2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets (6)

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Series Outcome

Poll ended at Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:01 am

Raps in 4
410
50%
Raps in 5
39
5%
Raps in 6
95
12%
Raps in 7
52
6%
Nets in 4
22
3%
Nets in 5
42
5%
Nets in 6
143
17%
Nets in 7
22
3%
 
Total votes: 825

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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets  

Post#1821 » by tsherkin » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:07 am

The reffing was bad, there's not getting around that, but it was just bad, not so much biased. It felt like it while we were losing, but a +2 free throw disparity is nothing to write home about and our big-time guys got calls. Demar had 8 FTAs before he even hit a FG and Lowry had 6 FTAs by half-time, or thereabouts. 27-25 FTAs in favor of the Nets, that's not big. There were some poorly-timed non-calls, and the Nets were doing an interesting job of flopping (and when I say 'Nets,' I mostly mean 'Deron'). And of course KG doesn't really set legal screens and bitches about everything ever, but that's not news nor is it related to the Nets. We got away with a few things too, in any case. It was just hot-tempered because it's the playoffs.

The Raptors lost because the doubles on Demar made him suck and because we couldn't exploit them offensively in the third when they fell apart. We also had trouble defending the high screen and roll and Joe Johnson was eating us alive, then Pierce put us away.

We had this thing tied with 6.5 to go in the game and were down only 1 with less than 4 to go; anyone saying this wasn't close wasn't watching.

Game 2 will be very interesting.
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1822 » by Prokorov » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:10 am

BK nets BK wrote:I see everyone praising pierce for the clutch shots but my player of the game has to be Joe. He's the one who kept us in the lead throughout the whole game. With all the **** he takes about disappearing in the playoffs, he proved people wrong today

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I agree. Anytime the raptors got closer or the couple times they took the lead Joe came back with huge buckets to give the nets the edge again. Also props to livingston, of his 10 points 6 came in similar situations with huge buckets to stop raptor runs.

I said on the nets board the nets would be better off running through johnson then dwill and when they did it paid off. when plumlee is on the bench the nets settle for too many Jumoers... JJ in the post helps that alot
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1823 » by Prokorov » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:13 am

tsherkin wrote:The reffing was bad, there's not getting around that, but it was just bad, not so much biased. It felt like it while we were losing, but a +2 free throw disparity is nothing to write home about and our big-time guys got calls. Demar had 8 FTAs before he even hit a FG and Lowry had 6 FTAs by half-time, or thereabouts. 27-25 FTAs in favor of the Nets, that's not big. There were some poorly-timed non-calls, and the Nets were doing an interesting job of flopping (and when I say 'Nets,' I mostly mean 'Deron'). And of course KG doesn't really set legal screens and bitches about everything ever, but that's not news nor is it related to the Nets. We got away with a few things too, in any case. It was just hot-tempered because it's the playoffs.

The Raptors lost because the doubles on Demar made him suck and because we couldn't exploit them offensively in the third when they fell apart. We also had trouble defending the high screen and roll and Joe Johnson was eating us alive, then Pierce put us away.

We had this thing tied with 6.5 to go in the game and were down only 1 with less than 4 to go; anyone saying this wasn't close wasn't watching.

Game 2 will be very interesting.



27-25 FT isnt telling the entire story. it would have been well in the raptors favor when you factor in the raps fouling at the end putting the nets on the line 3-4 times intentionally.

you also omitted 1 pretty weak techincal, and one straight up awful technical. and lowry did some flopping of his own.

id be embarassed if i was a rap fan for anyone even mentioning the officiating in passing.
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1824 » by tsherkin » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:18 am

Prokorov wrote:27-25 FT isnt telling the entire story. it would have been well in the raptors favor when you factor in the raps fouling at the end putting the nets on the line 3-4 times intentionally.


Not really. I see what you mean, but the number of non-calls was pretty straightforward on both sides. We earned our FTAs. They mostly came from Jonas, Lowry and Vasquez... and when you watch the plays they happened on, they made sense.

The Nets didn't get a foul called on them the entire 4th apart from an offensive foul, so I'd be hesitant to complain about it from their side. I'd be likewise hesitant to say either team really had an advantage. They took a ton of jumpers, and those aren't typically foul-drawing plays.

id be embarassed if i was a rap fan for anyone even mentioning the officiating in passing.


Like I said, there were some things on both sides for the teams to complain about. The major factor was what Brooklyn's defense did to Demar and our own shortcomings on offense when it counted, and it was still close. Neither team played an especially crisp game from an execution standpoint and I expect things to look very different in the second go-around.
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets  

Post#1825 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:24 am

92 pages

Wow

I shouldn't see anyone blaming the refs (although zero fouls on the Nets in the 4th is kinda bs), Demar played horrible
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets  

Post#1826 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:25 am

Raps just going for the gentlemen sweep

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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1827 » by hands11 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:28 am

Nils_the_Clean wrote:
Neutral 123 wrote:Nets have 3 guys who can regularly create their own shot. Raps have arguably two. Young legs, more energy can get you through the regular season, but do the Raps have another level now that it's playoff time?


Valid points, but I still say we take game two. Should be a good one.



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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1828 » by Prokorov » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:30 am

tsherkin wrote:Not really. I see what you mean, but the number of non-calls was pretty straightforward on both sides. We earned our FTAs. They mostly came from Jonas, Lowry and Vasquez... and when you watch the plays they happened on, they made sense.





Like I said, there were some things on both sides for the teams to complain about. The major factor was what Brooklyn's defense did to Demar and our own shortcomings on offense when it counted, and it was still close. Neither team played an especially crisp game from an execution standpoint and I expect things to look very different in the second go-around.


there was nothing to complain about outside of the technicals. this was your typical NBA game... for the most part balanced with a couple head scratchers here and there. the officiaiting should even be mentioned unless you are brining up the awful Techincal on blatche.

it just annoys me cause raptors fans had the refree excuse queued up for a week, all over twitter and with .gifs and memes about it.

as far as execution, i though the nets execution was outstanding on both ends... their 3s just didnt fall, which isnt uncommon especially for role players(mirza, thornton, anderson) on the road
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1829 » by hands11 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:32 am

NIL8R wrote:Wake up ppl...I am a huge Raps fan and I will scream and cheer louder than everyone; one but we are out matched! The Raptors will fall in 6...mark my words!


Good to see some TOR fans that are objective about it.

Hey. They did really well this year. Nothing to hang their heads over. They just got a bad match up.

Had it been CHA or the WIZ it would have been more of a fair fight.
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1830 » by Inevitable » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:35 am

hands11 wrote:
NIL8R wrote:Wake up ppl...I am a huge Raps fan and I will scream and cheer louder than everyone; one but we are out matched! The Raptors will fall in 6...mark my words!


Good to see some TOR fans that are objective about it.

Hey. They did really well this year. Nothing to hang their heads over. They just got a bad match up.

Had it been CHA or the WIZ it would have been more of a fair fight.


There are a few games left buddy. We lost by single digits, we've beaten this team before and we can again.

If this was Miami I would agree, we match up terrible with them and haven't beaten them in the LeBron James era.
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1831 » by tsherkin » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:42 am

Prokorov wrote:there was nothing to complain about outside of the technicals. this was your typical NBA game... for the most part balanced with a couple head scratchers here and there.


There were a few things to complain about, but I'd call them more on failure on behalf of the refs, certainly not bias.


as far as execution, i though the nets execution was outstanding on both ends... their 3s just didnt fall, which isnt uncommon especially for role players(mirza, thornton, anderson) on the road


Nah, they had some issues with some of their passes, excessive dribbling and their bench was pretty awful. That's not an indictment, of course, there's pretty much always a drop-off when that happens. but there were more scattered sets than one might have expected if one were to be able to use the "outstanding" descriptor.

They were great when they could get ball-screen action; besides that, meh. And yes, a lot of them not finishing changes the tone of some sets that worked out pretty well, but this was a sloppy game. Sloppier on Toronto's behalf, of course; much more so.
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1832 » by NormanTwain » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:42 am

Inevitable wrote:There are a few games left buddy. We lost by single digits, we've beaten this team before and we can again.


Not when they were healthy, you haven't, and wins in the regular season don't equal wins in the playoffs. At this point, it's obvious (and I'm not a fan of either team), that the Raptors would be lucky to win a single game, and the likely scenario is a sweep.
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1833 » by hands11 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:45 am

Inevitable wrote:
hands11 wrote:
NIL8R wrote:Wake up ppl...I am a huge Raps fan and I will scream and cheer louder than everyone; one but we are out matched! The Raptors will fall in 6...mark my words!


Good to see some TOR fans that are objective about it.

Hey. They did really well this year. Nothing to hang their heads over. They just got a bad match up.

Had it been CHA or the WIZ it would have been more of a fair fight.


There are a few games left buddy. We lost by single digits, we've beaten this team before and we can again.

If this was Miami I would agree, we match up terrible with them and haven't beaten them in the LeBron James era.


Did you predict a win today? I didn't.

Like I said. Its a one game series now. You think BRK doesn't realize that. You thought this game was tough to win. Just wait until next game.
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1834 » by Nils_the_Clean » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:47 am

hands11 wrote:
NIL8R wrote:Wake up ppl...I am a huge Raps fan and I will scream and cheer louder than everyone; one but we are out matched! The Raptors will fall in 6...mark my words!


Good to see some TOR fans that are objective about it.

Hey. They did really well this year. Nothing to hang their heads over. They just got a bad match up.

Had it been CHA or the WIZ it would have been more of a fair fight.



Wow. You're all over the Raptors and their fan base aren't you. In what way are you invested in this series? Are you a BKN fan? If so, I get it. If not, your behaviour is bordering on trolling.
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1835 » by Prokorov » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:52 am

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There were a few things to complain about, but I'd call them more on failure on behalf of the refs, certainly not bias.


nothing to complain about unless you are looking to make excuses, which alot of raps fans were queueing up before the game even started. outside of the blatche technical everything was normal


Nah, they had some issues with some of their passes, excessive dribbling and their bench was pretty awful. That's not an indictment, of course, there's pretty much always a drop-off when that happens. but there were more scattered sets than one might have expected if one were to be able to use the "outstanding" descriptor.

They were great when they could get ball-screen action; besides that, meh. And yes, a lot of them not finishing changes the tone of some sets that worked out pretty well, but this was a sloppy game. Sloppier on Toronto's behalf, of course; much more so.



it wasnt flawless, but it certainly was outstlanding, at least for nets standards. that was one of if not the best execution ive seen from this team on the road all year on both ends. the bench played ok, they missed open shots -- thats going to happen on the road from road players in the playoffs, just the way it is.
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1836 » by hands11 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:52 am

Nils_the_Clean wrote:
hands11 wrote:
NIL8R wrote:Wake up ppl...I am a huge Raps fan and I will scream and cheer louder than everyone; one but we are out matched! The Raptors will fall in 6...mark my words!


Good to see some TOR fans that are objective about it.

Hey. They did really well this year. Nothing to hang their heads over. They just got a bad match up.

Had it been CHA or the WIZ it would have been more of a fair fight.



Wow. You're all over the Raptors and their fan base aren't you. In what way are you invested in this series? Are you a BKN fan? If so, I get it. If not, your behaviour is bordering on trolling.


I actually thought that was a compliment. At least it was intended as one. And I also complimented the team on a good year. I have also give the TOR fans prop so filling up outside the stadium.

Borderline Trolling ? :nonono:

I think you are being overly sensitive because I wrote nothing trolling. I just gave my objective opinion. I get being a fan but TOR fans acting like they had the advantage was something I never understood.

And no, I am not a BRK fan. I do respect PP a ton though. Dude is a HOF first ballet player. KG has been a bit of a ass but he is also a first ballet player HOF player. And Joe Johnson is very solid. Not really a fan of D Williams but he showed up well today.

Vasquez is as scrappy as the come. I actually like DeRozan. Amir Johnson is amazing for his size.

No a very classy move resorting to calling people trolls when because they aren't drinking the TOR Koolaid.
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1837 » by Roland Brice » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:53 am

NormanTwain wrote:
Inevitable wrote:There are a few games left buddy. We lost by single digits, we've beaten this team before and we can again.


Not when they were healthy, you haven't, and wins in the regular season don't equal wins in the playoffs. At this point, it's obvious (and I'm not a fan of either team), that the Raptors would be lucky to win a single game, and the likely scenario is a sweep.


LOOOOOOOOOL the ignorance is strong here. It's thoroughly entertaining how Nets fans really believe in their hearts of hearts that this series is over after game 1. I thought Raps fans were overreacting, but wow!
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets  

Post#1838 » by canballer » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:01 am

To be fair, he NormanTwain did say he is not a fan of either team. With that being said I would say to him that this particular game is far from enough to make an educated guess on the outcome of the series. I think a sweep is highly unlikely, with as much bias removed as possible. It will likely be a 6 or 7 game series regardless of who comes out on top.
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets 

Post#1839 » by hands11 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:02 am

Roland Brice wrote:
NormanTwain wrote:
Inevitable wrote:There are a few games left buddy. We lost by single digits, we've beaten this team before and we can again.


Not when they were healthy, you haven't, and wins in the regular season don't equal wins in the playoffs. At this point, it's obvious (and I'm not a fan of either team), that the Raptors would be lucky to win a single game, and the likely scenario is a sweep.


LOOOOOOOOOL the ignorance is strong here. It's thoroughly entertaining how Nets fans really believe in their hearts of hearts that this series is over after game 1. I thought Raps fans were overreacting, but wow!


What he wrote isn't ignorance. How about sticking to predictions instead of name calling.

So we have one TOR fan calling me a troll and another calling this poster ignorant.
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Re: 2014 NBA Playoffs: Toronto Raptors (3) vs Brooklyn Nets  

Post#1840 » by TANKNATION » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:05 am

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