Dario Saric

[EMG518]

Outside of handling the ball well for a big, what skill set does he possess thats elite or even above average ?

Elite passing with above average court vision. If he could improve his shot which I believe he can and be close to average on defense he will be an effective 4.

[Jazzfan12]

i don't think he'd have ANY physical or athletic advantages at the PF position. if he's projected as strictly a PF, i think he loses a lot of his luster as a prospect.

He can't beat anyone off the dribble and, most of the time, plays like Tiago Splitter. He's a PF and I can't see him playing SF in the NBA.

[coutournant]

Doesn't he struggle too shoot the ball as well???

I just can't see this kid becoming anything special.

Rudy Fernandez was a euro primadonna, but he was quick, could shoot the 3,handle the ball and finish.


Outside of handling the ball well for a big, what skill set does he possess thats elite or even above average ?

Elite passing and vision, elite motor, great rebounding and back to basket skills.
To me he's one of the mos all around prospect on offense. He will be able to play both sf and pf position in the nba, depending on what's the machup. He's not an athletic freak on defense, but he's not slow or weak and gives a lot of hustle

[Curmudgeon]

Rumor is that Saric has a new deal in Turkey and isn't going to enter the NBA draft. I guess some guys would prefer to swim in a smaller pond.

[ManualRam]

well, he declared...AND he plans on playing euroleague ball for a couple of years too. he also wants to be top 10/lotto, the uncertainty of his timeline lowers his stock imo. what top 10 or lotto team would take him and be willing to wait for saric? if he stays in the draft and isn't taken in the lotto, do you think that would push back his arrival date even more?

[Marcus]

well, he declared...AND he plans on playing euroleague ball for a couple of years too. he also wants to be top 10/lotto, the uncertainty of his timeline lowers his stock imo. what top 10 or lotto team would take him and be willing to wait for saric? if he stays in the draft and isn't taken in the lotto, do you think that would push back his arrival date even more?

is he a top ten talent worth this much what sounds to be ego out of his camp. he "may take a lottery pick" but may withdraw if he's not a top 10?

[ManualRam]

well, he declared...AND he plans on playing euroleague ball for a couple of years too. he also wants to be top 10/lotto, the uncertainty of his timeline lowers his stock imo. what top 10 or lotto team would take him and be willing to wait for saric? if he stays in the draft and isn't taken in the lotto, do you think that would push back his arrival date even more?

is he a top ten talent worth this much what sounds to be ego out of his camp. he "may take a lottery pick" but may withdraw if he's not a top 10?

i'm not as much concerned about his ego as much as his timeline. is he a lotto talent? sure, i'd agree with that. top 10? highly debatable. is he a lotto talent with the uncertainty of his arrival? i'd say no.

as it stands, PHX has 2 picks in the top 17. maybe that would be an ideal team to take him, but i wonder if he's taken with their 2nd pick if that would influence when he would come over.

[Marcus]

well, he declared...AND he plans on playing euroleague ball for a couple of years too. he also wants to be top 10/lotto, the uncertainty of his timeline lowers his stock imo. what top 10 or lotto team would take him and be willing to wait for saric? if he stays in the draft and isn't taken in the lotto, do you think that would push back his arrival date even more?

is he a top ten talent worth this much what sounds to be ego out of his camp. he "may take a lottery pick" but may withdraw if he's not a top 10?

i'm not as much concerned about his ego as much as his timeline. is he a lotto talent? sure, i'd agree with that. top 10? highly debatable. is he a lotto talent with the uncertainty of his arrival? i'd say no.

as it stands, PHX has 2 picks in the top 17. maybe that would be an ideal team to take him, but i wonder if he's taken with their 2nd pick if that would influence when he would come over.

so with all the speculation being what it is, sounds like he's not worth the possible hassle unless you already have players in place to fill those roles or multiple first round picks like the 6ers or suns as you mentioned.

[pohani komarac]

well, he declared...AND he plans on playing euroleague ball for a couple of years too. he also wants to be top 10/lotto, the uncertainty of his timeline lowers his stock imo. what top 10 or lotto team would take him and be willing to wait for saric? if he stays in the draft and isn't taken in the lotto, do you think that would push back his arrival date even more?

is he a top ten talent worth this much what sounds to be ego out of his camp. he "may take a lottery pick" but may withdraw if he's not a top 10?

It's not about ego, it's about buyout. How hard is to understand that. His buyout is about 1,6 M$. He could not pay that being 28 pick.

2nd, all this rumours latley are under big question, since he fired his agent and was without him until he signed with BeoBasket few days ago

[Marcus]

It's not about ego, it's about buyout. How hard is to understand that. His buyout is about 1,6 M$. He could not pay that being 28 pick.

aren't the buyouts handled by the drafting team?

[Ryu]

It's not about ego, it's about buyout. How hard is to understand that. His buyout is about 1,6 M$. He could not pay that being 28 pick.

aren't the buyouts handled by the drafting team?

A NBA team can pay only 500k max of buyout.

[Marcus]

It's not about ego, it's about buyout. How hard is to understand that. His buyout is about 1,6 M$. He could not pay that being 28 pick.

aren't the buyouts handled by the drafting team?

A NBA team can pay only 500k max of buyout.

that makes more sense.

[Kevin Willis]

Yes, the drafting team has to work it out with all parties involved but there are limits to how much can be paid. that's why he needs to be drafted higher.

Also Philly can draft and stash, they have a ton of picks and bring him over when they're playoff ready. PHX is very athletic, don't know how he would fit but who knows.

[Novocaine]

i don't think he'd have ANY physical or athletic advantages at the PF position. if he's projected as strictly a PF, i think he loses a lot of his luster as a prospect.

You don't think he's quicker and faster than a typical PF? He clearly is. You just haven't seen him much. He's also super quick leaving the floor.

well, he declared...AND he plans on playing euroleague ball for a couple of years too. he also wants to be top 10/lotto, the uncertainty of his timeline lowers his stock imo. what top 10 or lotto team would take him and be willing to wait for saric? if he stays in the draft and isn't taken in the lotto, do you think that would push back his arrival date even more?

If he stays in Europe, then he'll stay there 3 more years and only come over once the rookie scale provision had expired, making his draft position immaterial. Mirotic style.

[ManualRam]

no, i don't think he's faster than a typical NBA PF.

if his plan is to stay in europe until his rookie contract expires, then no team should even bother drafting him until at least late, late first.

[Novocaine]

no, i don't think he's faster than a typical NBA PF.

Heh. I think you just hate to admit you are wrong. Weren't you saying he should play at SF just a couple of months ago? In spite of people telling you that he was a pure PF at this point of his career? You just haven't seen the guy and you go by what you read. Anyone who says he isn't faster than a typical NBA PF simply can't be taken seriously. This goes beyond a difference in opinions.

if his plan is to stay in europe until his rookie contract expires, then no team should even bother drafting him until at least late, late first.

I'm not sure that's his plan, in the sense you're giving. Perhaps more of a contingency plan. Just speculating: if he's drafted up to position #x, he'll come right away. If he's drafted lower than that, then he'll stay in Europe for 3 seasons and avoid the rookie scale.

Pretty sure his agent will tell teams: if you have seed x or higher, you can draft him and he'll join; if you have a lower seed, he'll join in 3 years. Up to teams to decide, I don't see the problem here.

[ManualRam]

no, i don't think he's faster than a typical NBA PF.

Heh. I think you just hate to admit you are wrong. Weren't you saying he should play at SF just a couple of months ago? In spite of people telling you that he was a pure PF at this point of his career? You just haven't seen the guy and you go by what you read. Anyone who says he isn't faster than a typical NBA PF simply can't be taken seriously. This goes beyond a difference in opinions.

if his plan is to stay in europe until his rookie contract expires, then no team should even bother drafting him until at least late, late first.

I'm not sure that's his plan, in the sense you're giving. Perhaps more of a contingency plan. Just speculating: if he's drafted up to position #x, he'll come right away. If he's drafted lower than that, then he'll stay in Europe for 3 seasons and avoid the rookie scale.

Pretty sure his agent will tell teams: if you have seed x or higher, you can draft him and he'll join; if you have a lower seed, he'll join in 3 years. Up to teams to decide, I don't see the problem here.

no, i just don't think he's fast by nba pf standards. and yes i did say i think he should at least be tried out at SF first because he WOULD have physical advantages at that position. his length (or lack of) would play better at that position as would his mass/strength, it would be easier to shoot over the top of his defender at that position, which would make his shot fake more respectable, in turn making his show-n-go game more effective and his first step quicker.
i dont care if you dont take me seriously. i dont think saric will be blowing by nba pfs with ease unless he gets them up in the air first. imo, saric will have to adapt his game due to his physical shortcomings. i don't think he'll be able to play the same game that he's playing right now and be nearly as effective.


the issue is whether teams will think he's worth a top 10 or lotto pick if he won't come for at least 2 years. i'd say no.

[Novocaine]

no, i don't think he's faster than a typical NBA PF.

Heh. I think you just hate to admit you are wrong. Weren't you saying he should play at SF just a couple of months ago? In spite of people telling you that he was a pure PF at this point of his career? You just haven't seen the guy and you go by what you read. Anyone who says he isn't faster than a typical NBA PF simply can't be taken seriously. This goes beyond a difference in opinions.

if his plan is to stay in europe until his rookie contract expires, then no team should even bother drafting him until at least late, late first.

I'm not sure that's his plan, in the sense you're giving. Perhaps more of a contingency plan. Just speculating: if he's drafted up to position #x, he'll come right away. If he's drafted lower than that, then he'll stay in Europe for 3 seasons and avoid the rookie scale.

Pretty sure his agent will tell teams: if you have seed x or higher, you can draft him and he'll join; if you have a lower seed, he'll join in 3 years. Up to teams to decide, I don't see the problem here.

no, i just don't think he's fast by nba pf standards. and yes i did say i think he should at least be tried out at SF first because he WOULD have physical advantages at that position. his length (or lack of) would play better at that position as would his mass/strength, it would be easier to shoot over the top of his defender at that position, which would make his shot fake more respectable, in turn making his show-n-go game more effective and his first step quicker.
i dont care if you dont take me seriously. i dont think saric will be blowing by nba pfs with ease unless he gets them up in the air first. imo, saric will have to adapt his game due to his physical shortcomings. i don't think he'll be able to play the same game that he's playing right now and be nearly as .

With all respect, I doubt you've seen more than a few highlights of him considering everything you've been saying. You just won't admit it.

the issue is whether teams will think he's worth a top 10 or lotto pick if he won't come for at least 2 years. i'd say no.

If Saric says "if I'm drafted top-10, I'll come right away. If I'm drafted after the top-10, I'll only go in 3 years" how is that an issue? It's totally a non-issue: draft him in top-10 and he'll join right away, if you don't draft him in the top-10 you'll wait for 3 years (and won't get him on the rookie scale) so adjust your decision accordingly. It isn't that hard to understand.

[dorkestra]

I dunno man, I live in Europe and get to watch a lot of his games. I think MR is right regarding his speed. He will never blow by an nba pf with his current shot because he will always be played for the drive.

[ManualRam]

With all respect, I doubt you've seen more than a few highlights of him considering everything you've been saying. You just won't admit it.

the issue is whether teams will think he's worth a top 10 or lotto pick if he won't come for at least 2 years. i'd say no.

If Saric says "if I'm drafted top-10, I'll come right away. If I'm drafted after the top-10, I'll only go in 3 years" how is that an issue? It's totally a non-issue: draft him in top-10 and he'll join right away, if you don't draft him in the top-10 you'll wait for 3 years (and won't get him on the rookie scale) so adjust your decision accordingly. It isn't that hard to understand.

well then you'd be wrong.

it's not about comprehending. i'm just talking about the options that the gms who are considering him have to weigh. also, i doubt he'll join "right away" regardless of where he's picked. since he' likely won't come right away then he's not worth a top 10 pick or a lotto pick for that matter, which pushes his arrival back even further.