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Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#1 » by aad » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:48 pm

Which player would you rather have on our team if it came to that and who you think will be the better player
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#2 » by Notanoob » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:54 pm

I'm happy enough with KCP. Neither are elite shooters, but they're good enough. Harris is a better slasher and playmaker, but KCP is a better defender and capable of shifting up to guard SFs, something that Harris cannot do. KCP is a better athlete as well, but if Harris stays healthy and is in a good situation for him, I could see him being a bit better due to his ability to handle the ball.
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#3 » by Laimbeer » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:57 pm

Harris pretty easily.

That said, I'm still inclined to give KCP some time, so I'm not anxious to draft a two unless he's clearly the best player available.
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#4 » by ImHeisenberg » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:33 pm

KCP is bigger, is a better defender. He's also is pretty athletic, while Harris is not an elite athlete. He's a good athlete, but not elite. KCP and Harris' shooting percentages in college aren't world's apart. So, I can't give Harris an edge on the offensive end, as he's not much of a passer or ball handler himself.

I think Harris is going to be a solid shooting guard in the NBA. He won't be a star, but he will be a reliable starter. I wouldn't draft him when we already have KCP. But that's just an unbiased opinion.
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#5 » by pistontr » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:47 pm

we need 3D players. it does not hurt to have both kcp and harris.
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#6 » by BasedWiseman » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:55 pm

Harris will be a better basketball player than KCP. With that being said i don't think the difference is big enough to warrant drafting Harris with our pick.
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Post#7 » by Laimbeer » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:18 pm

Harris is slated to go 8-12. When I asked about KCP's value on the trade forum, the response was generally a low first, at best.
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#8 » by detroitKG » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:09 pm

KCP because he's better defensively, has better size, has better athleticism, he's just better :lol:
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#9 » by tmorgan » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:46 pm

Based on what we saw in KCP's rookie year and Harris' sophomore season, I really can't see any reason to prefer Harris except for age.

KCP definitely has the better NBA body and athleticism. Harris' rep as a shooter is better, but his numbers last year certainly don't back it up. KCP is already a solid defender, great covering the pass and OK on his man, and should only get better.

If you're looking for someone to score, there's a decent but hardly rock solid argument for preferring Harris. If you're looking for a ball handler or passer, don't look to either of these guys. If you're looking for a defender, there's a strong argument in favor of KCP.
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#10 » by Q00 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:03 am

Harris looks better now, but KCP also looked better than Harris last year when both were in college, so its not really fair to compare how one does vs NBA talent when the other is going against college players. Though I'm not sure their differences in skillset are enough to warrant using the 8th pick two years in a row on such similar players.
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Post#11 » by theBigLip » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:07 am

I'd lean to KCP because of his size and athleticism, but both players need to be working hard just to be a consistent starter in this league. They are close enough talentwise that it will come down to who works harder in the next few years.
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#12 » by He Filled it Up » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:34 am

I think that KCP can guard most wing players, so I don't see why they can't both play together. And either one is a nice player to have off the bench.

That said I'd rather not draft Harris.
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Post#13 » by DBC10 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:35 am

I like Harris as a player, but I wouldn't give up on KCP yet this early since it makes no sense unless he showed that he absolutely can't be a starter in this league.

KCP's the better athlete and defender and his shooting touch when given the greenlight is pretty good too.
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#14 » by rmfc » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:37 am

If KCP can stop dreaming when he is on the court, I think that he has higher upside than Harris.

I would give KCP another year...at least. So, no SGs needed from this draft.
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#15 » by RSCD3_ » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:58 am

Dont make the mistake of the thinking guards that shot well from 3 as in the man in college and had bad shooting their rookie year wont develop their shooting as a less ball dominant player.

Case in point aaron afflalo

I wouldnt write kcp off as a non shooter so early especially given the lack of rhythm he's been getting


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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#16 » by Ghost » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:52 am

I would rather have KCP than Harris, due to size, athletic ability, and versatility. It's more likely that KCP can be an impactful defender at the NBA level than Harris. Plus, we already have KCP and I'd like to give him a few years before we bail.
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#17 » by Bakuto » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:04 am

If Harris is the best player there when we pick, I would have absolutely no issue with the Pistons drafting him.

He can shoot, and he can defend. Stuckey is gone, leaving guard minutes available. Harris and KCP can battle it out for the starting two, and we can have another awesome shooting/defending guard off the bench.

I have absolutely no problem with the possibility of drafting Gary Harris. He seems like a really nice guy too.
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#18 » by tmorgan » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:51 pm

I have no problem with drafting Harris in general. I do have a problem with drafting him at #8.
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#19 » by tru2dagame » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:20 pm

If KCP could do half of what he did in the last game, then we're better off with him, but as mentioned, I don't see why we couldn't have both.
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Re: Gary harris vs kcp 

Post#20 » by need4detroit » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:12 pm

KCP's quite the athlete. Elite speed and lateral quickness. But yeah, if Harris is the best one available, I have no problem in taking him.
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