Dario Saric

[Novocaine]

I dunno man, I live in Europe and get to watch a lot of his games. I think MR is right regarding his speed. He will never blow by an nba pf with his current shot because he will always be played for the drive.

Really? Which tv channel do you use to watch his games? Just out of curiosity.

And what exactly do you think of his "current shot"? How do you rate Saric's shot? His 3 point shot? His 2 point shot?

Saric is so fast changing ends he often beats guards up and down the court. He has a ball-handling and a first step very few bigs possess - he played most of his career as a ball dominant point-guard, basically.

Mind you, MR's theory is that this guy is too slow and his shot too bad to be able to attack NBA pfs, so he wants him playing against NBA wings by...shooting over them. You agree with him because... his current shot is really bad. Obviously that means he should become... wait for it.. a shooting wing.

Here's an advise: one doesn't need to pretend to know every freaking player in the draft. Or have opinions on all of them. I surely don't.

[Novocaine]

With all respect, I doubt you've seen more than a few highlights of him considering everything you've been saying. You just won't admit it.

the issue is whether teams will think he's worth a top 10 or lotto pick if he won't come for at least 2 years. i'd say no.

If Saric says "if I'm drafted top-10, I'll come right away. If I'm drafted after the top-10, I'll only go in 3 years" how is that an issue? It's totally a non-issue: draft him in top-10 and he'll join right away, if you don't draft him in the top-10 you'll wait for 3 years (and won't get him on the rookie scale) so adjust your decision accordingly. It isn't that hard to understand.

well then you'd be wrong.

it's not about comprehending. i'm just talking about the options that the gms who are considering him have to weigh. also, i doubt he'll join "right away" regardless of where he's picked. since he' likely won't come right away then he's not worth a top 10 pick or a lotto pick for that matter, which pushes his arrival back even further.

If he doesn't plan to join right away regardless of where he's picked, then no GM will waste a lottery pick on him it's totally immaterial to him where he's going to get picked anyway and won't affect his arrival one way or the other - he'll wait for the rookie scale provision to expire.

I do think he might decide to join right away if he gets picked high enough in order to net a salary that allows him to pay the buyout. If that isn't the case, then he won't even bother to do workouts. He can stay in the draft, then join the NBA in 3 years with a salary not limited to the rookie scale and free of buyout payments.

Still, it doesn't matter - GMs will know where he stands, they'll know they'll either be drafting to have him right away or have him in 3 years.

[dorkestra]

I dunno man, I live in Europe and get to watch a lot of his games. I think MR is right regarding his speed. He will never blow by an nba pf with his current shot because he will always be played for the drive.

Really? Which tv channel do you use to watch his games? Just out of curiosity.

And what exactly do you think of his "current shot"? How do you rate Saric's shot? His 3 point shot? His 2 point shot?

Saric is so fast changing ends he often beats guards up and down the court. He has a ball-handling and a first step very few bigs possess - he played most of his career as a ball dominant point-guard, basically.

Mind you, MR's theory is that this guy is too slow and his shot too bad to be able to attack NBA pfs, so he wants him playing against NBA wings by...shooting over them. You agree with him because... his current shot is really bad. Obviously that means he should become... wait for it.. a shooting wing.

Here's an advise: one doesn't need to pretend to know every freaking player in the draft. Or have opinions on all of them. I surely don't.

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i said that he was right in regards to Saric blowing by PFs. They are much quicker in the NBA and due to the fact that he doesn't have a jump shot, they'll play him for the drive, and he will struggle. That's typically how it works. so when you say "you agree with you because" you were flat out wrong. take the extra couple seconds to actually read someone's post before throwing a little hissy fit.

[Novocaine]

I dunno man, I live in Europe and get to watch a lot of his games. I think MR is right regarding his speed. He will never blow by an nba pf with his current shot because he will always be played for the drive.

Really? Which tv channel do you use to watch his games? Just out of curiosity.

And what exactly do you think of his "current shot"? How do you rate Saric's shot? His 3 point shot? His 2 point shot?

Saric is so fast changing ends he often beats guards up and down the court. He has a ball-handling and a first step very few bigs possess - he played most of his career as a ball dominant point-guard, basically.

Mind you, MR's theory is that this guy is too slow and his shot too bad to be able to attack NBA pfs, so he wants him playing against NBA wings by...shooting over them. You agree with him because... his current shot is really bad. Obviously that means he should become... wait for it.. a shooting wing.

Here's an advise: one doesn't need to pretend to know every freaking player in the draft. Or have opinions on all of them. I surely don't.

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i said that he was right in regards to Saric blowing by PFs. They are much quicker in the NBA and due to the fact that he doesn't have a jump shot, they'll play him for the drive, and he will struggle. That's typically how it works. so when you say "you agree with you because" you were flat out wrong. take the extra couple seconds to actually read someone's post before throwing a little hissy fit.

If you watch online, why is it relevant where you live? You understand that's nonsensical, right? Were you trying to claim some authority or something?

Who told you Saric doesn't have a jump-shot? You figured that by watching him? I asked you to rate his 2pt and 3pt jumpshot, why don't you?

If Saric a) doesn't have a jumpshot b) can't even drive by PFs c) is too slow even for a PF I fail to see why he's even a NBA player.

Again, in this forum lots of people just kept repeating what they read in the past, up until last Summer, about Saric. The stuff about him being slow or lacking athleticism - which was true when he was projected to be a wing.

Some have admitted it (even in this thread); others won't. The later can't be taken seriously.

[dorkestra]

Really? Which tv channel do you use to watch his games? Just out of curiosity.

And what exactly do you think of his "current shot"? How do you rate Saric's shot? His 3 point shot? His 2 point shot?

Saric is so fast changing ends he often beats guards up and down the court. He has a ball-handling and a first step very few bigs possess - he played most of his career as a ball dominant point-guard, basically.

Mind you, MR's theory is that this guy is too slow and his shot too bad to be able to attack NBA pfs, so he wants him playing against NBA wings by...shooting over them. You agree with him because... his current shot is really bad. Obviously that means he should become... wait for it.. a shooting wing.

Here's an advise: one doesn't need to pretend to know every freaking player in the draft. Or have opinions on all of them. I surely don't.

lol

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i said that he was right in regards to Saric blowing by PFs. They are much quicker in the NBA and due to the fact that he doesn't have a jump shot, they'll play him for the drive, and he will struggle. That's typically how it works. so when you say "you agree with you because" you were flat out wrong. take the extra couple seconds to actually read someone's post before throwing a little hissy fit.

If you watch online, why is it relevant where you live? You understand that's nonsensical, right? Were you trying to claim some authority or something?

Who told you Saric doesn't have a jump-shot? You figured that by watching him? I asked you to rate his 2pt and 3pt jumpshot, why don't you?

If Saric a) doesn't have a jumpshot b) can't even drive by PFs c) is too slow even for a PF I fail to see why he's even a NBA player.

Again, in this forum lots of people just kept repeating what they read in the past, up until last Summer, about Saric. The stuff about him being slow or lacking athleticism - which was true when he was projected to be a wing.

Some have admitted it (even in this thread); others won't. The later can't be taken seriously.

It actually makes a huge difference. I guess you haven't moved around very much. I can explain it if its really necessary. When I get home from work I can watch European basketball because there are games on at a reasonable time. If I want to see an NBA game, I have to stay up through the night which impacts my next day of work. If I live in New York for instance, I would have to be somehow tuning into games while I was still at work. See how it works?

His three point shot is barely average if he's just catching and shooting. If he's taking it off the dribble, his form becomes affected and his release point highly inconsistent. Two point jumpers is almost a trick question as he doesn't take that many mid range jumpers. Looks awkward when he does though and you can see his elbow protruding at various angles influencing his shot. He's very predictable once he starts trying to break someone down, you know he's going to brick a three or more likely drive it to the hoop.

Thing is, if you project him as a power forward, he will be exploited so regularly on defense. His lack of length and strength will have him tossed around like a rag doll. Interior defense is a pretty big deal. He would be better off as a smart defender at SF, making the correct rotations, and disrupting passing lanes with his intuition. He'll get blown by most of these guys if they decide to drive to the hole, but that's what help defense is for. He's going to be a defense liability one way or another, but it typically doesn't hurt as bad when you're out on the wing.

[RSCD3_]

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i said that he was right in regards to Saric blowing by PFs. They are much quicker in the NBA and due to the fact that he doesn't have a jump shot, they'll play him for the drive, and he will struggle. That's typically how it works. so when you say "you agree with you because" you were flat out wrong. take the extra couple seconds to actually read someone's post before throwing a little hissy fit.

If you watch online, why is it relevant where you live? You understand that's nonsensical, right? Were you trying to claim some authority or something?

Who told you Saric doesn't have a jump-shot? You figured that by watching him? I asked you to rate his 2pt and 3pt jumpshot, why don't you?

If Saric a) doesn't have a jumpshot b) can't even drive by PFs c) is too slow even for a PF I fail to see why he's even a NBA player.

Again, in this forum lots of people just kept repeating what they read in the past, up until last Summer, about Saric. The stuff about him being slow or lacking athleticism - which was true when he was projected to be a wing.

Some have admitted it (even in this thread); others won't. The later can't be taken seriously.

It actually makes a huge difference. I guess you haven't moved around very much. I can explain it if its really necessary. When I get home from work I can watch European basketball because there are games on at a reasonable time. If I want to see an NBA game, I have to stay up through the night which impacts my next day of work. If I live in New York for instance, I would have to be somehow tuning into games while I was still at work. See how it works?

His three point shot is barely average if he's just catching and shooting. If he's taking it off the dribble, his form becomes affected and his release point highly inconsistent. Two point jumpers is almost a trick question as he doesn't take that many mid range jumpers. Looks awkward when he does though and you can see his elbow protruding at various angles influencing his shot. He's very predictable once he starts trying to break someone down, you know he's going to brick a three or more likely drive it to the hoop.

Thing is, if you project him as a power forward, he will be exploited so regularly on defense. His lack of length and strength will have him tossed around like a rag doll. Interior defense is a pretty big deal. He would be better off as a smart defender at SF, making the correct rotations, and disrupting passing lanes with his intuition. He'll get blown by most of these guys if they decide to drive to the hole, but that's what help defense is for. He's going to be a defense liability one way or another, but it typically doesn't hurt as bad when you're out on the wing.

Its seems like your describing a very poor man's doug dermott.

Does he do anything good?

Bad shooter and unathletic, cannot drive at all, will not be able to get shots off in the post, bad defender at all positions, attitude problems, very few nba translatable skills.

Does he have subpar court vision

Based on your reports I wouldnt touch this guy with a late second round even if he agreed to come over.

Also im not mocking your post

It just seems like this guys nba ceiling is luke walton, let me repeat that the best he could be is luke walton, why would nba gm wants a guy like that on their team

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[Novocaine]

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i said that he was right in regards to Saric blowing by PFs. They are much quicker in the NBA and due to the fact that he doesn't have a jump shot, they'll play him for the drive, and he will struggle. That's typically how it works. so when you say "you agree with you because" you were flat out wrong. take the extra couple seconds to actually read someone's post before throwing a little hissy fit.

If you watch online, why is it relevant where you live? You understand that's nonsensical, right? Were you trying to claim some authority or something?

Who told you Saric doesn't have a jump-shot? You figured that by watching him? I asked you to rate his 2pt and 3pt jumpshot, why don't you?

If Saric a) doesn't have a jumpshot b) can't even drive by PFs c) is too slow even for a PF I fail to see why he's even a NBA player.

Again, in this forum lots of people just kept repeating what they read in the past, up until last Summer, about Saric. The stuff about him being slow or lacking athleticism - which was true when he was projected to be a wing.

Some have admitted it (even in this thread); others won't. The later can't be taken seriously.

It actually makes a huge difference. I guess you haven't moved around very much. I can explain it if its really necessary. When I get home from work I can watch European basketball because there are games on at a reasonable time. If I want to see an NBA game, I have to stay up through the night which impacts my next day of work. If I live in New York for instance, I would have to be somehow tuning into games while I was still at work. See how it works?

His three point shot is barely average if he's just catching and shooting. If he's taking it off the dribble, his form becomes affected and his release point highly inconsistent. Two point jumpers is almost a trick question as he doesn't take that many mid range jumpers. Looks awkward when he does though and you can see his elbow protruding at various angles influencing his shot. He's very predictable once he starts trying to break someone down, you know he's going to brick a three or more likely drive it to the hoop.

Thing is, if you project him as a power forward, he will be exploited so regularly on defense. His lack of length and strength will have him tossed around like a rag doll. Interior defense is a pretty big deal. He would be better off as a smart defender at SF, making the correct rotations, and disrupting passing lanes with his intuition. He'll get blown by most of these guys if they decide to drive to the hole, but that's what help defense is for. He's going to be a defense liability one way or another, but it typically doesn't hurt as bad when you're out on the wing.

You should take advantage of the fact that ABA games are available online on delay. Also, they're on weekends, not workdays. But I take you watch them live; is that correct?

You're just making stuff up and we both know it. I don't care much if others will believe you or not. When you say stuff like "he's very predictable once he starts trying to break someone down, you know he's going to brick a three or more likely drive it to the hoop" that shows you're just parroting stuff. Saric rarely isolates on the perimeter nowadays.

Anyway, I'll point out again that if you actually believe in the stuff you wrote here, then there's no way Saric is a NBA player. He's not even worth a 2nd rounder or a SL invitations. Can't shoot, his game off the dribble is easily stopped even by PFs, unathletic, defensive sieve, no midrange. How on earth such a terrible player is the best in a relatively decent league like the ABA is truly puzzling, isn't it?

[Winglish]

Does he do anything good?

Does he have subpar court vision?

Saric is the best passer in the draft. I don't think it's close.

[coutournant]

Saric didn't look that unathletic when he played against american prospects at the Nike Hoop Summit.
Saric is not an explosive freak with great length, but I think his athleticism is really underrated.

[dorkestra]

If you watch online, why is it relevant where you live? You understand that's nonsensical, right? Were you trying to claim some authority or something?

Who told you Saric doesn't have a jump-shot? You figured that by watching him? I asked you to rate his 2pt and 3pt jumpshot, why don't you?

If Saric a) doesn't have a jumpshot b) can't even drive by PFs c) is too slow even for a PF I fail to see why he's even a NBA player.

Again, in this forum lots of people just kept repeating what they read in the past, up until last Summer, about Saric. The stuff about him being slow or lacking athleticism - which was true when he was projected to be a wing.

Some have admitted it (even in this thread); others won't. The later can't be taken seriously.

It actually makes a huge difference. I guess you haven't moved around very much. I can explain it if its really necessary. When I get home from work I can watch European basketball because there are games on at a reasonable time. If I want to see an NBA game, I have to stay up through the night which impacts my next day of work. If I live in New York for instance, I would have to be somehow tuning into games while I was still at work. See how it works?

His three point shot is barely average if he's just catching and shooting. If he's taking it off the dribble, his form becomes affected and his release point highly inconsistent. Two point jumpers is almost a trick question as he doesn't take that many mid range jumpers. Looks awkward when he does though and you can see his elbow protruding at various angles influencing his shot. He's very predictable once he starts trying to break someone down, you know he's going to brick a three or more likely drive it to the hoop.

Thing is, if you project him as a power forward, he will be exploited so regularly on defense. His lack of length and strength will have him tossed around like a rag doll. Interior defense is a pretty big deal. He would be better off as a smart defender at SF, making the correct rotations, and disrupting passing lanes with his intuition. He'll get blown by most of these guys if they decide to drive to the hole, but that's what help defense is for. He's going to be a defense liability one way or another, but it typically doesn't hurt as bad when you're out on the wing.

You should take advantage of the fact that ABA games are available online on delay. Also, they're on weekends, not workdays. But I take you watch them live; is that correct?

You're just making stuff up and we both know it. I don't care much if others will believe you or not. When you say stuff like "he's very predictable once he starts trying to break someone down, you know he's going to brick a three or more likely drive it to the hoop" that shows you're just parroting stuff. Saric rarely isolates on the perimeter nowadays.

Anyway, I'll point out again that if you actually believe in the stuff you wrote here, then there's no way Saric is a NBA player. He's not even worth a 2nd rounder or a SL invitations. Can't shoot, his game off the dribble is easily stopped even by PFs, unathletic, defensive sieve, no midrange. How on earth such a terrible player is the best in a relatively decent league like the ABA is truly puzzling, isn't it?

it's funny how you continue to make assumptions about me (some people work weekends ) in order to transparently frame your argument, which is: "if someone has a different opinion about dario saric than impacien, that means that they definitely have never seen him play"

you should learn to accept that people will have different opinions than you. it doesn't mean they are trying to take a shot at him or at you, but just an opinion they have every right to express.

i only commented on two aspects of saric's game, and you have written a paragraph of what you say my opinion of him is. where did that come from? i think you're just taking out your frustration against everyone who has a different opinion but you have failed to accurately identify my opinion.

i think what makes him valuable is awareness. when he makes cuts off the ball, he is 100% aware of where everyone else on the court is right now and will be in two second. this allows him to make intelligent passes that you don't anticipate. he is a great facilitator and a fierce competitor. unfortunately, his athletic profile doesn't project well for him in the NBA, whereas in the ABA, he can get away with that. His shot is suspect right now for sure, but I don't think that will be an issue for him to correct eventually.

[Apollo64]

Saric didn't look that unathletic when he played against american prospects at the Nike Hoop Summit.
Saric is not an explosive freak with great length, but I think his athleticism is really underrated.

He was running circles around Kyle Anderson in that game (not that it's hard to do). That was an interesting game to watch, among other things i remember that he played some SF in the 2nd half iirc and he didn't look like a good fit for the position.

[dorkestra]

High motor player for sure.

Apollo, I didn't see that game. Was it on the offensive or defensive side (or both) that he looked poorly fit for the SF position?

[Apollo64]

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[Novocaine]

It actually makes a huge difference. I guess you haven't moved around very much. I can explain it if its really necessary. When I get home from work I can watch European basketball because there are games on at a reasonable time. If I want to see an NBA game, I have to stay up through the night which impacts my next day of work. If I live in New York for instance, I would have to be somehow tuning into games while I was still at work. See how it works?

His three point shot is barely average if he's just catching and shooting. If he's taking it off the dribble, his form becomes affected and his release point highly inconsistent. Two point jumpers is almost a trick question as he doesn't take that many mid range jumpers. Looks awkward when he does though and you can see his elbow protruding at various angles influencing his shot. He's very predictable once he starts trying to break someone down, you know he's going to brick a three or more likely drive it to the hoop.

Thing is, if you project him as a power forward, he will be exploited so regularly on defense. His lack of length and strength will have him tossed around like a rag doll. Interior defense is a pretty big deal. He would be better off as a smart defender at SF, making the correct rotations, and disrupting passing lanes with his intuition. He'll get blown by most of these guys if they decide to drive to the hole, but that's what help defense is for. He's going to be a defense liability one way or another, but it typically doesn't hurt as bad when you're out on the wing.

You should take advantage of the fact that ABA games are available online on delay. Also, they're on weekends, not workdays. But I take you watch them live; is that correct?

You're just making stuff up and we both know it. I don't care much if others will believe you or not. When you say stuff like "he's very predictable once he starts trying to break someone down, you know he's going to brick a three or more likely drive it to the hoop" that shows you're just parroting stuff. Saric rarely isolates on the perimeter nowadays.

Anyway, I'll point out again that if you actually believe in the stuff you wrote here, then there's no way Saric is a NBA player. He's not even worth a 2nd rounder or a SL invitations. Can't shoot, his game off the dribble is easily stopped even by PFs, unathletic, defensive sieve, no midrange. How on earth such a terrible player is the best in a relatively decent league like the ABA is truly puzzling, isn't it?

it's funny how you continue to make assumptions about me (some people work weekends ) in order to transparently frame your argument, which is: "if someone has a different opinion about dario saric than impacien, that means that they definitely have never seen him play"

you should learn to accept that people will have different opinions than you. it doesn't mean they are trying to take a shot at him or at you, but just an opinion they have every right to express.

i only commented on two aspects of saric's game, and you have written a paragraph of what you say my opinion of him is. where did that come from? i think you're just taking out your frustration against everyone who has a different opinion but you have failed to accurately identify my opinion.

i think what makes him valuable is awareness. when he makes cuts off the ball, he is 100% aware of where everyone else on the court is right now and will be in two second. this allows him to make intelligent passes that you don't anticipate. he is a great facilitator and a fierce competitor. unfortunately, his athletic profile doesn't project well for him in the NBA, whereas in the ABA, he can get away with that. His shot is suspect right now for sure, but I don't think that will be an issue for him to correct eventually.

I have little patience for strawman: It's not the difference in opinion. It's the straight lying and making up stuff.

People who keep talking about Saric as a SF are those who keep parroting what they read for years. It's as ridiculous as saying Randle is a SF. ManualRam was called out for it months ago (although to his credit he didnt' claim he was watching it) so now he just say stuff like "Saric is too slow to even play PF" out of rage; why you decided to agree with such nonsense it's hard to understand.

And your "opinion" is all over the place. You're just making up stuff as you go. As others have said, the guy you describe isn't even worth a second rounder. And if you work on weekends, it's pretty funny you get to watch his games live... on weekends. Ooops.

Saric didn't look that unathletic when he played against american prospects at the Nike Hoop Summit.
Saric is not an explosive freak with great length, but I think his athleticism is really underrated.

He was running circles around Kyle Anderson in that game (not that it's hard to do). That was an interesting game to watch, among other things i remember that he played some SF in the 2nd half iirc and he didn't look like a good fit for the position.

Saric is easily faster and quicker than Anderson even today - after a season on which he got noticeably bigger and heavier.

Saric lacks explosiveness and lateral quickness, but he isn't some clumsy snail. He's particularly fast changing ends - not a lot of NBA bigs will be able to keep up with him up and down the court.

That's why it made so much sense for him to change his position/game. He evolved from a slow 6'10'' SF to a fairly quick and fast 6'10'' PF.

[dorkestra]

You should take advantage of the fact that ABA games are available online on delay. Also, they're on weekends, not workdays. But I take you watch them live; is that correct?

You're just making stuff up and we both know it. I don't care much if others will believe you or not. When you say stuff like "he's very predictable once he starts trying to break someone down, you know he's going to brick a three or more likely drive it to the hoop" that shows you're just parroting stuff. Saric rarely isolates on the perimeter nowadays.

Anyway, I'll point out again that if you actually believe in the stuff you wrote here, then there's no way Saric is a NBA player. He's not even worth a 2nd rounder or a SL invitations. Can't shoot, his game off the dribble is easily stopped even by PFs, unathletic, defensive sieve, no midrange. How on earth such a terrible player is the best in a relatively decent league like the ABA is truly puzzling, isn't it?

it's funny how you continue to make assumptions about me (some people work weekends ) in order to transparently frame your argument, which is: "if someone has a different opinion about dario saric than impacien, that means that they definitely have never seen him play"

you should learn to accept that people will have different opinions than you. it doesn't mean they are trying to take a shot at him or at you, but just an opinion they have every right to express.

i only commented on two aspects of saric's game, and you have written a paragraph of what you say my opinion of him is. where did that come from? i think you're just taking out your frustration against everyone who has a different opinion but you have failed to accurately identify my opinion.

i think what makes him valuable is awareness. when he makes cuts off the ball, he is 100% aware of where everyone else on the court is right now and will be in two second. this allows him to make intelligent passes that you don't anticipate. he is a great facilitator and a fierce competitor. unfortunately, his athletic profile doesn't project well for him in the NBA, whereas in the ABA, he can get away with that. His shot is suspect right now for sure, but I don't think that will be an issue for him to correct eventually.

I have little patience for strawman: It's not the difference in opinion. It's the straight lying and making up stuff.

People who keep talking about Saric as a SF are those who keep parroting what they read for years. It's as ridiculous as saying Randle is a SF. ManualRam was called out for it months ago (although to his credit he didnt' claim he was watching it) so now he just say stuff like "Saric is too slow to even play PF" out of rage; why you decided to agree with such nonsense it's hard to understand.

And your "opinion" is all over the place. You're just making up stuff as you go. As others have said, the guy you describe isn't even worth a second rounder. And if you work on weekends, it's pretty funny you get to watch his games live... on weekends. Ooops.

My opinion isn't all over the place at all. In fact, it's been entirely consistent since I started this thread. And yes, the games are on when I get home from work on Saturdays.... ooops? Looks like you've failed again to frame me into the strawman you've been looking for. Which is ironic that you tried using strawman argument as a defense for yourself

Once again, you've shown the inability to accept others' opinion. It's all made up, because no one has ever seen him, but you!

[Novocaine]

I'm pretty sure people can figure out how much you actually watched him by your reactions once someone posted some highlights of him and by you still calling him a SF.

Anyway, if you're right about Saric, he isn't even a late 2nd rounder. A terrible defender at any position who's too slow (and too short!) for a PF, has a terrible shot, is predictable as a ball handler, has bad midrange mechanics? This is the kind of guy who isn't worth a PIT invitation. Guys with Saric's size who are too slow for PFs aren't NBA players.

[dorkestra]

What position someone plays in NCAA, ABA, or any other league doesn't mean that translates to the NBA. He plays pf now, but I think length will be an issue for him there in the NBA if he is going to be an impact player because I don't see enough in the rest of his game to make up for it. I am not promising that he will suck, but I am noting that it will be an uphill battle for him to carve out a role as a power forward where he doesn't hurt a team defensively to the extent that a guy like David Lee does.

[Novocaine]

Here's what other people in this thread have said:

I get to watch him on Adriatic League games sometimes. He has tremendous defensive awareness, basically understanding what the opposing team tries to do and disrupting it. Very quick feet which makes him a great helper.

for defense he play good..a lot of the musculo progressed.. he play good defense in paint and also can switch to pick guard because it is quick for PF..

he is tough and has good body to play as pf in nba. his body especially his toughnes is underreated. he has good body for his age, and more important he is tough. in nba he will have more problems on ofense then on defese. his will and his toughnes will make him atleast average defender

None of those posters is me. None is particularly optimistic about Saric either, they gave balanced opinions and showed doubts about his NBA potential.

But there are differences of opinion and then there's equating one of the most intense defensive players in the draft with David Lee.

Again, I'll explain this as many times as necessary: Saric was considered a defensive liability when he was projected as a SF because he was so slow laterally for the position - I agreed with that, hence why I've been saying for a couple of seasons he should transition to PF. Some people, like you, just kept repeating what they heard one year ago (slow, point forward, passer), being completely oblivious to the fact Saric was making that transition and becoming a very different player. For a PF, he's a bit undersized, but he's very above average quickness and he's a very tough, intense and aware defender.


And "impact player"? I still don't understand why you see Saric as even worth of a SL invite. He's too short to play PF, too slow for PF, and can't shoot. He's like, what, Novak with Hansbrough shooting? That's not even a D-League player, let alone a NBA one.

[Notanoob]

I know that he's got short arms, but how is a guy 6'10" too short to play PF? I can understand if you think he has a poor frame and will struggle to add the weight he needs to bang around with more physical bigs, but he's got the height to play PF.

Could someone just post some recent, quality highlights of the guy playing? So we know he isn't a good shooter, he is an good passer, and he is not a great athlete. Could we see how his face up game is? Is he a good rebounder? Is he a smart team defender?

Also, seriously people, could you stop attacking each other here? It's dumb everyone comes off as being immature. Just post some videos of him playing and be done with it.

[dorkestra]

I think players with his mind and intuition are rare, especially at his position. If he can develop a better jumper, he can be a really tough matchup for opposing defenders.

I will agree with your point above in the sense that Saric being a defensive sieve is certainly not consensus. Like I said before, I acknowledge and respect other opinions, because it's all speculation and educated guessing at this stage. It is just that you are so convinced that if anyone has an opinion that correlates with one from draft express is 100% parroting someone's opinion. Let me flip this on you to show you what I mean. You quoted other posts in this thread that generally aligned with your opinion. So is it fair for me to then say you have never seen him play and are just parroting them?