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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1361 » by JDR720 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:44 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Some tidbits from the interview.

- Nothing mentioned about the Bobcats
- His bed was 23,000$ and is 12 feet long and 10 feet wide
- They asked him how high his vertical is, he said not very high
- The first time he dunked in a game he was 14 and did a lap around the gym during the game afterwards

but you can't forget that all 3 of them are Miami fans so i expected random questions that have nothing to do with the playoffs and Bobcats in general
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Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1362 » by Logander » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:56 pm

https://twitter.com/espn/status/456525681984172032

Neat little video on players Bill and Jalen are happy that made the playoffs.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1363 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:54 am

This is a long way away, but we all assumed that Jefferson would pick up his player option for the season after next. If he has another year next year like he did this year I can easily see him opting out and going for that one last long term 4 year deal. Would we offer him anything like that?
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1364 » by catch20two » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:06 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:This is a long way away, but we all assumed that Jefferson would pick up his player option for the season after next. If he has another year next year like he did this year I can easily see him opting out and going for that one last long term 4 year deal. Would we offer him anything like that?

It depends on how he plays next year and how important he is to our success. If he has another year like this year without any concerning injuries then I would say yes, give him the extension, but if he show signs of regressing and we think or prove we can win without him then it becomes a sketchy issue.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1365 » by JDR720 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:08 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:This is a long way away, but we all assumed that Jefferson would pick up his player option for the season after next. If he has another year next year like he did this year I can easily see him opting out and going for that one last long term 4 year deal. Would we offer him anything like that?

It all depends on how Biz or another C on the team has developed and how healthy he is
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1366 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:24 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:This is a long way away, but we all assumed that Jefferson would pick up his player option for the season after next. If he has another year next year like he did this year I can easily see him opting out and going for that one last long term 4 year deal. Would we offer him anything like that?

It all depends on how Biz or another C on the team has developed and how healthy he is


Biyombo better get to developing then.

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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1367 » by catch20two » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:29 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
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Liver_Pooty wrote:This is a long way away, but we all assumed that Jefferson would pick up his player option for the season after next. If he has another year next year like he did this year I can easily see him opting out and going for that one last long term 4 year deal. Would we offer him anything like that?

It all depends on how Biz or another C on the team has developed and how healthy he is


Biyombo better get to developing then.

I honestly think we could win 40-50 games with Biz starting at C if we had a SG that can score like Harden. Unfortunately we don't.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1368 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:30 am

catch20two wrote:
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JDR720 wrote:It all depends on how Biz or another C on the team has developed and how healthy he is


Biyombo better get to developing then.

I honestly think we could win 40-50 games with Biz starting at C if we had a SG that can score like Harden.


Lol well yeah probably since we would basically be letting go of our top 2-3 center for arguably the best SG in the NBA. Its about a wash.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1369 » by JDR720 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:33 am

if Biz started and played 30-35 mins as he is now he would probably average 8pt and 11rb with 2-3 blocks
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1370 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:40 am

JDR720 wrote:if Biz started and played 30-35 mins as he is now he would probably average 8pt and 11rb with 2-3 blocks


Hes still a long way from starting material in my opinion. Still a little piece of clay that needs to be molded. Every pregame Jefferson is working with him, and has all season long. Biyombo needs another couple years of that tutoring before I think he can be the player that I think he can be.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1371 » by catch20two » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:43 am

JDR720 wrote:if Biz started and played 30-35 mins as he is now he would probably average 8pt and 11rb with 2-3 blocks

I look at Miles Plumlee with the Suns and think to myself Biz can do that but probably better.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1372 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:45 am

catch20two wrote:
JDR720 wrote:if Biz started and played 30-35 mins as he is now he would probably average 8pt and 11rb with 2-3 blocks

I look at Miles Plumlee with the Suns and think to myself Biz can do that but probably better.


I disagree completely. Eventually Biyombo can, but he isn't half as coordinated as Plumlee is right now. When Biyombo is 23 or so he might be able to.

Next year, his 4th in the league, we will be able to see what he can be.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1373 » by catch20two » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:52 am

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catch20two wrote:
JDR720 wrote:if Biz started and played 30-35 mins as he is now he would probably average 8pt and 11rb with 2-3 blocks

I look at Miles Plumlee with the Suns and think to myself Biz can do that but probably better.


I disagree completely. Eventually Biyombo can, but he isn't half as coordinated as Plumlee is right now. When Biyombo is 23 or so he might be able to.

Next year, his 4th in the league, we will be able to see what he can be.

He may not be half as coordinated but he's doubly as impactful as a rebounder and defender.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1374 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:56 am

catch20two wrote:
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catch20two wrote:I look at Miles Plumlee with the Suns and think to myself Biz can do that but probably better.


I disagree completely. Eventually Biyombo can, but he isn't half as coordinated as Plumlee is right now. When Biyombo is 23 or so he might be able to.

Next year, his 4th in the league, we will be able to see what he can be.

He may not be half as coordinated but he's doubly as impactful as a rebounder and defender.


Very true, but it all comes down to that you can't have Biyombo and MKG starting together or being on the court at the same time.
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Post#1375 » by catch20two » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:03 am

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I disagree completely. Eventually Biyombo can, but he isn't half as coordinated as Plumlee is right now. When Biyombo is 23 or so he might be able to.

Next year, his 4th in the league, we will be able to see what he can be.

He may not be half as coordinated but he's doubly as impactful as a rebounder and defender.


Very true, but it all comes down to that you can't have Biyombo and MKG starting together or being on the court at the same time.

That's where the scoring SG (at least 20 ppg) come into play. I wouldn't consider Hendo a scoring SG. He maxes out at 15 ppg as a go-to guy and that's pretty average. Even Gerald Green average that as a 3rd option.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1376 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:05 am

catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:He may not be half as coordinated but he's doubly as impactful as a rebounder and defender.


Very true, but it all comes down to that you can't have Biyombo and MKG starting together or being on the court at the same time.

That's where the scoring SG (at least 20 ppg) come into play. I wouldn't consider Hendo a scoring SG. He maxes out at 15 ppg as a go-to guy and that's pretty average.


How many SG's average 20 a game these days though? That position is so diluted its insane. Derozan could be considered an elite SG these days, and I don't find him really THAT impressive.
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Post#1377 » by catch20two » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:07 am

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Very true, but it all comes down to that you can't have Biyombo and MKG starting together or being on the court at the same time.

That's where the scoring SG (at least 20 ppg) come into play. I wouldn't consider Hendo a scoring SG. He maxes out at 15 ppg as a go-to guy and that's pretty average.


How many SG's average 20 a game these days though? That position is so diluted its insane. Derozan could be considered an elite SG these days, and I don't find him really THAT impressive.

If we had Derozan instead of Hendo we would have won probably 55 games this year. Derozan score more 20 point games in a month than Hendo do in a entire season.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1378 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:09 am

catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:That's where the scoring SG (at least 20 ppg) come into play. I wouldn't consider Hendo a scoring SG. He maxes out at 15 ppg as a go-to guy and that's pretty average.


How many SG's average 20 a game these days though? That position is so diluted its insane. Derozan could be considered an elite SG these days, and I don't find him really THAT impressive.

If we had Derozan instead of Hendo we would have won probably 55 games this year. Derozan score more 20 point games in a month than Hendo do in a entire season.


Lol you are reaching big time my man, and by reaching I mean Inspector Gadget type reaching. Derozan is terrible, horrific defensively. Hes turned into a nice scorer, but still can't shoot the deep ball that efficiently. He is also extremely ball dominant. For what he is getting paid Im content with keeping Henderson over him.

We definitely dont sniff 55 wins with him. Hell, we wouldn't sniff 55 wins with James Harden.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1379 » by catch20two » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:15 am

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How many SG's average 20 a game these days though? That position is so diluted its insane. Derozan could be considered an elite SG these days, and I don't find him really THAT impressive.

If we had Derozan instead of Hendo we would have won probably 55 games this year. Derozan score more 20 point games in a month than Hendo do in a entire season.


Lol you are reaching big time my man, and by reaching I mean Inspector Gadget type reaching. Derozan is terrible, horrific defensively. Hes turned into a nice scorer, but still can't shoot the deep ball that efficiently. He is also extremely ball dominant. For what he is getting paid Im content with keeping Henderson over him.

We definitely dont sniff 55 wins with him. Hell, we wouldn't sniff 55 wins with James Harden.

You're underestimating Derozan. He's a huge part to that 48 or so wins that the Raptors have. Hendo isn't even that good defensively. He's statistically like the 4th best defender in the starting lineup. Derozan isn't any more ball dominant than ball stopper Hendo and even if he is he justify it by putting the ball in the hoop more efficiently and frequently than Hendo. Derozan isn't elite but he's young enough to become that. He's definitely a top 5 SG.
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Post#1380 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:17 am

catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:If we had Derozan instead of Hendo we would have won probably 55 games this year. Derozan score more 20 point games in a month than Hendo do in a entire season.


Lol you are reaching big time my man, and by reaching I mean Inspector Gadget type reaching. Derozan is terrible, horrific defensively. Hes turned into a nice scorer, but still can't shoot the deep ball that efficiently. He is also extremely ball dominant. For what he is getting paid Im content with keeping Henderson over him.

We definitely dont sniff 55 wins with him. Hell, we wouldn't sniff 55 wins with James Harden.

You're underestimating Derozan. He's a huge part to that 48 or so wins that the Raptors have. Hendo isn't even that good defensively. He's statistically like the 4th best defender in the starting lineup. Derozan isn't any more ball dominant than ball stopper Hendo and even if he is he justify it by putting the ball in the hoop more efficiently and frequently than Hendo. Derozan isn't elite but he's young enough to become that. He's definitely a top 5 SG.


If we replace Henderson with Derozan I believe we would have won 46, maybe 47 games. No way do we win more games in the regular season than the Miami Heat and almost overtake Indiana for the 1 seed.

This is Derozan we are talking about, not 2004 Kobe Bryant.
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