2014 Free Agency Thread

[JDR720]

Is this the same Jeff Green that has a lower FG%, 3PT% and PER than Gerald this season while being a year older? What am I missing?

he is playing as the 1st option on a bad team, he has the highest PER of the non PF/C not counting Rondo

[yosemiteben]

Is this the same Jeff Green that has a lower FG%, 3PT% and PER than Gerald this season while being a year older? What am I missing?

he is playing as the 1st option on a bad team, he has the highest PER of the non PF/C not counting Rondo

Check his history, his PER is right in line with his career average, as are his shooting percentages.

[Snidely FC]

Jeff Green gets paid $8M

McRoberts has the same PER, same rebound/game avg, shoots better % from 2 & 3, has all the intangibles, and will give way if all goes well to Zeller in the next 2 yrs. He gets paid $2.5 this year.

Rather than sign Green, I would rather sign

McRoberts $3.5M
CDR $1M
Tolliver $1M
Greivis Vasquez $2.5M
Total: $8M

[mrknowitall215]

Jeff Green gets paid $8M

McRoberts has the same PER, same rebound/game avg, shoots better % from 2 & 3, has all the intangibles, and will give way if all goes well to Zeller in the next 2 yrs. He gets paid $2.5 this year.

Rather than sign Green, I would rather sign

McRoberts $3.5M
CDR $1M
Tolliver $1M
Greivis Vasquez $2.5M
Total: $8M

This. I think it's imperative to keep the camaraderie of the locker room with productive & serviceable reserves like CDR and Tolliver. Vasquez would be the perfect backup PG to Kemba with his size, ability to score, but pass-first mentality. Re-sign all of the aforementioned players, and look to upgrade the depth at PG, SG, and PF positions via draft/free-agency

Roster spots will become available as Ridnour, Pargo, and D.J. White expire. Also, depending on what they can acquire during the offseason, Jeff Taylor's team option may be in jeopardy of not being picked up pending on how he's able to perform against the new competition during training camp

Therefore, there's 3-4 open roster spots going into next season for Charlotte to upgrade

[HornetJail]

Jeff Green gets paid $8M

McRoberts has the same PER, same rebound/game avg, shoots better % from 2 & 3, has all the intangibles, and will give way if all goes well to Zeller in the next 2 yrs. He gets paid $2.5 this year.

Rather than sign Green, I would rather sign

McRoberts $3.5M
CDR $1M
Tolliver $1M
Greivis Vasquez $2.5M
Total: $8M

Vasquez will make more than 2.5M. He's a legit starting caliber PG.

We'd have to trade for Green in any case, and I think Henderson would be a part of that deal, meaning trading for Green doesn't do much to our salary situation. I proposed a Green for Henderson+Taylor+Neal+24+two 2nds deal on the T&T board. Not only would we get to upgrade Henderson and Neal for Green, we get extra cap space! I'd love Jeff Green as a third option. I think he'd perform very similar to the Jeff Green of a season ago but with more shots. If he could put up 15/5 on 47/38/80, he'd be incredible for us. Immediately makes our rotations a ton more flexible, since he plays the 3, is as effective as an enormous and athletic 2-guard, and a fantastic small-ball 4 if we decided to go that route while Al takes a breather.

[Amateur Wannabe]

I myself am a big fan of Jeff Green and would love to see him Hornet. My guess is that he would blossom in Cliff's basketball and I really hope Charlotte gets him someway.

[mrknowitall215]

We'd have to trade for Green in any case, and I think Henderson would be a part of that deal, meaning trading for Green doesn't do much to our salary situation. I proposed a Green for Henderson+Taylor+Neal+24+two 2nds deal on the T&T board. Not only would we get to upgrade Henderson and Neal for Green, we get extra cap space! I'd love Jeff Green as a third option. I think he'd perform very similar to the Jeff Green of a season ago but with more shots. If he could put up 15/5 on 47/38/80, he'd be incredible for us.

If Charlotte trade Gerald Henderson for Jeff Green, I think the best role would be to use Green as the 6th man

Kemba/?
CDR/Green/Neal
MKG/Green/Tolliver
McRoberts/Zeller
Jefferson/Biyombo

...and of course Charlotte would make significant upgrades at relative & respective positions during the offseason, but I don't see no harm in using CDR as a stopgap SG a la Thabo Sefolosha. The starting unit thrives with him on the floor as it is, and he'll be cheap

[MasterIchiro]

Dumping Henderson for Jeff Green is a nice hedge against missing on Lance Stephenson and if Lance signs then you just move Green to SF.


Kemba Walker - Shabazz Napier
Lance Stephenson - Gary Neal
Jeff Green - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Cody Zeller - Josh McRoberts
Al Jefferson - Bismack Biyombo

That starting lineup is large and in-charge

And we head into 2014-2015 holding a top-1 protected pick from the Pistons as well. We could select a young big man and transition to a very young starting lineup when Green and Al Jefferson's contracts expire

Kemba
Lance
MKG
Zeller
Pistons pick

[mrknowitall215]

Jeff Green wouldn't, or for a better use of words, 'shouldn't' start over MKG. If Green was that good, the Celtics wouldn't be a bottom feeder while he's in his prime with a All-Star caliber PG in Rajon Rondo

[MasterIchiro]

You have to consider we'd be a deeper team and keeping the 2nd unit on the floor longer allows to keep Kemba and Al fresh the whole season. Plus Green can back up SG at times. I think you can set it up so MKG gets his 24 MPG again next year or even bump up to 30.

[mrknowitall215]

You have to consider we'd be a deeper team and keeping the 2nd unit on the floor longer allows to keep Kemba and Al fresh the whole season. Plus Green can back up SG at times. I think you can set it up so MKG gets his 24 MPG again next year or even bump up to 30.

Exactly. In this scenario, if Charlotte acquires Green wouldn't it be ideal for him to come off the bench since he's the better scorer than MKG?

[yosemiteben]

I proposed a Green for Henderson+Taylor+Neal+24+two 2nds deal on the T&T board.

You're giving up three players, two of which have been important role players on this team this season, and three draft picks for a S&T for Jeff Green? Seriously?

[HornetJail]

I proposed a Green for Henderson+Taylor+Neal+24+two 2nds deal on the T&T board.

You're giving up three players, two of which have been important role players on this team this season, and three draft picks for a S&T for Jeff Green? Seriously?

Who said it was a S&T? You know he's under contract right? And that those picks are garbage? 24 is the only decent one. Henderson is only decent, Neal is garbage, and Taylor is an athlete with a severe injury. I find Henderson, followed closely by the 24th pick, to be the only pieces with much value at all, and neither has the value of Jeff Green. Not even close.

[HornetJail]

Jeff Green wouldn't, or for a better use of words, 'shouldn't' start over MKG. If Green was that good, the Celtics wouldn't be a bottom feeder while he's in his prime with a All-Star caliber PG in Rajon Rondo

He'd be starting alongside him, I'd hope.

Rondo isn't anywhere close to an all-star in his current form. Green would be loads better here

[mrknowitall215]

Jeff Green wouldn't, or for a better use of words, 'shouldn't' start over MKG. If Green was that good, the Celtics wouldn't be a bottom feeder while he's in his prime with a All-Star caliber PG in Rajon Rondo

He'd be starting alongside him, I'd hope.

Rondo isn't anywhere close to an all-star in his current form. Green would be loads better here

I think the chance of MKG or Jeff Green --- both conventional/traditional small forwards --- is beyond the realm of flexibility for a coach as stern as Clifford to play either at the shooting guard position. Yes, we all believe that the SG/SF positions are interchangeable pending matchups, but I doubt that Clifford would be willing to bend that far. Personally, I think Green is better suited as a above average reserve at this point in his career. He has failed to display himself as a consistent scoring option that can carry a team of substance the way the Celtics expected when they signed him to his current contract, but that doesn't mean that he isn't a good player, just that you have to play him within his limits, similarly to how the Celtics used him as a reserve to spell both Pierce & Garnett as a hybrid forward (and the Thunder before them)

[HornetJail]

Jeff Green wouldn't, or for a better use of words, 'shouldn't' start over MKG. If Green was that good, the Celtics wouldn't be a bottom feeder while he's in his prime with a All-Star caliber PG in Rajon Rondo

He'd be starting alongside him, I'd hope.

Rondo isn't anywhere close to an all-star in his current form. Green would be loads better here

I think the chance of MKG or Jeff Green --- both conventional/traditional small forwards --- is beyond the realm of flexibility for a coach as stern as Clifford to play either at the shooting guard position.

How much of that is actually Clifford himself, or just him insisting on keeping the playbook simple and then expanding in future years. Something has to give eventually.

[mrknowitall215]

He'd be starting alongside him, I'd hope.

Rondo isn't anywhere close to an all-star in his current form. Green would be loads better here

I think the chance of MKG or Jeff Green --- both conventional/traditional small forwards --- is beyond the realm of flexibility for a coach as stern as Clifford to play either at the shooting guard position.

How much of that is actually Clifford himself, or just him insisting on keeping the playbook simple and then expanding in future years. Something has to give eventually.

Personally, I'd still prefer Jeff Green as a hybrid/change of pace forward off the bench similarly to how I view Thaddeus Young of the Sixers. Start CDR at shooting guard as the first sub out, and allow Green to get in where he fit in with his versatility from the SG to PF positions as a 6th man. The best kind of 6th man is the kind that can play & defend multiple positions (i.e. Manu Ginobili for the Spurs & Lamar Odom for the Lakers during their respective championship runs)

[JDR720]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-s ... 2014-2015/

list of every free agent

[BlackOutBuzz]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-salaries/nba-free-agents-2014-2015/

list of every free agent

Well hi Jordan Hamilton, did not know you were unrestricted. Welcome to my wish list.

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[yosemiteben]

I proposed a Green for Henderson+Taylor+Neal+24+two 2nds deal on the T&T board.

You're giving up three players, two of which have been important role players on this team this season, and three draft picks for a S&T for Jeff Green? Seriously?

Who said it was a S&T? You know he's under contract right? And that those picks are garbage? 24 is the only decent one. Henderson is only decent, Neal is garbage, and Taylor is an athlete with a severe injury. I find Henderson, followed closely by the 24th pick, to be the only pieces with much value at all, and neither has the value of Jeff Green. Not even close.

Oops, thought he had a player option for next year, read his contract info wrong.

I still strongly disagree with the value you're playing on him. His career numbers are extremely similar to the production we're getting from Henderson. I honestly don't think he has much more value.

I also think people are seriously underestimating Neal's value based on the game last night. He is not a trash player that merits dumping.