'14 Draft Thread - Parker Declares. List your top 4

breakchains · Post #261 » by **breakchains** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:20 am

Randle over Embiid - no words.

SupremeHustle · Post #262 » by **SupremeHustle** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:21 am

ChuckBros4Life wrote:
skones wrote:
ChuckBros4Life wrote:
Pretty sure that's Wiggins in the background for comparison. Not that being ripped is going to make him a great player but it should certainly help. Not bad for an 18 year old guy

That's pretty racist.

It's Vonleh. Wiggins played on the international squad with Exum.

Woah woah woah. I'm racist for thinking a face that actually does resemble Wiggins' and a similar arm motion on his sprint is Wiggins? The fact that he played for the international team slipped my mind.

Too late, dude. You're on the list.

TroyD92 · Post #263 » by **TroyD92** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:25 am

If we pick Randle even at 4 all of my enthusiasm about the sale/culture change will be destroyed.

cinematographer · Post #264 » by **cinematographer** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:26 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:Power forward is not an obsolete position, especially on any team without LeBron James.

Sorry. "Forwards with no range, vision or defense."

Big Dog Yank · Post #265 » by **Big Dog Yank** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:27 am

1. Parker
2. Wiggins
3. Embiid
4. Smart

I just don't like what I see in Exum. Too ball dominant, not really a PG and unproven. Smart, while having his definite shortcomings, has the body and mindset to play in the league right now. Plus, I think having Smart would help make Knight our 6th Man, a role where I think he would flourish.

AussieBuck · Post #266 » by **AussieBuck** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:29 am

The too ball dominant stuff about Exum is insane.

Baddy Chuck · Post #267 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:33 am

Big Dog Yank wrote:Plus, I think having Smart would help make Knight our 6th Man, a role where I think he would flourish.

Wolters, Smart and Giannis might be the worst shooting backcourt in the history of the NBA.

randy84 · Post #268 » by **randy84** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:03 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Big Dog Yank wrote:Plus, I think having Smart would help make Knight our 6th Man, a role where I think he would flourish.

Wolters, Smart and Giannis might be the worst shooting backcourt in the history of the NBA.

Ellis, Jennings, and Daniels might give them run for their money.

Ill-yasova · Post #269 » by **Ill-yasova** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:14 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:I think Randle is David Lee.

Randle = Milsap to me.

AussieBuck · Post #270 » by **AussieBuck** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:15 am

Ill-yasova wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:I think Randle is David Lee.

Randle = Milsap to me.

As in where you think he can get to after years of work?

sidney lanier · Post #271 » by **sidney lanier** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:19 am

VooDoo7 wrote:
sidney lanier wrote:3. Smart—will come into the league with a physical edge over most opposing PGs

So will Patric Young. What's that? He's not a PG? Yeah, neither is Smart.

Those voters who made him a finalist for the Cousy Award must have been laboring under a misapprehension.

Baddy Chuck · Post #272 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:31 am

sidney lanier wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:
sidney lanier wrote:3. Smart—will come into the league with a physical edge over most opposing PGs

So will Patric Young. What's that? He's not a PG? Yeah, neither is Smart.

Those voters who made him a finalist for the Cousy Award must have been laboring under a misapprehension.

Do you have Kyle Anderson as a point guard in the NBA as well? Hell, he got farther in the voting then Smart did.

Ill-yasova · Post #273 » by **Ill-yasova** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:33 am

mattg wrote:You basically just agreed with me haha. His base=his legs. They are skinny and weak right now which leads to him being easily pushed around. His core obviously needs work like we both said. I just think to do those things he'll end up adding 20 pounds.

I wouldn't compare him to Robinson or Hakeem athletically, he's got a very different body type. DRob was so naturally strong from the navy work he's not even comparable to embiid in that regard. Robinson was walking on his hands across the court while embiid has the stereotypical African big man frame and body. Very fluid, but not strong. Hakeem wasn't as tall as embiid and had much better legs. Obviously he was older though. That will be a big thing for Joel to improve upon. Right now he's falling all over the place when he posts up because his base is weak, guys push back and he loses balance, same if they pull the chair out from under him.

I'd also be surprised if he weighed at 250, he doesn't look it and is definitely thin. I think he'll add weight over time but functional strength will be very important.

Personally, I don't want us to draft embiid even if his back checks out. Even the best doctors are wrong about back injuries routinely and I don't view embiid as a superior prospect even if 100% healthy.

Yeah, where are people getting all these Hakeem comparisons from?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Irvvb7Y4-w[/youtube]

I could throw out a dozen other highlights exactly like this too that show incredibly advanced post footwork. If you can't see the comparisons you probably haven't watched him play.

While I do agree that he isn't physically aggressive enough on offense sometimes strength is not an issue at all. He has the same frame as Hakeem, all you have to do is Google a few pictures.

Baddy Chuck · Post #274 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:36 am

Ill-yasova wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Irvvb7Y4-w[/youtube]

That video was always hilarious to me for two reasons. One for the "dream shake" and the other being Todd MacCulloch sneaking back into the NCAA 15 years later and 50lbs heavier.

Ill-yasova · Post #275 » by **Ill-yasova** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:38 am

sidney lanier wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:
sidney lanier wrote:3. Smart—will come into the league with a physical edge over most opposing PGs

So will Patric Young. What's that? He's not a PG? Yeah, neither is Smart.

Those voters who made him a finalist for the Cousy Award must have been laboring under a misapprehension.

That argument is the equivalent of saying "But the Bucks made the playoffs last year..."

Madison - Wisconsin senior Jordan Taylor on Thursday was named among the 11 finalists for the Bob Cousy Award, given annually to the top point guard in the nation.

Taylor, a finalist for the award last season, is averaging 14.1 points, 4.3 assists and 4.2 rebounds per game for UW.

See.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/138594984.html#ixzz2zIAHOaR0

TroyD92 · Post #276 » by **TroyD92** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:39 am

Ill-yasova wrote:
mattg wrote:You basically just agreed with me haha. His base=his legs. They are skinny and weak right now which leads to him being easily pushed around. His core obviously needs work like we both said. I just think to do those things he'll end up adding 20 pounds.

I wouldn't compare him to Robinson or Hakeem athletically, he's got a very different body type. DRob was so naturally strong from the navy work he's not even comparable to embiid in that regard. Robinson was walking on his hands across the court while embiid has the stereotypical African big man frame and body. Very fluid, but not strong. Hakeem wasn't as tall as embiid and had much better legs. Obviously he was older though. That will be a big thing for Joel to improve upon. Right now he's falling all over the place when he posts up because his base is weak, guys push back and he loses balance, same if they pull the chair out from under him.

I'd also be surprised if he weighed at 250, he doesn't look it and is definitely thin. I think he'll add weight over time but functional strength will be very important.

Personally, I don't want us to draft embiid even if his back checks out. Even the best doctors are wrong about back injuries routinely and I don't view embiid as a superior prospect even if 100% healthy.

Yeah, where are people getting all these Hakeem comparisons from?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Irvvb7Y4-w[/youtube]

I could throw out a dozen other highlights exactly like this too that show incredibly advanced post footwork. If you can't see the comparisons you probably haven't watched him play.

While I do agree that he isn't physically aggressive enough on offense sometimes strength is not an issue at all. He has the same frame as Hakeem, all you have to do is Google a few pictures.

That's a good move, but that's not Hakeem's dream shake. Let's be honest here.

Ill-yasova · Post #277 » by **Ill-yasova** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:40 am

AussieBuck wrote:
Ill-yasova wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:I think Randle is David Lee.

Randle = Milsap to me.

As in where you think he can get to after years of work?

With a decent jumper, yes. They are both a little short for the position, but they throw themselves around and get a lot of points in the paint.

sidney lanier · Post #278 » by **sidney lanier** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:44 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
sidney lanier wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:So will Patric Young. What's that? He's not a PG? Yeah, neither is Smart.

Those voters who made him a finalist for the Cousy Award must have been laboring under a misapprehension.

Do you have Kyle Anderson as a point guard in the NBA as well? Hell, he got farther in the voting then Smart did.

Probably not. Could be a Paul Pressey point forward, though, but we'll see. Smart, however, is a pure Jason Kidd-type PG if he's in the NBA at all.

TroyD92 · Post #279 » by **TroyD92** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:46 am

Randle's defense and effort on that side of the court is truly abysmal. I don't know why anybody would want a player like him. Smart has some really good redeeming quality's, but Randle...yuck.

AussieBuck · Post #280 » by **AussieBuck** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:46 am

Ill-yasova wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
Ill-yasova wrote:Randle = Milsap to me.

As in where you think he can get to after years of work?

With a decent jumper, yes. They are both a little short for the position, but they throw themselves around and get a lot of points in the paint.

Millsap has an advanced perimeter game and is an excellent defender too. Other than body type as college players I don't see the comparison at all.

Edit: That's a bit far I guess. Millsap isn't a bad comparison if he improves a ton. He's just looked too lost defensively for me to project him being that good.

Who's your pick?