek seems to want. And many of our guys just weren't ready for that many minutes at the pace Jeff wanted. Len needs to work on his whole game, and get faster and better foot work on both ends. Goodwin needs to get that outside shot down, which would not only help our offense, but would open up lanes for himself.

All of our players need to work on their free throws. I really hope that Goran doesn't play for his national team. I think he got banged around too much this past summer.

[Revived]

Since I am going through the moving process again, with two kids in tow, I can understand someone not wanting to move again. Even if you have a company do it, there is so much involved, and quite stressful.

But since he loves being here, and now that he will have the whole summer to work on his game, maybe he works on fixing issues with some of his defense, and develop a good post game.

Yea Frye who has been in the NBA for almost 10 years now and is 31 yrs old is now going to learn how to play defense and rebound the ball...

His value is pretty high right now. The Suns are looking at a good run of 4-5 years with the young nucleus, cap space and picks - if the right deal presents itself if he opts in, take it. I get its only for teams like Houston, OKC and Portland. But one of those teams might be willing to give up a player contract and first round pick - similar to the Gortat deal - for Frye. If he opts in, its not like the Suns have cap space. If you trade him and take back an expiring and net a first rounder - again, his value will never be higher.

Stretch 4s really aren't that hard to find anymore. Ryan Kelly who was a 2nd rd pick last year is playing well as a stretch big man. Pero Antic of the Hawks as well. Motiejunas of the Rockets as well, they just prefer to play more interior oriented guys despite having Dwight.

Gortat had far higher value cause Cs who can rebound, defend and some skills offensively are harde to find. Asik was the only other one that was on the trade market at the time.

I'm sure there are stretch 4s in this draft who we could get with our late picks who would fill the role of floor spacer.

[bigfoot]

For those of you who think stretch fours are a dime a dozen here you go.

Center, Forward Centers, or Center Forwards who have taken at least 100 three point attempts and have a career average better than .380.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... rder_by=ws

The only active player is Channing Frye

[Revived]

None of those guys play for the Suns who rely on 3s from their PF more than any other team.

Frye gets more open looks than any other stretch 4 in the NBA.

Ryan Kelly would be a ROY candidate if he played for the Suns and started and played the role Frye played. Ryan Anderson, Ersan illysova, Teletovic etc would all match or better Frye's stats if they played for the Suns.

IIRC Frye was a garbage player who couldn't shoot at all prior to joining the Suns. Playing with Nash and Dragic & Bledsoe is what revived his otherwise pathetic NBA career.

[bigfoot]

Ryan Kelly would be a ROY candidate if he played for the Suns and started and played the role Frye played. Ryan Anderson, Ersan illysova, Teletovic etc would all match or better Frye's stats if they played for the Suns.

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

[NaturalBuns]

Bob, please don't quote him, it's way too tough to have to read the stupid crap he writes.

Frye already knows how to play defense, and with a quicker four by his side, and he at the five, his defense is just fine. Yes this season he was a step slower, and at times, he wasn't fast enough to guard the quicker fours, or often the three, who was guarding him on the other end, but I feel that has more to do with missing a whole season, and not really having the time (because of medical clearance) than him being 31.

Oh well, the fact still remains that Frye is one of the best role players we have, and he has made the team better consistently throughout his time here. The data backs that up, and the data is a significant sample size. All the teams know this, as well as the GMs. Our coach knew this, and that is why Frye started, and played 28 minutes per game. Now people can dispute all this with their opinions, but again, the facts trump the opinions every time.

We would be fools not to resign him, even if he was to be a bench player. I would be more pissed to see us trade him, for a door number three player, and watch him continue those large pluses for one of our opponents.

The same guy who let Lillard walk in for a game winning layup?
The same guy who let Almost everyone walk over him.
Can't take you serious

[RunDogGun]

That's because you aren't smart. I'm guessing if you saw D Howard in a wheelchair, you would assume he didn't know how to play defense anymore because he couldn't physically do so. If you had read past what you highlighted you should have been able to understand what I wrote, and wouldn't have had to make a fool of yourself with your comments.

[Jdiddy701]

Channing Frye is a decent man-to-man defender. Channing frye is a TERRIBLE help side defender. Channing Frye doesn't rebound. Channing frye is not a good offensive rebounder. Overall, Channing Frye is a bad defender.

Channing frye can go months without making a shot. I think this is his last game as a Phoenix Sun. I wouldn't mind.

Good guy though.

[RunDogGun]

Channing Frye is a decent man-to-man defender. Channing frye is a TERRIBLE help side defender. Channing Frye doesn't rebound. Channing frye is not a good offensive rebounder. Overall, Channing Frye is a bad defender.

Channing frye can go months without making a shot. I think this is his last game as a Phoenix Sun. I wouldn't mind.

Good guy though.

He isn't a bad defender, he just isn't quick enough to guard faster fours. There is a big difference. If you don't understand why Frye doesn't get many offensive rebounds, I really don't know what to say to you.