Playoffs? Ya Kiddin me? Wizards vs. Bulls Game 1 Thread

[Sonny Carson]

Easy matchup or not.

4-14 shooting nights isnt going to cut it. Kirk Hinrich playing just as well....isnt going to cut it. Tough matchup or not.

Its like Shaq said about Dwight Howard last night....Its Robin Lopez....dominate him. Its DJ Augustine, John, dominate him.

We saw him have a couple games where he gave the Bulls work. Why shouldnt we EXPECT that...and maybe more in the playoffs? The best players usually kick it up a notch, unless I'm mistaken. I'm not saying he cant....I'm saying thats what he needs to do. Games like last night wont be beat the Bulls, Pacers, Hawks more times than not.

Let's see if he steps it up game over game... if he doesn't sigh - but my guess is he will figure out a better path.

Again, I'm not saying he cant. I'm just saying he CANT get a pass if he just doesnt step up. This is not DROSE he's going against. He had great success against them in the regular season. Wall has set a standard for himself. Youth is not an excuse when there have been plenty of young players who stepped it up in the playoffs in the past and in the present. I mean.....a ROOKIE DROSE...gave defending champ Boston Celtics work back in the day. Its time to carry that over in the post season and then some. Lets see how he does next game.

[Dat2U]

Easy matchup or not.

4-14 shooting nights isnt going to cut it. Kirk Hinrich playing just as well....isnt going to cut it. Tough matchup or not.

Its like Shaq said about Dwight Howard last night....Its Robin Lopez....dominate him. Its DJ Augustine, John, dominate him.

We saw him have a couple games where he gave the Bulls work. Why shouldnt we EXPECT that...and maybe more in the playoffs? The best players usually kick it up a notch, unless I'm mistaken. I'm not saying he cant....I'm saying thats what he needs to do. Games like last night wont be beat the Bulls, Pacers, Hawks more times than not.

Let's see if he steps it up game over game... if he doesn't sigh - but my guess is he will figure out a better path.

Again, I'm not saying he cant. I'm just saying he CANT get a pass if he just doesnt step up. This is not DROSE he's going against. He had great success against them in the regular season. Wall has set a standard for himself. Youth is not an excuse when there have been plenty of young players who stepped it up in the playoffs in the past and in the present. I mean.....a ROOKIE DROSE...gave defending champ Boston Celtics work back in the day. Its time to carry that over in the post season and then some. Lets see how he does next game.

What does DRose have to do with anything?

Your posts don't make any sense.

You crush Wall for not playing well... Who cares? The Wizards won. Isn't that what's important here? Oh, not to you because your a fan-boy that has no interest in what the team does, you just care about individual stats. Well your probably on the wrong board for that. This is the Wizards board, not the John Wall board. You can take your jock strap juggling self elsewhere if your only concern is how John Wall compares to a young Derrick Rose.

[nuposse04]

Sonny Carson just gets a massive erection whenever Wall struggles. Must have made for an interesting 2.5 hours for him yesterday.

[Sonny Carson]

Sonny Carson just gets a massive erection whenever Wall struggles. Must have made for an interesting 2.5 hours for him yesterday.

If thats your best reply....there is no need for me to have a serious discussion with you. good day.

[dckingsfan]

Maybe there is history here that I don't know about but...

I see part of Sonny's point - we NEED Wall to go off and consistently play better than the Bulls guards. And the comparison about Teague is valid, Indy is also a good defensive team.

[nuposse04]

Sonny Carson just gets a massive erection whenever Wall struggles. Must have made for an interesting 2.5 hours for him yesterday.

If thats your best reply....there is no need for me to have a serious discussion with you. good day.

And you consistantly trash Wall without context, you're a hater, plain and simple. Wall goes against the best D in basketball right now, that is specifically gearing their gameplan to shut down Wall and you get on Wall's case he has a mediocre game...well duh, his first game and against the best D in the east. Actually make a competent argument one of these days and people will take you seriously. You're a kyrie homer, through and through.

[Sonny Carson]

Let's see if he steps it up game over game... if he doesn't sigh - but my guess is he will figure out a better path.

Again, I'm not saying he cant. I'm just saying he CANT get a pass if he just doesnt step up. This is not DROSE he's going against. He had great success against them in the regular season. Wall has set a standard for himself. Youth is not an excuse when there have been plenty of young players who stepped it up in the playoffs in the past and in the present. I mean.....a ROOKIE DROSE...gave defending champ Boston Celtics work back in the day. Its time to carry that over in the post season and then some. Lets see how he does next game.

What does DRose have to do with anything?

Your posts don't make any sense.

You crush Wall for not playing well... Who cares? The Wizards won. Isn't that what's important here? Oh, not to you because your a fan-boy that has no interest in what the team does, you just care about individual stats. Well your probably on the wrong board for that. This is the Wizards board, not the John Wall board. You can take your jock strap juggling self elsewhere if your only concern is how John Wall compares to a young Derrick Rose.

I only mention Wall....because he's the best player on the team. Thus....I expect them to go as he goes. Take the emotion out of it and reread my posts. Nothing is damning or dissing Wall. I was tough on Beal in this game thread as well. I dont think Booker is a good matchup for the Bulls. Again, it wasnt meant as a diss...its more of an encouragement. His peers are out there doing work (regardless of the comp). The competitor in Wall should be to show he is truly one of the best players in the NBA. Thats all. Hopefully he does so because he can. Hey, I've destoyed Whit before as well...nothing to say after yesterday

[nuposse04]

Maybe there is history here that I don't know about but...

I see part of Sonny's point - we NEED Wall to go off and consistently play better than the Bulls guards. And the comparison about Teague is valid, Indy is also a good defensive team.

I have no problem Wall averaging 14-8 this series so long as we win. Yah I want Wall to do better, but the team comes first. If we have matchups to exploit, we should, this isn't a time where we develop wall's game even further. Why would we ask Wall to force the issue against a defensive Juggernaut? The game will come to him, and the Bulls O is so bad we don't need him to try to go off.

[Higga]

Good game, good win. Honestly I never got the vibe we would lose, even when down 13. We are the better team, more talent across the board, and once it came down to our best 5 vs. their best 5 late in the game we dominated.

I have to give Wittman credit. I thought he coached a pretty good game. Keeping Miller in late over Wall was ballsy but it was the right decision, ride the hot hand at the time.

If we can keep getting this kind of production out of our bigs, and if Wall and Beal can get their shot going, we will win the series.

I don't think Wall played poorly. His shot didn't fall, but he managed the game well, and contributed in other ways(6 dimes, 6 boards, 2 steals, and a block).

[Wizardspride]

Good game, good win. Honestly I never got the vibe we would lose, even when down 13. We are the better team, more talent across the board, and once it came down to our best 5 vs. their best 5 late in the game we dominated.

I have to give Wittman credit. I thought he coached a pretty good game. Keeping Miller in late over Wall was ballsy but it was the right decision, ride the hot hand at the time.

If we can keep getting this kind of production out of our bigs, and if Wall and Beal can get their shot going, we will win the series.

I don't think Wall played poorly. His shot didn't fall, but he managed the game well, and contributed in other ways(6 dimes, 6 boards, 2 steals, and a block).

This.

[TGW]

Sonny Carson just gets a massive erection whenever Wall struggles. Must have made for an interesting 2.5 hours for him yesterday.

If thats your best reply....there is no need for me to have a serious discussion with you. good day.

Serious discussion about what exactly? You're not saying anything worth discussing.

[TGW]

You can't compare Wall's performance to Liliard/Teague. Lilliard is playing one of the worst defensive teams in the league in Houston and Teague did it against a faltering team. The Bulls are a much, much better defensive team than either of those other teams.

"Games like last night wont be beat the Bulls"...ummm que? We just beat the Bulls with that very performance, so your statement makes zero sense.

My statement makes perfect sense. If someone said Wall would have 14 pts, 6 assists with under a minute to go in the game....would you have thought they'd been up easily in the playoffs? Absolutely not. Not against Thibs, not against these Bulls. Adjustments will be made for Gortat/Nene. So it will be upon Wall to play much better.

No matter how you cut it up. Kirk Hinrich went step for step with Wall. That CANT happen to win a SERIES against the Bulls. Sure one game it worked. But should we not expect much more from here on out? Andre Miller SAVED the Wizards last night. Jeff Teague went up against a Pacers team and gave them work. No matter the Pacers struggles offensively...their still a good defensive team as well.

The next game will be very telling. Was it a subpar game...or is he one of those guys who doesnt play as well...or take it up a notch in the playoffs.

Sure it can happen. We won the game in their house with Wall playing like he did. Would it have been better if Wall had 20 points and 10 assists in a losing effort?

Put down your boxscores for a minute and stop dwelling on individual stats. You sound like a fanboy.

[nuposse04]

Sonny Carson just gets a massive erection whenever Wall struggles. Must have made for an interesting 2.5 hours for him yesterday.

If thats your best reply....there is no need for me to have a serious discussion with you. good day.

Serious discussion about what exactly? You're not saying anything worth discussing.

He wants Wall to fail so he can vindicate his assertion that Kyrie is the better PG. The whole teague comparison is stupid because Teague is one, nearly 26, and this is his 5th season in the playoffs. Albeit his role is expanded this season and kudos to him doing well but you expect a guy to do well in the situation he's in (although not THAT well, thus the kudos).

But yah he sets up absurd expectations for Wall just so he can explode in joy when he's mediocre.

[dckingsfan]

Maybe there is history here that I don't know about but...

I see part of Sonny's point - we NEED Wall to go off and consistently play better than the Bulls guards. And the comparison about Teague is valid, Indy is also a good defensive team.

I have no problem Wall averaging 14-8 this series so long as we win. Yah I want Wall to do better, but the team comes first. If we have matchups to exploit, we should, this isn't a time where we develop wall's game even further. Why would we ask Wall to force the issue against a defensive Juggernaut? The game will come to him, and the Bulls O is so bad we don't need him to try to go off.

Good point... we just need to win. But I didn't think he was that sharp getting us into our offense, breaking down the defense, getting us into transition or defending. I thought his overall play wasn't "terrific".

But your point - that he doesn't need to force the issue on offense stands. And is probably the bigger point.

[dckingsfan]

OK, well I am definitely not on the Irving > Wall bandwagon. If Wall is on Cleveland they are in the playoffs.

[Sonny Carson]

FTR..

I'm at fault for being too aggressive on YOUR BOARD after you had your first playoff win in years. So that was my mistake. I'm doing way too much projection on this board....especially after one game. Lets hope they can steal another game in Chicago. Wizards are just a bad matchup for them.

I kinda hoped Otto would get some mins...but Idk...they might just be too physical for him at the moment. So Randy made the right decision to not throw him in last night. Impressed with Beal's play making last night...despite not shooting well.

[dobrojim]

Booker obviously was incapable of accomplishing anything down low. Just a bad matchup for him, and a good matchup for Nene. If he's healthy for game two, should expect the same result.

If anything worries me it was that the entire bench looked overmatched (minus the Prof.). Booker grabbed rebounds but wasn't much of a force otherwise - the one play that he guarded Noah was a disaster.

I guess having one good bench player performance is enough...

But is the rest of our bench going to be this mediocre going forward?
Taj is good. We have to keep DJ cold. But their bench is not that intimidating.

BTW - I think Webster is getting a bad rap here for his D. It didn't stand out to me as
being particularly bad.

[Sonny Carson]

If thats your best reply....there is no need for me to have a serious discussion with you. good day.

Serious discussion about what exactly? You're not saying anything worth discussing.

He wants Wall to fail so he can vindicate his assertion that Kyrie is the better PG. The whole teague comparison is stupid because Teague is one, nearly 26, and this is his 5th season in the playoffs. Albeit his role is expanded this season and kudos to him doing well but you expect a guy to do well in the situation he's in (although not THAT well, thus the kudos).

But yah he sets up absurd expectations for Wall just so he can explode in joy when he's mediocre.

If you REALLY believe that....then you truly are off my friend.

Again, I'll quiet down on bringing up the issue of Wall needing to play great. But it was just his first playoff game. And no need for me to point out a negative after such a great win. Cause again..it was just one game. No need for that. Especially for the "truther" in you.

[queridiculo]

FYI heads up, Playoff Playback is showing the Wizards game on NBA network at noon.

[nuposse04]

If you REALLY believe that....then you truly are off my friend.

Again, I'll quiet down on bringing up the issue of Wall needing to play great. But it was just his first playoff game. And no need for me to point out a negative after such a great win. Cause again..it was just one game. No need for that. Especially for the "truther" in you.

Honestly, you always come in here when Wall does bad, you only rear your head when Wall has an off game, there is always some aspect of his game you feel compelled to highlight. You're not a wiz fan, I know that much (You're a Heat fan, right? That's reason enough to despise you ), but you follow Wall's career with some odd obsession with regards to Kyrie (who I think can still become a considerable player) but at least for myself, I hold John to a standard that I'd want my franchise player to be at, not at how pretty his crossover and 3 pt shooting may be. You can come and critique Wall, that is fine, but do it with some context. Wall was mediocre in scoring yesterday, no one will debate that, but with the way he defended down the stretch, he did his part. No one is going to shoot efficiently against the Bulls from the perimeter, especially your primary ball handler.

The most important stat is the W. This isn't fantasy basketball anymore.

And for the record, I'm a bit of an ****, so far that, I apologize.