2014 Free Agency Thread

[mrknowitall215]

well if Lamb cant take the role of super 6th man over a 40 year old PG that kinda sucks something has to be wrong with him or Brooks is a class A moron

It's the latter. Brooks is indeed a "class A moron"

[Liver_Pooty]

What does Lamb bring? Hes a shooter? 35% from 3. a good defender? Maybe. Hes nothing special that we should be getting off about or be willing to give up anything of value for.

Says the guy who's adamant about bringing in Hayward after shooting 30% on 3-pointers for the season. Lamb made more 3-pointers than Hayward off the bench in limited minutes

Lol im not adamant about bring in freaking Hayward. Read above, I said we arent going to get him so hes a moot point. Don't put words in my mouth my man.

Lance Stephenson I would love to have. Im also content with Henderson. It isn't like we are starting some scrub at SG.

Edit: Would I like Hayward? Sure, but only signing him outright. No need to trade anything for him.

[mrknowitall215]

What does Lamb bring? Hes a shooter? 35% from 3. a good defender? Maybe. Hes nothing special that we should be getting off about or be willing to give up anything of value for.

Says the guy who's adamant about bringing in Hayward after shooting 30% on 3-pointers for the season. Lamb made more 3-pointers than Hayward off the bench in limited minutes

Lol im not adamant about bring in freaking Hayward. Read above, I said we arent going to get him so hes a moot point. Don't put words in my mouth my man.

Lance Stephenson I would love to have. Im also content with Henderson. It isn't like we are starting some scrub at SG.

I read your 'moot point' part, but I also remember you being high on Hayward beforehand. Maybe your fondness of Hayward has diminished recently after witnessing his struggles & inefficiencies in a bigger role, but I'm just going off my memory. Sorry if it came off as if I'm putting words in your mouth

[Liver_Pooty]

Says the guy who's adamant about bringing in Hayward after shooting 30% on 3-pointers for the season. Lamb made more 3-pointers than Hayward off the bench in limited minutes

Lol im not adamant about bring in freaking Hayward. Read above, I said we arent going to get him so hes a moot point. Don't put words in my mouth my man.

Lance Stephenson I would love to have. Im also content with Henderson. It isn't like we are starting some scrub at SG.

I read your 'moot point' part, but I also remember you being high on Hayward beforehand. Maybe your fondness of Hayward has diminished recently after witnessing his struggles & inefficiencies in a bigger role, but I'm just going off my memory. Sorry if it came off as if I'm putting words in your mouth

Lol eh you're fine. Im still high on Hayward, but only if we sign him outright at a reasonable deal. Hes a second option at best. Sorry if I came off a little aggressive.

[mrknowitall215]

Lol eh you're fine. Im still high on Hayward, but only if we sign him outright at a reasonable deal. Hes a second option at best. Sorry if I came off a little aggressive.

No offense taken

I agree that Lance Stephenson is probably the likely option considering things now, but we'll see how it unfolds. I wouldn't offer him anything above $8 million annually and 3 years tops

[mrknowitall215]

My ideal scenario based on what appear to be available would be...

Trade for SG Gerald Henderson & SF Jeff Taylor for SF Jeff Green (BOS)

Draft SG Zach LaVine at #24th overall with Portland owed 1st rounder

Sign PF/C Ed Davis (MEM) to a offer sheet worth $30 million/5 years, heavily front-loaded so that the Grizzlies won't match

Re-sign Chris Douglas-Roberts and Anthony Tolliver

Sign PG A.J. Price

Restructure Josh McRoberts contract to $13 million/3 years
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PG: Kemba Walker/A.J. Price
SG: Chris Douglas-Roberts/Zach LaVine/Gary Neal
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Jeff Green/Anthony Tolliver
PF: Josh McRoberts/Ed Davis/Cody Zeller
C: Al Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo

[HornetJail]

My ideal scenario based on what appear to be available would be...

Trade for SG Gerald Henderson & SF Jeff Taylor for SF Jeff Green (BOS)

Draft SG Zach LaVine at #24th overall with Portland owed 1st rounder

Sign PF/C Ed Davis (MEM) to a offer sheet worth $30 million/5 years, heavily front-loaded so that the Grizzlies won't match

Re-sign Chris Douglas-Roberts and Anthony Tolliver

Sign PG A.J. Price

Restructure Josh McRoberts contract to $13 million/3 years
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PG: Kemba Walker/A.J. Price
SG: Chris Douglas-Roberts/Zach LaVine/Gary Neal
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Jeff Green/Anthony Tolliver
PF: Josh McRoberts/Ed Davis/Cody Zeller
C: Al Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo

Perfect, minus the severe overpay for Ed Davis. Even if that 1st year is like 12M and each of the other years is 4.5M that's still too much. AJ Price is kinda useless too

[mrknowitall215]

Perfect, minus the severe overpay for Ed Davis. Even if that 1st year is like 12M and each of the other years is 4.5M that's still too much.

The overpay is to help Charlotte reach the salary cap floor as well as prevent Memphis from matching. I would hate to see the Hornets re-brand kickstarted by overpaying for a shooting guard like Lance Stephenson that may ruin the great team morale that they already have. I view the Davis deal almost like a 1-year deal for financial responsibilities. I believe that they can stay put, and possibly make a trade using the Detroit 1st rounder to net the shooting guard that they need moving forward --- if LaVine isn't the answer. Also, Ed Davis is the defensive-minded PF that could play spot minutes with Jefferson, as well as young enough to succeed him in another 3-5 years with Biyombo

[HornetJail]

Perfect, minus the severe overpay for Ed Davis. Even if that 1st year is like 12M and each of the other years is 4.5M that's still too much.

The overpay is to help Charlotte reach the salary cap floor as well as prevent Memphis from matching. I would hate to see the Hornets re-brand kickstarted by overpaying for a shooting guard like Lance Stephenson that may ruin the great team morale that they already have. I view the Davis deal almost like a 1-year deal for financial responsibilities. I believe that they can stay put, and possibly make a trade using the Detroit 1st rounder to net the shooting guard that they need moving forward. Also, Ed Davis is the defensive-minded PF that could play spot minutes with Jefferson, as well as young enough to succeed him in another 3-5 years with Biyombo

Reach the salary floor? We'd be at the salary floor before the deal. Giving Ed Davis a bad contract is worse.

[mrknowitall215]

Perfect, minus the severe overpay for Ed Davis. Even if that 1st year is like 12M and each of the other years is 4.5M that's still too much.

The overpay is to help Charlotte reach the salary cap floor as well as prevent Memphis from matching. I would hate to see the Hornets re-brand kickstarted by overpaying for a shooting guard like Lance Stephenson that may ruin the great team morale that they already have. I view the Davis deal almost like a 1-year deal for financial responsibilities. I believe that they can stay put, and possibly make a trade using the Detroit 1st rounder to net the shooting guard that they need moving forward. Also, Ed Davis is the defensive-minded PF that could play spot minutes with Jefferson, as well as young enough to succeed him in another 3-5 years with Biyombo

Reach the salary floor? We'd be at the salary floor before the deal. Giving Ed Davis a bad contract is worse.

I think I stated it wrong. Charlotte has to spend some money this offseason with their cap space, and that's where the front-load of Davis' contract come into play instead of paying $10-12 million for a shooting guard of consequence. Paying Davis theoretically $6 million annually for 5 years isn't necessarily a overpay if you ask me

[BigSlam]

any love for going after swaggy p?

Dude - are you advocating for a player like Nick Young?

**** me.

Hell might have just frozen over...

[MasterIchiro]

Lance cost money alone.

Hayward costs money and talent in the form of players or picks.

I think it's a no-brainer.

This team has several holes. The main one is we need a 3rd option and Lance is the best 3rd option out there for money alone. And he's 23. He can grow with Kemba, MKG, Zeller, the player we take with the Blazers pick and the player we select with the Pistons pick. It could be a really strong group of young players to watch mesh for a very long time. Clifford is solid. The culture is solid.

Actually depending on what Utah would match Hayward costs money alone too.

If they don't match they lose him for nothing. If they match they can keep him or do a sign & trade. They have plenty of cap space to not lose him for nothing, so I assume they will match. If we end up with him on a match, it's through a sign & trade.

Quite simple.

[MasterIchiro]

Put another way, although possible, it's far fetched to assume we will be able to sign Gordon Hayward outright with Utah forfeiting him for nothing.

If that happens it's because we overpayed grossly and at that point you have to look back at Lance Stephenson's price tag.

As Mr. KIA said, Lance Stephenson is the most realistic target.

I like the idea of trading Henderson + Neal for Jeff Green as well, tidy up the bench a little and really push MKG at the SF position.

I think it's more realistic that Napier is there at 24 and LaVine goes much earlier.

I also think Cody Zeller's late emergence will give them hesitation to spending on the PF position so Ed Davis won't happen imo. They like the fit with McRoberts as well.

Kemba/Napier
Stephenson/CDR
MKG/Green
Zeller/McRoberts
Jefferson/Biyombo

Pistons top-1 protected pick

[MasterIchiro]

Also, and this probably belongs in another thread but I'm commenting on Liverpooty's quotes about Duke not caring about UConn.

UConn cares about Duke.

I'm going to come right out and say that I hate Duke. Before UNC fans click their little fairy heels, I hate you too. You are a balloon of hype in this neck of the woods. It makes me nauseous. Neither of you are Ivy League, just a reminder. You will always be hicks to me

Duke started with the Laettner buzzer beater. I cried. Nobody wants to get beat by Vanilla Ice's softer, clumsier twin. In 1999, my uncle recorded UConn's first national championship (over Duke) on VHS (at the time). I rejoiced like any other CT native would during the win, but on that VHS tape I was able to pick out nuances I missed first time around in the heat of the moment. There was a moment where the cameras caught Coach K's wife in the background in meltdown mode, tears welling up, the expression of a woman who lost a puppy to oncoming traffic.

I can't tell you how many times I made my uncle rewind that clip. I derived more satisfaction from her devastation than from the UConn player's jubilee at the conclusion. My uncle said I was sick but he couldn't help but chuckle either. The revenge was delicious, like when the bad guy dies in a movie. It tickles you and you want to see it again. For many, it's your favorite part.

I hate hate HATE Duke with all my heart and Coach K will always be a big time flamer in my book.

We're not even yet.

[BigSlam]

Also, and this probably belongs in another thread.....

correct

[BeesWax]

Lance cost money alone.

Hayward costs money and talent in the form of players or picks.

I think it's a no-brainer.

This team has several holes. The main one is we need a 3rd option and Lance is the best 3rd option out there for money alone. And he's 23. He can grow with Kemba, MKG, Zeller, the player we take with the Blazers pick and the player we select with the Pistons pick. It could be a really strong group of young players to watch mesh for a very long time. Clifford is solid. The culture is solid.

Actually depending on what Utah would match Hayward costs money alone too.

If they don't match they lose him for nothing. If they match they can keep him or do a sign & trade. They have plenty of cap space to not lose him for nothing, so I assume they will match. If we end up with him on a match, it's through a sign & trade.

Quite simple.

Not quite simple because if they do match they have to pay him what we offer and they may not want that. They have to have seen he is a complimentary player by not and they have nobody for him to compliment. He helps us a lot and helps them very little right now. The team I would be more worried about it the Suns.

[BeesWax]

Put another way, although possible, it's far fetched to assume we will be able to sign Gordon Hayward outright with Utah forfeiting him for nothing.

If that happens it's because we overpayed grossly and at that point you have to look back at Lance Stephenson's price tag.

As Mr. KIA said, Lance Stephenson is the most realistic target.

I like the idea of trading Henderson + Neal for Jeff Green as well, tidy up the bench a little and really push MKG at the SF position.

I think it's more realistic that Napier is there at 24 and LaVine goes much earlier.

I also think Cody Zeller's late emergence will give them hesitation to spending on the PF position so Ed Davis won't happen imo. They like the fit with McRoberts as well.

Kemba/Napier
Stephenson/CDR
MKG/Green
Zeller/McRoberts
Jefferson/Biyombo

Pistons top-1 protected pick

Mcroberts would still start in that lineup. I would hate to have Stephenson come in and ruin this team in the last year we have Jefferson.

Also Napier is not going to be a good pick for us. Although I am not sure LaVine is either. We need people that help us now not guys we hope can play in years or only get 10 minutes as a back up.

[They_Them_Hatin]

Scott Brooks is an idiot but I still don't want lamb, stephenson or over pay Hayward . I would love to overpay Klay Thompson next year or try to trade for him because I don't think Lacob will overpay and he doesn't care about fan favorites but I doubt he lets him walk for nothing.

[BeesWax]

Scott Brooks is an idiot but I still don't want lamb, stephenson or over pay Hayward . I would love to overpay Klay Thompson next year or try to trade for him because I don't think Lacob will overpay and he doesn't care about fan favorites but I doubt he lets him walk for nothing.

I think Lacob just said he was keeping Thompson at all costs. This means one of two things. He is going to keep him at all costs or he is setting up himself to rob someone in trade.

[MasterIchiro]

Actually depending on what Utah would match Hayward costs money alone too.

If they don't match they lose him for nothing. If they match they can keep him or do a sign & trade. They have plenty of cap space to not lose him for nothing, so I assume they will match. If we end up with him on a match, it's through a sign & trade.

Quite simple.

Not quite simple because if they do match they have to pay him what we offer and they may not want that. They have to have seen he is a complimentary player by not and they have nobody for him to compliment. He helps us a lot and helps them very little right now. The team I would be more worried about it the Suns.

If they do match they most definitely don't necessarily have to pay him provided they can find a market for him in a sign and trade. And if they're matching at a price they don't prefer then that means other teams like the Suns and/or Hornets bid high, thus indicating a healthy market for him.

It's highly unlikely we get Hayward for money alone and if we do, the cost in money alone will be so high you have to look back at Lance Stephenson at a much lower price.