Phil Jackson w/ Media

[K_ick_God]

Jackson was promised full autonomy by Dolan in running the organization. But a little more than a month after he signed a five-year deal, there was a report Wednesday in The Daily News that Dolan was resisting some nonbasketball personnel changes that Jackson wanted to make.

Jackson did not dismiss the report, saying: “I like to know that the people who are here want to buy in and they want to be part of it and throw their entire being into what we’re trying to do. If they have a brand or stamp on them that puts them as Phil Jackson’s guy or whatever, that’s not important. It’s important that we join forces and minds and work together.”

Just amounts to little or nothing and closer to nothing.

[makeitstop]

Jackson was promised full autonomy by Dolan in running the organization. But a little more than a month after he signed a five-year deal, there was a report Wednesday in The Daily News that Dolan was resisting some nonbasketball personnel changes that Jackson wanted to make.

Jackson did not dismiss the report, saying: “I like to know that the people who are here want to buy in and they want to be part of it and throw their entire being into what we’re trying to do. If they have a brand or stamp on them that puts them as Phil Jackson’s guy or whatever, that’s not important. It’s important that we join forces and minds and work together.”

Just amounts to little or nothing and closer to nothing.

If BSPN hadn't decided to go wall to wall with it today, no one would have cared except us.

[offense]

dam bobcats need to step it up!

[JBreezeNY]

Jackson was promised full autonomy by Dolan in running the organization. But a little more than a month after he signed a five-year deal, there was a report Wednesday in The Daily News that Dolan was resisting some nonbasketball personnel changes that Jackson wanted to make.

Jackson did not dismiss the report, saying: “I like to know that the people who are here want to buy in and they want to be part of it and throw their entire being into what we’re trying to do. If they have a brand or stamp on them that puts them as Phil Jackson’s guy or whatever, that’s not important. It’s important that we join forces and minds and work together.”

@ Phil not dismissing the report.

What a load of bullsh*t.

[NYKat]

Have the videos been posted? I don't know how to post video but I think seeing him talk rather than getting parsed tweets puts a lot of his commentary in better context and perspective.

http://www.msg.com/teams/knicks.html?vid=2451454805

I love this one cause I am in agreement with him about the talent level of this team.

thanks. wrong link actually though. this is the one where he says the talent is here but the combination of that talent needs to be addressed.

http://www.msg.com/videos/index.html?vid=2451438955

He says verbatim that the players told him that they had the talent. Then he goes on to make a general statement that the talent is here.

He in no way is saying what NyKat said from before the season started, during the season and after the season.

NyKat will be trying to validate his opinion that the 2013-14 Knicks were a championship contending team which was obviously wrong. Now unless all 15 of the players of the 2013-14 Knicks come back next year and go on to contend which we know isn't going to happen NyKat is never going to be right.

This guy NyKat refused to believe the roster sucked even when the roster was flat out sucking because he couldn't admit to himself or to anyone else that he was wrong.

If someone can't tell that Phil is itching to get at this roster to make changes they're just not paying attention.

The 2013-14 Knicks weren't a good basketball team.. and Phil making excuses for them so he doesn't come off sounding as a jerk isn't going to change anybody's mind.

Otherwise thanks for posting the video.

I mean, I guess we'll see.

Phil is definitely going to make some changes as a new GM cause that's what they do, but aside from upgrading the point guard position I would love nothing more than for Phil to go into our next camp with majority of the core intact, cause if/when they overachieve, it damn sure would validate my faith in this roster.


Fact of the matter is Phil clearly agreed the talent is there, and you don't get to 2nd in your conference as we did with most of this roster last year, without elite talent.

If you think talent was the problem with this team, I'm sorry but your basketball analysis is completely misguided.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

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I mean, I guess we'll see.

Phil is definitely going to make some changes as a new GM cause that's what they do, but aside from upgrading the point guard position I would love nothing more than for Phil to go into our next camp with majority of the core intact, cause if/when they overachieve, it damn sure would validate my faith in this roster.


Fact of the matter is Phil clearly agreed the talent is there, and you don't get to 2nd in your conference as we did with most of this roster last year, without elite talent.

If you think talent was the problem with this team, I'm sorry but your basketball analysis is completely misguided.

12-13 team was nothing special. The defense was too poor for the team to qualify as elite and our record was inflated by unsustainable contributions from Kidd, K-mart, Sheed, and Cope. Not worth f'ing with a potential contender to try to relive any of that.

[NYKat]

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I mean, I guess we'll see.

Phil is definitely going to make some changes as a new GM cause that's what they do, but aside from upgrading the point guard position I would love nothing more than for Phil to go into our next camp with majority of the core intact, cause if/when they overachieve, it damn sure would validate my faith in this roster.


Fact of the matter is Phil clearly agreed the talent is there, and you don't get to 2nd in your conference as we did with most of this roster last year, without elite talent.

If you think talent was the problem with this team, I'm sorry but your basketball analysis is completely misguided.

12-13 team was nothing special. The defense was too poor for the team to qualify as elite and our record was inflated by unsustainable contributions from Kidd, K-mart, Sheed, and Cope. Not worth f'ing with a potential contender to try to relive any of that.

This all Monday morning quarterbacking tbh.

Listen, the 12-13 team wasn't elite, the 13-14 team definitely wasn't elite, but the talent was. Don't mistake leadership for talent. Our leadership (from Woody, to Melo, to Felton, to Kidds absence) was horrendous this year but that doesn't mean that the roster sucked.

It's like saying a BMW is a **** car just because it has a **** battery, the two are not mutually exclusive, you replace the battery all of a sudden that car is elite.

[aq_ua]

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I mean, I guess we'll see.

Phil is definitely going to make some changes as a new GM cause that's what they do, but aside from upgrading the point guard position I would love nothing more than for Phil to go into our next camp with majority of the core intact, cause if/when they overachieve, it damn sure would validate my faith in this roster.


Fact of the matter is Phil clearly agreed the talent is there, and you don't get to 2nd in your conference as we did with most of this roster last year, without elite talent.

If you think talent was the problem with this team, I'm sorry but your basketball analysis is completely misguided.

12-13 team was nothing special. The defense was too poor for the team to qualify as elite and our record was inflated by unsustainable contributions from Kidd, K-mart, Sheed, and Cope. Not worth f'ing with a potential contender to try to relive any of that.

This all Monday morning quarterbacking tbh.

Listen, the 12-13 team wasn't elite, the 13-14 team definitely wasn't elite, but the talent was. Don't mistake leadership for talent. Our leadership (from Woody, to Melo, to Kidds absence) was horrendous this year but that doesn't mean that the roster sucked.

It's like saying a BMW is a **** car just because it has a **** battery, the two are not mutually exclusive.

What you're saying is no different than Amar'e saying we are a championship contender on paper. A championship contender doesn't sit out the playoffs. Great leadership takes you from fringe playoff team to playoff team, or playoff team to deeper into the playoffs. It doesn't take a lottery bound roster and transform it into an "elite" one. Phil Jackson is not going to be the coach. He just decides the personnel. There is no miracle waiting to happen to here.

[NYKat]

12-13 team was nothing special. The defense was too poor for the team to qualify as elite and our record was inflated by unsustainable contributions from Kidd, K-mart, Sheed, and Cope. Not worth f'ing with a potential contender to try to relive any of that.

This all Monday morning quarterbacking tbh.

Listen, the 12-13 team wasn't elite, the 13-14 team definitely wasn't elite, but the talent was. Don't mistake leadership for talent. Our leadership (from Woody, to Melo, to Kidds absence) was horrendous this year but that doesn't mean that the roster sucked.

It's like saying a BMW is a **** car just because it has a **** battery, the two are not mutually exclusive.

What you're saying is no different than Amar'e saying we are a championship contender on paper. A championship contender doesn't sit out the playoffs. Great leadership takes you from fringe playoff team to playoff team, or playoff team to deeper into the playoffs. It doesn't take a lottery bound roster and transform it into an "elite" one. Phil Jackson is not going to be the coach. He just decides the personnel. There is no miracle waiting to happen to here.

But good leadership is essential to having a good team and a good team is the difference between going from a 9th seeded team to a 2nd seeded team and vice versa for lack of leadership.

Here's the thing, we weren't a good team, cause we didn't play like one. The roster has always been very f*cking good, though. All the pieces are there, the lack of sound leadership prevented us from meshing as a team.

[aq_ua]

This all Monday morning quarterbacking tbh.

Listen, the 12-13 team wasn't elite, the 13-14 team definitely wasn't elite, but the talent was. Don't mistake leadership for talent. Our leadership (from Woody, to Melo, to Kidds absence) was horrendous this year but that doesn't mean that the roster sucked.

It's like saying a BMW is a **** car just because it has a **** battery, the two are not mutually exclusive.

What you're saying is no different than Amar'e saying we are a championship contender on paper. A championship contender doesn't sit out the playoffs. Great leadership takes you from fringe playoff team to playoff team, or playoff team to deeper into the playoffs. It doesn't take a lottery bound roster and transform it into an "elite" one. Phil Jackson is not going to be the coach. He just decides the personnel. There is no miracle waiting to happen to here.

But good leadership is essential to having a good team and a good team is the difference between going from a 9th seeded team to a 2nd seeded team and vice versa for lack of leadership.

Here's the thing, we weren't a good team, cause we didn't play like one. The roster has always been very f*cking good, though. All the pieces are there, the lack of sound leadership prevented us from meshing as a team.

Agree that good leadership is essential for a good team. I just don't see the raw ingredients on the roster that even a great leader could take a mold into a contender. Our point guard play is sloppy and inconsistent, our perimeter defense is awful and confused, and our interior defense has just been lethargic at best. We get by because our three point shooting can get real hot, sometimes we're very good on the offensive boards, and we have low turnovers because a lot of our offense is iso-based. All of that - to me - screams talent deficiencies at all key positions.

[Quadruple H]

He got into a Fist Fight with Michael Jordan in Practice

Jordan punched him

Jordan didn't sucker punch him

Jordan 6'6 220
Kerr 6'2 170

Who do you think is gonna win a fight?

Phil Jackson isn't the motivational type either, the guy has Meditation sessions he's

So if you meditate you're crazy?

Sounds like you've got a pretty narrow view of the world bro.

[ibraheim718]

thanks. wrong link actually though. this is the one where he says the talent is here but the combination of that talent needs to be addressed.

http://www.msg.com/videos/index.html?vid=2451438955

He says verbatim that the players told him that they had the talent. Then he goes on to make a general statement that the talent is here.

He in no way is saying what NyKat said from before the season started, during the season and after the season.

NyKat will be trying to validate his opinion that the 2013-14 Knicks were a championship contending team which was obviously wrong. Now unless all 15 of the players of the 2013-14 Knicks come back next year and go on to contend which we know isn't going to happen NyKat is never going to be right.

This guy NyKat refused to believe the roster sucked even when the roster was flat out sucking because he couldn't admit to himself or to anyone else that he was wrong.

If someone can't tell that Phil is itching to get at this roster to make changes they're just not paying attention.

The 2013-14 Knicks weren't a good basketball team.. and Phil making excuses for them so he doesn't come off sounding as a jerk isn't going to change anybody's mind.

Otherwise thanks for posting the video.

I mean, I guess we'll see.

Phil is definitely going to make some changes as a new GM cause that's what they do, but aside from upgrading the point guard position I would love nothing more than for Phil to go into our next camp with majority of the core intact, cause if/when they overachieve, it damn sure would validate my faith in this roster.


Fact of the matter is Phil clearly agreed the talent is there, and you don't get to 2nd in your conference as we did with most of this roster last year, without elite talent.

If you think talent was the problem with this team, I'm sorry but your basketball analysis is completely misguided.

Hey Misguide this... My analysis on the team has been spotless for 2 years straight. Yours? Complete unabridged naive homerism.

We've got a PG who is about to get locked up who has looked fat and slow.

Another PG who just turned 36.

A Center who has ZERO offensive game minus catching an alley oop every now and then.

A PF who gets hurt all the time, has no passion to play basketball and has been an indisputable number 1 pick bust.

Another PF who has to play with a minute restriction and doesn't have a clue what he's doing on defense.

A rookie SG who can't facilitate and couldn't guard a shopping cart.

A back up center nobody wanted.

A SG who wasn't on a team when we picked him up.

Another PG who can't shoot.

Another SG as if 3 isn't enough who smokes weed on his off time and gets caught repeatedly... is busy untying shoelaces during games or flushing games down the toilet because he wants to shoot an open jumper.

A 90 million dollar payroll that produced 37 wins.

A star player who has plastic shoulders and is dumbfounded when he wonders why his incessant chucking isn't working anymore and his team misses the playoffs.

Another SG who for whatever reason was having an emotional breakdown because his name was being brought up in trade rumors.. who can't finish at the rim, dribbles like Kevin Willis, and doesn't know what a good shot is.

In the NBA when you have talent you win games... period.

Why don't you ask ThuggerHBC how much talent the team had this year and see if he agrees with you.

[Thugger HBC]

He says verbatim that the players told him that they had the talent. Then he goes on to make a general statement that the talent is here.

He in no way is saying what NyKat said from before the season started, during the season and after the season.

NyKat will be trying to validate his opinion that the 2013-14 Knicks were a championship contending team which was obviously wrong. Now unless all 15 of the players of the 2013-14 Knicks come back next year and go on to contend which we know isn't going to happen NyKat is never going to be right.

This guy NyKat refused to believe the roster sucked even when the roster was flat out sucking because he couldn't admit to himself or to anyone else that he was wrong.

If someone can't tell that Phil is itching to get at this roster to make changes they're just not paying attention.

The 2013-14 Knicks weren't a good basketball team.. and Phil making excuses for them so he doesn't come off sounding as a jerk isn't going to change anybody's mind.

Otherwise thanks for posting the video.

I mean, I guess we'll see.

Phil is definitely going to make some changes as a new GM cause that's what they do, but aside from upgrading the point guard position I would love nothing more than for Phil to go into our next camp with majority of the core intact, cause if/when they overachieve, it damn sure would validate my faith in this roster.


Fact of the matter is Phil clearly agreed the talent is there, and you don't get to 2nd in your conference as we did with most of this roster last year, without elite talent.

If you think talent was the problem with this team, I'm sorry but your basketball analysis is completely misguided.

Hey Misguide this... My analysis on the team has been spotless for 2 years straight. Yours? Complete unabridged naive homerism.

We've got a PG who is about to get locked up who has looked fat and slow.

Another PG who just turned 36.

A Center who has ZERO offensive game minus catching an alley oop every now and then.

A PF who gets hurt all the time, has no passion to play basketball and has been an indisputable number 1 pick bust.

Another PF who has to play with a minute restriction and doesn't have a clue what he's doing on defense.

A rookie SG who can't facilitate and couldn't guard a shopping cart.

A back up center nobody wanted.

A SG who wasn't on a team when we picked him up.

Another PG who can't shoot.

Another SG as if 3 isn't enough who smokes weed on his off time and gets caught repeatedly... is busy untying shoelaces during games or flushing games down the toilet because he wants to shoot an open jumper.

A 90 million dollar payroll that produced 37 wins.

A star player who has plastic shoulders and is dumbfounded when he wonders why his incessant chucking isn't working anymore and his team misses the playoffs.

Another SG who for whatever reason was having an emotional breakdown because his name was being brought up in trade rumors.. who can't finish at the rim, dribbles like Kevin Willis, and doesn't know what a good shot is.

In the NBA when you have talent you win games... period.

Why don't you ask ThuggerHBC how much talent the team had this year and see if he agrees with you.

When the team decided to go in the direction of more offense, and didnt bother to address the true needs, I knew this team would regress, but this season wasnt just regression it was a total collapse, and it all rest solely at the heels of the ones wearing the jerseys, and the one who put them here, who thankfully was fired on spot.

If anything we learned from this group going from last season is you wont win squat without playing defense.

Their version of adding defense was a self admitted bad knee Artest and K-Mart who had the same ankle sprain since last year.

But i do feel they shouldnt have been this bad, and at best was a .500 club, which ironically was the team last year even with much better IQ'ed older cats.

But if the debate is whether they have talent...of course they do...all teams do.

but they dont have talent to compete consistently and no coaching can change that.

As much as some are taking Phil's words of saying there's talent on this team, he also said a few weeks ago that the team is searching for talent.

His exact quote when the Knicks somehow allowed 51 points in a single quarter to the Lakers....“We’re in a talent hunt. We have to bring in talent.”

Clearly Phil is talking about two different things here.....one is paper, the other is the kind that competes.

The Knicks currently have zero of the latter.

[kosmovitelli]

Anyway, as I've said a few times already, it's difficult to ask Melo to take a paycut at this point. Phil mentioned Tim Duncan and Lebron but Tim Duncan did it when the Spurs were already a championship caliber team and they already had Parker and Ginobili. Despite taking a paycut, Duncan was still the highest paid player on the Spurs roster. Lebron did it in order to play with Wade and Bosh. Melo knows Amare and Tyson will likely remain on the roster next year and they'll be gone in 2015. What kind of sacrifice can you ask at this point ? If the Knicks were under the cap and could sign both Rondo and Marc Gasol then you could ask Melo to take less money in order to make room for those players, you'd know exactly how much money you need Melo to leave on the table in order to assemble a winning team. At this point, both Phil Jackson and Melo are in the dark. If Melo takes less money and Knicks strike out in 2015 then Melo will be screwed.

How early in a new contract could there be an opt-out clause? In the unlikely event that signing Melo to a cheaper deal doesn't result in some good signings next summer, couldn't he opt out, or at least use the threat of an eventual opt out to demand a trade?

An ETO (Early Termination Option) can only be included at the end of the fourth season. If Melo signs a new five-year deal then he could opt out in 2018. There’s also the possibility of a player option but an option only adds one year to the original length of the contract (if the option is invoked). With a player option, Melo can sign a 1 + 1 contract (one season + an option year), 2 +1, 3+1 or 4+1. The latter is equivalent to an ETO, the difference being that with the ETO the player needs to invoke the option to terminate the contract early (and does nothing if he just wants to remain under contract) while with the player option it’s the opposite, the player needs to invoke the option to remain under contract one more year.

Unless Melo signs a 1 + 1 next summer (one year contract+ an option year), he can’t opt out in 2015. Obviously it makes no sense for him to sign a one year deal, he can just waive his ETO and remain under contract until 2015.
If Melo signs a multiyear contract next summer then the contract can be renegotiated after three seasons ( the contract must be for four or five seasons) if the team’s under the cap. A renegotiation can only happen after the three-year anniversary of the signing, meaning that the earliest Melo could renegotiate the contract is july 2017. Contracts can only be renegotiated upward, a renegotiation can only increase compensation (salary and/or bonuses).
Basically, to answer your question in a few words, Melo can’t opt out after one season if he’s unhappy in july 2015. Wether it’s with the Knicks or another team, either he makes a long term commitment and signs a 4/5 year deal (5 with Bird rights) or he signs a shorter contract if he wants to preserve some kind of flexibility. The only other solution is the one he already rejected : waive his ETO and remain under contract until 2015.

[Deeeez Knicks]

This all Monday morning quarterbacking tbh.

Listen, the 12-13 team wasn't elite, the 13-14 team definitely wasn't elite, but the talent was. Don't mistake leadership for talent. Our leadership (from Woody, to Melo, to Kidds absence) was horrendous this year but that doesn't mean that the roster sucked.

It's like saying a BMW is a **** car just because it has a **** battery, the two are not mutually exclusive.

What you're saying is no different than Amar'e saying we are a championship contender on paper. A championship contender doesn't sit out the playoffs. Great leadership takes you from fringe playoff team to playoff team, or playoff team to deeper into the playoffs. It doesn't take a lottery bound roster and transform it into an "elite" one. Phil Jackson is not going to be the coach. He just decides the personnel. There is no miracle waiting to happen to here.

But good leadership is essential to having a good team and a good team is the difference between going from a 9th seeded team to a 2nd seeded team and vice versa for lack of leadership.

Here's the thing, we weren't a good team, cause we didn't play like one. The roster has always been very f*cking good, though. All the pieces are there, the lack of sound leadership prevented us from meshing as a team.

Beyond leadership, the roster is very flawed. You need balance. Knicks have too many low IQ, shoot first, one way players on the team. We missed Kidd’s passing and IQ more then leadership

I think its the opposite of the type of team Phil wants. I would expect him to bring in more high IQ, all around players.

Not sure how much change Phil can pull off in the offseason, but I'd expect him to at least bring in some cheap role players that fit his style. And eventually the roster will be rebuilt.

[NYKat]

He says verbatim that the players told him that they had the talent. Then he goes on to make a general statement that the talent is here.

He in no way is saying what NyKat said from before the season started, during the season and after the season.

NyKat will be trying to validate his opinion that the 2013-14 Knicks were a championship contending team which was obviously wrong. Now unless all 15 of the players of the 2013-14 Knicks come back next year and go on to contend which we know isn't going to happen NyKat is never going to be right.

This guy NyKat refused to believe the roster sucked even when the roster was flat out sucking because he couldn't admit to himself or to anyone else that he was wrong.

If someone can't tell that Phil is itching to get at this roster to make changes they're just not paying attention.

The 2013-14 Knicks weren't a good basketball team.. and Phil making excuses for them so he doesn't come off sounding as a jerk isn't going to change anybody's mind.

Otherwise thanks for posting the video.

I mean, I guess we'll see.

Phil is definitely going to make some changes as a new GM cause that's what they do, but aside from upgrading the point guard position I would love nothing more than for Phil to go into our next camp with majority of the core intact, cause if/when they overachieve, it damn sure would validate my faith in this roster.


Fact of the matter is Phil clearly agreed the talent is there, and you don't get to 2nd in your conference as we did with most of this roster last year, without elite talent.

If you think talent was the problem with this team, I'm sorry but your basketball analysis is completely misguided.

Hey Misguide this... My analysis on the team has been spotless for 2 years straight. Yours? Complete unabridged naive homerism.

We've got a PG who is about to get locked up who has looked fat and slow.

Another PG who just turned 36.

A Center who has ZERO offensive game minus catching an alley oop every now and then.

A PF who gets hurt all the time, has no passion to play basketball and has been an indisputable number 1 pick bust.

Another PF who has to play with a minute restriction and doesn't have a clue what he's doing on defense.

A rookie SG who can't facilitate and couldn't guard a shopping cart.

A back up center nobody wanted.

A SG who wasn't on a team when we picked him up.

Another PG who can't shoot.

Another SG as if 3 isn't enough who smokes weed on his off time and gets caught repeatedly... is busy untying shoelaces during games or flushing games down the toilet because he wants to shoot an open jumper.

A 90 million dollar payroll that produced 37 wins.

A star player who has plastic shoulders and is dumbfounded when he wonders why his incessant chucking isn't working anymore and his team misses the playoffs.

Another SG who for whatever reason was having an emotional breakdown because his name was being brought up in trade rumors.. who can't finish at the rim, dribbles like Kevin Willis, and doesn't know what a good shot is.

In the NBA when you have talent you win games... period.

Why don't you ask ThuggerHBC how much talent the team had this year and see if he agrees with you.

It's clear some of you are incapable of deciphering between talent and team play.

Your individual player evaluation is comically juvenile and biased. Check the resumes homeboy. The fact is this roster has an all NBA scorer, a DPOY, a top FG% forward, a sixth man of the year, an elite rookie year perimeter defender, a knock down rookie perimeter shooter etc.

But no, actually, "when you have talent you do not necessarily win games...period" it takes teamwork, mental discipline and leadership. Three things we were sorely lacking but don't automatically mean that we don't have talent, the two are not mutually exclusive. The fact that you are unable to comprehend these concepts speaks volumes to your basketball IQ and ability to critically analyze the game.

[NYKat]

What you're saying is no different than Amar'e saying we are a championship contender on paper. A championship contender doesn't sit out the playoffs. Great leadership takes you from fringe playoff team to playoff team, or playoff team to deeper into the playoffs. It doesn't take a lottery bound roster and transform it into an "elite" one. Phil Jackson is not going to be the coach. He just decides the personnel. There is no miracle waiting to happen to here.

But good leadership is essential to having a good team and a good team is the difference between going from a 9th seeded team to a 2nd seeded team and vice versa for lack of leadership.

Here's the thing, we weren't a good team, cause we didn't play like one. The roster has always been very f*cking good, though. All the pieces are there, the lack of sound leadership prevented us from meshing as a team.

Beyond leadership, the roster is very flawed. You need balance. Knicks have too many low IQ, shoot first, one way players on the team. We missed Kidd’s passing and IQ more then leadership

I think its the opposite of the type of team Phil wants. I would expect him to bring in more high IQ, all around players.

Not sure how much change Phil can pull off in the offseason, but I'd expect him to at least bring in some cheap role players that fit his style. And eventually the roster will be rebuilt.

We had most of this same low IQ, shoot first, one way players in 2013. The lack of leadership was the difference so was the roster flawed, very slightly, but not enough to the primary cause of this collapse, it was more mental than technical, and I don't think many people put enough emphasis on the intangibles that go into winning.

Here's what Phil wants: a system.

A blueprint set of principles to fall back on, during the game, so we don't live and die by shots falling.

[BadNewsBarnes]

Your individual player evaluation is comically juvenile and biased. Check the resumes homeboy. The fact is this roster has an all NBA scorer, a DPOY, a top FG% forward, a sixth man of the year, an elite rookie year perimeter defender, a knock down rookie perimeter shooter etc.

You are almost right about this....ex-DPOY, ex-top FG Forward, ex-sixth man, ex-elite rookie....

[NYKat]

Your individual player evaluation is comically juvenile and biased. Check the resumes homeboy. The fact is this roster has an all NBA scorer, a DPOY, a top FG% forward, a sixth man of the year, an elite rookie year perimeter defender, a knock down rookie perimeter shooter etc.

You are almost right about this....ex-DPOY, ex-top FG Forward, ex-sixth man, ex-elite rookie....

point being the talent is there.

these guys skills haven't magically deteriorated because of one bad year under Woodson, despite what the popular opinion is. Under the right the system and leadership, they have the ability to compete with anyone in the league.

[Deeeez Knicks]

But good leadership is essential to having a good team and a good team is the difference between going from a 9th seeded team to a 2nd seeded team and vice versa for lack of leadership.

Here's the thing, we weren't a good team, cause we didn't play like one. The roster has always been very f*cking good, though. All the pieces are there, the lack of sound leadership prevented us from meshing as a team.

Beyond leadership, the roster is very flawed. You need balance. Knicks have too many low IQ, shoot first, one way players on the team. We missed Kidd’s passing and IQ more then leadership

I think its the opposite of the type of team Phil wants. I would expect him to bring in more high IQ, all around players.

Not sure how much change Phil can pull off in the offseason, but I'd expect him to at least bring in some cheap role players that fit his style. And eventually the roster will be rebuilt.

We had most of this same low IQ, shoot first, one way players in 2013. The lack of leadership was the difference so was the roster flawed, very slightly, but not enough to the primary cause of this collapse, it was more mental than technical, and I don't think many people put enough emphasis on the intangibles that go into winning.

Here's what Phil wants: a system.

A blueprint set of principles to fall back on, during the game, so we don't live and die by shots falling.

The team is filled with vets. That they can't lead or need more leaders says a lot about how flawed the roster is. Lack of leadership is mostly an excuse that ignores the bigger problems with the roster.

Phil wants a system, but also wants players that fit that system. Only a matter of time before the team is gutted and rebuilt