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Post#261 » by god shammgod » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:11 pm

GREENBURGH, N.Y. - Phil Jackson hopes that Carmelo Anthony "is true to his word" and takes less than a maximum contract to re-sign with the Knicks.

Jackson said he will talk to Anthony and try to convince him that if he gives up some money, then he could have better supporting players around him. But the Knicks president also said the team is going forward whether Anthony stays or not.

"I'm all about moving forward," Jackson said Wednesday. "Just deal with what is and move forward. If it's in the cards, man are we fortunate. If it's not in the cards, man are we fortunate. We're going forward anyway."

Anthony will opt out of his contract and become a free agent July 1. The Knicks can give him a five-year deal worth roughly $129 million, about $34 million more than other teams can offer.

During All-Star weekend, Anthony said he would take less if it gave the Knicks more flexibility to sign other stars. That's what Jackson wants, and cited what Tim Duncan has done in San Antonio and Miami Heat's trio of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, who sacrificed millions to play together.

"I think a precedent's been set," Jackson said. "The way things have been structured now financially for teams is that it's really hard to have one or two top stars or max players and to put together a team with enough talent you've got to have people making sacrifices financially, so we hope that Carmelo is true to his word and we understand what it's going to take and we will present that to him at that time."

It doesn't sound like Jackson is planning to go all out in trying to get Anthony to stay. When someone asked about "wooing" Anthony, Jackson, an 11-time champion as a coach, said he won't do that.

"I like convincing," he said. "I'd like to appeal to his better nature, by winning, and that's what we want to do."

Jackson acknowledged that whether or not Anthony stays, the roster will look different next season.

"There are going to be changes," Jackson said. "There's always changes in team dynamics. I told the players that [last] Wednesday night. There will be changes. That's just the way basketball is. . . . You change the dynamics and one or two guys can change the complexity of a team. And the personality changes because of that. So we hope that that's an addition that will help lighten the load of his teammates."


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Post#262 » by makeitstop » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:14 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:The true media trolls are showing themselves right now.


Would you go as far as to say "They scared now?"


Maybe not scared. But continuing to hammer Isola's story after Phil directly refuted it smells pretty desperate.
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Post#263 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:16 pm

makeitstop wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:The true media trolls are showing themselves right now.


Would you go as far as to say "They scared now?"


Maybe not scared. But continuing to hammer Isola's story after Phil directly refuted it smells pretty desperate.


Ehhh.. he didn't directly refute it. Phil clearly said "basketball" decisions... how do you know Dolan didn't label whether or not some employees should be fired or retained as not being part of the day to bay "basketball" decisions?
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Post#264 » by makeitstop » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:20 pm

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Would you go as far as to say "They scared now?"


Maybe not scared. But continuing to hammer Isola's story after Phil directly refuted it smells pretty desperate.


Ehhh.. he didn't directly refute it. Phil clearly said "basketball" decisions... how do you know Dolan didn't label whether or not some employees should be fired or retained as not being part of the day to bay "basketball" decisions?


I don't, probably not many people past Phil and Dolan know that.

But if that was in the deal that Phil signed, then those decisions are out of Phil's purview to start with and it's not an issue anyway.
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Post#265 » by Deeeez Knicks » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:21 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:The true media trolls are showing themselves right now.


Would you go as far as to say "They scared now?"


They are at least trying to get there shots in while they still can.
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Post#266 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:23 pm

makeitstop wrote:
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makeitstop wrote:
Maybe not scared. But continuing to hammer Isola's story after Phil directly refuted it smells pretty desperate.


Ehhh.. he didn't directly refute it. Phil clearly said "basketball" decisions... how do you know Dolan didn't label whether or not some employees should be fired or retained as not being part of the day to bay "basketball" decisions?


I don't, probably not many people past Phil and Dolan know that.

But if that was in the deal that Phil signed, then those decisions are out of Phil's purview to start with and it's not an issue anyway.


But Phil might've felt those decisions were in his purview. I don't believe too much of the story... just because I don't really believe too much of what the media reports regardless of who's doing the reporting.
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Post#267 » by Bill Pidto » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:24 pm

FemaleDogPlease wrote:I'm not going to argue with you. Carmelo Anthony will not take a huge pay cut to stay on the Knicks. Team is very limited talent wise.

Taking less money to play on Houston would be a better option. Playing with a young star SG will add years to Carmelo career. That is fact. Don't forget Carmelo Anthony played with Iverson. I'm pretty sure he can deal with Harden who was a better facilitator than Westbrook in OKC.

Playing chicken with Carmelo through the media is not a good look for Phil.


B*tch, please..
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Post#268 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:25 pm

kane2021 wrote:Carmelo is getting awful advice if he opts out and is going to regret it. I really think carmelo is in middle of something larger. I think his agency sold him on the idea of opting out. And its because his agency is no longer calling shots for Dolan when it comes to their clients.

And there is no pre arranged agreement between Jackson and carmelo to take a specific lesser contact. If there was it would be fully understood that this needs to wait a year. And 25 million to be a part of a redirection is well worth it.

Carmelo is going to be forced to choose between his agency and the Knicks. His agency ain't letting him take less, long term, because we might do something next year. That's just awful advice. Plus carmelo himself said he don't want to wait.

Carmelo is opting out to leave. He might not even know it yet. It makes no sense. Its bad financial advice. Bad career advice. Caa would be fast to tell him this is a bad move. So it must be their idea. They are using him because they are mad they are not running the Knicks anymore.

Plus if Melo opts out and takes less, he'd probably make less this coming year than the $23.5m he's slated to receive under his current deal, with no benefit to the team because we're over the cap any way.

I understand that there's legitimate value in getting a long-term extension ASAP and not risking injury, but let's be real... it would have to be a REALLY bad injury to sway us away from giving Melo $20-22m next summer. And if it makes so much financial success to opt out and re-sign ASAP, how come Lebron, Wade, and Bosh haven't said they're definitely planning on opting out this summer?
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Post#269 » by poeman » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:25 pm

Gregory151 wrote:Phil out here representing :D

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Post#270 » by Capn'O » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:26 pm

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FemaleDogPlease wrote:I'm not going to argue with you. Carmelo Anthony will not take a huge pay cut to stay on the Knicks. Team is very limited talent wise.

Taking less money to play on Houston would be a better option. Playing with a young star SG will add years to Carmelo career. That is fact. Don't forget Carmelo Anthony played with Iverson. I'm pretty sure he can deal with Harden who was a better facilitator than Westbrook in OKC.

Playing chicken with Carmelo through the media is not a good look for Phil.


B*tch, please..


Right? You'd have to be from Mars to take a view like that.
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Post#271 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:27 pm

FemaleDogPlease wrote:I'm not going to argue with you. Carmelo Anthony will not take a huge pay cut to stay on the Knicks. Team is very limited talent wise.

Taking less money to play on Houston would be a better option. Playing with a young star SG will add years to Carmelo career. That is fact. Don't forget Carmelo Anthony played with Iverson. I'm pretty sure he can deal with Harden who was a better facilitator than Westbrook in OKC.

Playing chicken with Carmelo through the media is not a good look for Phil.

Can't compare discounts for NY and Houston... we are asking him to leave $3-4m/year on the table. He would need to take a much bigger pay-cut in order to play for Houston.
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Post#272 » by god shammgod » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:27 pm

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FemaleDogPlease wrote:I'm not going to argue with you. Carmelo Anthony will not take a huge pay cut to stay on the Knicks. Team is very limited talent wise.

Taking less money to play on Houston would be a better option. Playing with a young star SG will add years to Carmelo career. That is fact. Don't forget Carmelo Anthony played with Iverson. I'm pretty sure he can deal with Harden who was a better facilitator than Westbrook in OKC.

Playing chicken with Carmelo through the media is not a good look for Phil.


B*tch, please..


Right? You'd have to be from Mars to take a view like that.


mars huh..............hmm
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Post#273 » by K_ick_God » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:29 pm

islanders11040 wrote:
Gregory151 wrote:Phil out here representing :D

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WE LOVE U JACKSON. SAVE USSS!!!!!!!!


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Post#274 » by poeman » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:32 pm

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Post#275 » by Knicksman780 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:38 pm

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FemaleDogPlease wrote:I'm not going to argue with you. Carmelo Anthony will not take a huge pay cut to stay on the Knicks. Team is very limited talent wise.

Taking less money to play on Houston would be a better option. Playing with a young star SG will add years to Carmelo career. That is fact. Don't forget Carmelo Anthony played with Iverson. I'm pretty sure he can deal with Harden who was a better facilitator than Westbrook in OKC.

Playing chicken with Carmelo through the media is not a good look for Phil.

Can't compare discounts for NY and Houston... we are asking him to leave $3-4m/year on the table. He would need to take a much bigger pay-cut in order to play for Houston.

Do the salary comparison, then subtract the state taxes from playing in NY vs. no state taxes in Texas, then see what the gap is...
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Post#276 » by islanders11040 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:41 pm

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islanders11040 wrote:
Gregory151 wrote:Phil out here representing :D

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WE LOVE U JACKSON. SAVE USSS!!!!!!!!


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i love how all the media reports before the phil signing talked about him being a no show president who would be making all his decisions from back in his home in LA :lol:
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Post#277 » by Lord Commander » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:41 pm

FemaleDogPlease wrote:
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FemaleDogPlease wrote:Jackson wants Carmelo to take less when he is making 12 million a year. That conversation won't go well.



That conversation already happened. Where've you been?


I'm not going to argue with you. Carmelo Anthony will not take a huge pay cut to stay on the Knicks. Team is very limited talent wise.

Taking less money to play on Houston would be a better option. Playing with a young star SG will add years to Carmelo career. That is fact. Don't forget Carmelo Anthony played with Iverson. I'm pretty sure he can deal with Harden who was a better facilitator than Westbrook in OKC.

Playing chicken with Carmelo through the media is not a good look for Phil.


Again, the conversation purportedly took place (right after Jackson's hiring)and Carmelo stated that he would take less money if the Knicks sketched an acceptable plan. I was responding to your comment that the conversation about taking less money (because Phil makes 12M) will not go well.
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Post#278 » by E86 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:44 pm

I love how in the middle of Melo's contract everyone is like "Melo sucks," then when he's about to become a free agent all these fans of other teams want him on their roster.
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Post#279 » by YaMomsEx » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:46 pm

Bill Pidto wrote:
FemaleDogPlease wrote:I'm not going to argue with you. Carmelo Anthony will not take a huge pay cut to stay on the Knicks. Team is very limited talent wise.

Taking less money to play on Houston would be a better option. Playing with a young star SG will add years to Carmelo career. That is fact. Don't forget Carmelo Anthony played with Iverson. I'm pretty sure he can deal with Harden who was a better facilitator than Westbrook in OKC.

Playing chicken with Carmelo through the media is not a good look for Phil.


B*tch, please..


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Post#280 » by K_ick_God » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:47 pm

I have a feeling that Kerr could be a red herring, pun intended. Hunch is it will be someone else. Not a strong hunch but that's a 60-40 type guess.

I also think it's funny that Asshola and others can't say that Phil is in California, he isn't invested, etc. He's fully invested, locked in, and totally committed. And he's in NYC a lot and the season is over.

EDIT: Someone already said that.

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