The Trade Thread

[Neptune]

Would you trade Monroe for Hibbert? lol

Definitely no. We already have Drummond

8, & Jennings for Lawson

No

[MrBigShot]

Would you trade Monroe for Hibbert? lol

I have to assume you have a plan to move Drummond, because those guys aren't playing together. Good Lawd.

I was joking, but if the option came up to do it, I'd rather have a defensive center in Hibbert making 14 mil for 2 years than Monroe making 14 mil for 4 years, so I probably would do it and just bring Hibbert off the bench.

He could play with Drummond though, defensively, no doubt. Because Dre can guard away from the basket and wouldn't have to worry about leaving the paint unprotected with Hibbert there. They could actually form a devastating defensive combo. Offensively it would be tough though to play them together.

I don't want Monroe to be making max money either, but Hibbert makes Monroe look like Charles Oakley. People throw around the term soft when describing Moose, but Hibbert is averaging 5 rebounds a game while shooting 28% currently in the playoffs. That efficiency is terrible for anybody, and even more so for a 7'2 bigman.

[Q00]

I have to assume you have a plan to move Drummond, because those guys aren't playing together. Good Lawd.

I was joking, but if the option came up to do it, I'd rather have a defensive center in Hibbert making 14 mil for 2 years than Monroe making 14 mil for 4 years, so I probably would do it and just bring Hibbert off the bench.

He could play with Drummond though, defensively, no doubt. Because Dre can guard away from the basket and wouldn't have to worry about leaving the paint unprotected with Hibbert there. They could actually form a devastating defensive combo. Offensively it would be tough though to play them together.

I don't want Monroe to be making max money either, but Hibbert makes Monroe look like Charles Oakley. People throw around the term soft when describing Moose, but Hibbert is averaging 5 rebounds a game while shooting 28% currently in the playoffs. That efficiency is terrible for anybody, and even more so for a 7'2 bigman.

His paint protection is more valuable than anything Monroe does in my opinion. Hibbert is the type of player where stats don't measure the impact he has. He's been in a slump lately no doubt, but he's still one of the best defensive bigs in the league, and we need defense more than scoring on this team. His lack of rebounds would be a non issue too because of Drummond getting everything.

A Monroe-Hibbert trade would probably never happen, but I could see the Pacers shopping him this summer and looking for a big in return to replace him. And being that we may be in position to have to take whatever we can get for Monroe, you never know. I'd consider taking Hibbert for a few years over getting nothing for Monroe.

[DBC10]

I have to assume you have a plan to move Drummond, because those guys aren't playing together. Good Lawd.

I was joking, but if the option came up to do it, I'd rather have a defensive center in Hibbert making 14 mil for 2 years than Monroe making 14 mil for 4 years, so I probably would do it and just bring Hibbert off the bench.

He could play with Drummond though, defensively, no doubt. Because Dre can guard away from the basket and wouldn't have to worry about leaving the paint unprotected with Hibbert there. They could actually form a devastating defensive combo. Offensively it would be tough though to play them together.

I don't want Monroe to be making max money either, but Hibbert makes Monroe look like Charles Oakley. People throw around the term soft when describing Moose, but Hibbert is averaging 5 rebounds a game while shooting 28% currently in the playoffs. That efficiency is terrible for anybody, and even more so for a 7'2 bigman.

With the way Hibbert has been part of the cancer in Indy, I can see his agent (Monroe's and Roy's) being slightly less aggressive with throwing the term, "Max" around to other teams. Hibbert went from all-star defensive (and only defense nothing else of value) player pre All-star break to post all-star break failure.

The guy can't rebound, can't buy blocks despite over 7' right now, and is a mental midget that can't take a slight bit of criticism or attention without cowering. The fact that his "defense" is being monitored even more heavily by the refs/league because of his stupid "verticality" skill that he used to his advantage no longer works, he's effectively useless in a league where small ball is becoming much more than a fad. He's honestly been exposed.

This is the reality, this "all-star" bigman (a travesty, I might add) is likely one of the first players to go from the Pacers. That's pretty telling.

[coolness]

Smoove/8th for Crash/5th...

I HATE this trade. It keeps coming up. the 5th-8th picks are on the same tier basically. The 8th makes less, so you even have one mathematical incentive to stay at 8th. I think people just don't want to be left with Aaron Gordon. That's fine. I can understand that. He could surprise, but he still doesn't look like the best fit here. There is always trading back though. Or 3-teaming with Charlotte to get our pick back and a later pick for the 8th.

Then there is Smoove for Crash...
Smoove RIGHT NOW AT THIS MOMENT might be worth more than expirings to the right team. Crash? Hell no!
Smoove might bounce back to become worth more than expirings to the right team. Crash? Hell no!

[Bakuto]

Smoove/8th for Crash/5th...

I HATE this trade. It keeps coming up. the 5th-8th picks are on the same tier basically. The 8th makes less, so you even have one mathematical incentive to stay at 8th. I think people just don't want to be left with Aaron Gordon. That's fine. I can understand that. He could surprise, but he still doesn't look like the best fit here. There is always trading back though. Or 3-teaming with Charlotte to get our pick back and a later pick for the 8th.

Then there is Smoove for Crash...
Smoove RIGHT NOW AT THIS MOMENT might be worth more than expirings to the right team. Crash? Hell no!
Smoove might bounce back to become worth more than expirings to the right team. Crash? Hell no!

The thing is that one of Smart or Exum would definitely be at 5.

The tiers don't matter when there's a clear need, and if a very good answer to that need would available three picks ahead in the tier.

[coolness]

Smoove/8th for Crash/5th...

I HATE this trade. It keeps coming up. the 5th-8th picks are on the same tier basically. The 8th makes less, so you even have one mathematical incentive to stay at 8th. I think people just don't want to be left with Aaron Gordon. That's fine. I can understand that. He could surprise, but he still doesn't look like the best fit here. There is always trading back though. Or 3-teaming with Charlotte to get our pick back and a later pick for the 8th.

Then there is Smoove for Crash...
Smoove RIGHT NOW AT THIS MOMENT might be worth more than expirings to the right team. Crash? Hell no!
Smoove might bounce back to become worth more than expirings to the right team. Crash? Hell no!

The thing is that one of Smart or Exum would definitely be at 5.

The tiers don't matter when there's a clear need, and if a very good answer to that need would available three picks ahead in the tier.

If Exum is there, that would be enticing. But why would he be there if red flags don't come up through the evaluation process? I mean he should be picked 4th. And I mean that Smart isn't worth a move like this.

BUT...just my opinion. Not even my opinion. Just my IMPRESSION of things at the moment.

I still find the Smoove/Crash part painful, because Crash is clearly 2 more years of deadweight. At least he expires when Drummond gets maxed. But that seems more like an owner strategy than a fan wish.

[DCintheD]

Josh Smith and cash to Phoenix for Channing Frye and #27

[Neptune]

Josh Smith and cash to Phoenix for Channing Frye and #27

Put Marcus Morris in that deal then lets talk

[Defor]

I'd trade Josh Smith to Phoenix for the 27th and a desert cactus, if we could make the money work.

[coolness]

Josh Smith and cash to Phoenix for Channing Frye and #27

Certainly.

But it's easy to see how it doesn't fit for Phoenix. Smoove could play next to Frye if necessary, but the Morris brothers? Phoenix has so many options for transactions. They have to be the team with the most interesting potential off-season. Maybe they could move the Morris brothers. I'm not sure how either of them look at sf. I just know that one of them is a top-notch post-scorer and both played well. Maybe like Carl Landry with more skill/speed or something. #arm-chairscout

I do agree that Smoove can help any team that he FITS on.

[coolness]

Atl out: 15th pick
Atl in: Bynum, 36th, 38th, 6 future 2nd's
Why? possible 3 rotation players for possible 1. And future 2nd's. note: works in trade-checker

Det out: Siva, Bynum, Mitchell, 38th pick, next 6 2nd's
Det in: 15th pick
Why? don't wait, try for a gem at 15. good chance at getting best player in the trade. shed salary.

Mil out: 36th pick (via LAL)
Mil in: Siva, Mitchell
Why? 2-for-1. Siva > Mitchell to whoever was watching. *opinion* note: works in trade-checker

[coolness]

Detroit/Utah

Jennings, Jerebko, Smoove, DRUMMOND
for
4th pick, Burke, Gobert

Why for Detroit?
DRUMMOND can only haunt from the West.
salary...salary...salary...using DRUMMOND is the only way to undo Smennings while getting something.
can't trade Monroe anymore and still get value
depth and youth.
round 2 for free agency and trades to get a group that fits each other.

Why for Utah?
DRUMMOND


follow-up: 4-teamer Cha/Chi/Pho. offer 4th and 8th for 2 mid-1st's, 2mid-1st's and 1st returned.

note: criticize the trade(s), not the fact that the Utah trade would be finalized after July 1st.
p.p.s: Utah could get 2 mid-1st's and our pick back for us for 4th. we trade 8th for other 2 mid-1st's.

[Neptune]

Atl out: 15th pick
Atl in: Bynum, 36th, 38th, 6 future 2nd's
Why? possible 3 rotation players for possible 1. And future 2nd's. note: works in trade-checker

Det out: Siva, Bynum, Mitchell, 38th pick, next 6 2nd's
Det in: 15th pick
Why? don't wait, try for a gem at 15. good chance at getting best player in the trade. shed salary.

Mil out: 36th pick (via LAL)
Mil in: Siva, Mitchell
Why? 2-for-1. Siva > Mitchell to whoever was watching. *opinion* note: works in trade-checker

Haha, that's a lot bro. Yes, I'll do it though.

Detroit/Utah

Jennings, Jerebko, Smoove, DRUMMOND
for
4th pick, Burke, Gobert

Why for Detroit?
DRUMMOND can only haunt from the West.
salary...salary...salary...using DRUMMOND is the only way to undo Smennings while getting something.
can't trade Monroe anymore and still get value
depth and youth.
round 2 for free agency and trades to get a group that fits each other.

Why for Utah?
DRUMMOND


follow-up: 4-teamer Cha/Chi/Pho. offer 4th and 8th for 2 mid-1st's, 2mid-1st's and 1st returned.

note: criticize the trade(s), not the fact that the Utah trade would be finalized after July 1st.
p.p.s: Utah could get 2 mid-1st's and our pick back for us for 4th. we trade 8th for other 2 mid-1st's.

No

[MotownMadness]

Detroit/Utah

Jennings, Jerebko, Smoove, DRUMMOND
for
4th pick, Burke, Gobert

Why for Detroit?
DRUMMOND can only haunt from the West.
salary...salary...salary...using DRUMMOND is the only way to undo Smennings while getting something.
can't trade Monroe anymore and still get value
depth and youth.
round 2 for free agency and trades to get a group that fits each other.

Why for Utah?
DRUMMOND


follow-up: 4-teamer Cha/Chi/Pho. offer 4th and 8th for 2 mid-1st's, 2mid-1st's and 1st returned.

note: criticize the trade(s), not the fact that the Utah trade would be finalized after July 1st.
p.p.s: Utah could get 2 mid-1st's and our pick back for us for 4th. we trade 8th for other 2 mid-1st's.

Were not trading Drummond for a bunch of average crap. Drummond was like a gift from the basketball gods for us because he has that superstar potential as a player. And you keep trying to come up with trade scenarios to trade him for average players to build a treadmill Atlanta Hawks squad. You have to have a superstar to win and Drummond is the closest thing weve had to that in a while and hes only 20 years old.

[coolness]

Were not trading Drummond for a bunch of average crap. Drummond was like a gift from the basketball gods for us because he has that superstar potential as a player. And you keep trying to come up with trade scenarios to trade him for average players to build a treadmill Atlanta Hawks squad. You have to have a superstar to win and Drummond is the closest thing weve had to that in a while and hes only 20 years old.

I agree with what you said about Drummond.

And agree with the spirit of your idea. *shrug*

But here we sit with Smennings, who LOSE games for us, an upcoming 1st gone, very meh flexibility, and our depth is sub-par.

And here we sit on a treadmill of the 15th (on a HORRIBLE playoff team) 7th, 8th, 9th, 8th, 8th picks.

And as Pistons fans, we know how a team can jump to the playoffs, to the ECF, to world champs, keep going deep in the playoffs, and with great depth and the only superstar having an asterisk.
*Big Ben's offense was world-class suckage.

EDIT: the Pistons were a 1st round exit team for several years with a superstar, Grant Hill, but the brilliant (or lucky accident) roster that went elite was SOOOO different. Lucky for us.

[MotownMadness]

Were not trading Drummond for a bunch of average crap. Drummond was like a gift from the basketball gods for us because he has that superstar potential as a player. And you keep trying to come up with trade scenarios to trade him for average players to build a treadmill Atlanta Hawks squad. You have to have a superstar to win and Drummond is the closest thing weve had to that in a while and hes only 20 years old.

I agree with what you said about Drummond.

And agree with the spirit of your idea. *shrug*

But here we sit with Smennings, who LOSE games for us, an upcoming 1st gone, very meh flexibility, and our depth is sub-par.

And here we sit on a treadmill of the 15th (on a HORRIBLE playoff team) 7th, 8th, 9th, 8th, 8th picks.

And as Pistons fans, we know how a team can jump to the playoffs, to the ECF, to world champs, keep going deep in the playoffs, and with great depth and the only superstar having an asterisk.
*Big Ben's offense was world-class suckage.

EDIT: the Pistons were a 1st round exit team for several years with a superstar, Grant Hill, but the brilliant (or lucky accident) roster that went elite was SOOOO different. Lucky for us.

Your not going to recreate that 04 squad. That was a series of trades, chemistry and guys like Wallace developing into game changers. You dont want to trade star players or young players with the potential of Drummonds to try and recreate the 04 squad because 9/10 times your just going to end up like the Hawks. Also I am not trading Drummond just to get rid of JJennings or Smith. I can wait two more seasons for them to leave instead of trading away a 20 year old franchise player just to make the playoffs.

[coolness]

Point taken, Motown Madness.

Agree to disagree.

I hate watching the Pistons now. If my fanboy trades happened, I would love watching the Pistons. Nobody would be as exciting as Drummond. But Drummond currently is like a pair of silk boxers while Smennings are shart remains and there is no public restroom. Give me some clean, lesser underwear, a shower, and some other nice clothes.

[MotownMadness]

Point taken, Motown Madness.

Agree to disagree.

I hate watching the Pistons now. If my fanboy trades happened, I would love watching the Pistons. Nobody would be as exciting as Drummond. But Drummond currently is like a pair of silk boxers while Smennings are shart remains and there is no public restroom. Give me some clean, lesser underwear, a shower, and some other nice clothes.

Its frustrating right now with Smith and Jennings. But either way they will be out of here in a few seasons were Dre is here for at the least the next 7 seasons. Dumars set us back a couple years again but a new GM with some common sense should be able to get us back on track. Also if we were to trade Drummond I would want the Wiggins or Parker and not Burke, Gobert and a 4th pick. We arent LA where we can bring in top FAs to play with that crap so getting a top talent in the draft like Drummond is about as lucky as we could possibly get.

[tmorgan]

Drummond HAS to stay.

It's not that there aren't guys out there that would help us win more games right now -- there are PLENTY -- but when you have a nice kid with extreme talent and he's a potential superstar, you can't let him go. Drummond may crest as a 17/13 guy with good-but-not-great defense, but when that's your floor, you have to roll the dice and hope for more.

He'll sell merch, he'll sell tickets, he'll be good as the face of the franchise in a couple of years once he's matured a bit more. He loves social media, he's not a grouch, there's really nothing more you could ask for from a business perspective.