Sterling banned for life from the NBA (P. 40)

[ash_k]

Anyway there are lot of 'Underground racism' in Canada and the US, no surprises here.
Ok so Sterling got setup by the woman and probably exaggerated some of his true feelings.

No choice for the League's image but to force him out, no choice...

I AM SURE HE IS NOT THE ONLY OWNER in the NBA THAT FEELS THIS WAY! But business first of course!

[VanDamme]

Sterling is not Israeli and has little connection with Israel himself.

To state that "he shares a thought process many Israelis hold" is making the same kind of inherent stereotypical generalizations that Sterling made about African Americans and Hispanics.

He justified his racism by stating the environment in Israel which has long had an issue regarding the treatment of Black people. You can sweep this under the rug if you'd like but there is a problem in Israel. I will not argue this further as this can derail the thread.

He justified his racism in many different ways and none of them made any sense.

There is a problem of discrimination in Israel just like there is a discrimination problem in nearly every country that exists today.

It is not institutionalized against blacks and it is not part of the law as you mistakenly made earlier. The country has a separation of powers system under a parliamentary government that provides equality under the law and the ability to fight discrimination in court.

To assert these claims simply on a statement made by Sterling is making the same kind of stereotypical generalizations about minorities.

Sorry I missed where Inevitable mentions anything about it being institutionalized or part of the law in Israel. What did I miss? I looked back 3 pages...

If you take that sentence out from your response it seems you both agree there is a problem of discrimination in Israel. And it seems you both also agree that it's unfortunate that past racism and discrimination having impacted Jewish communities has not resulted in Sterling and others being better than this. That's all Inevitable seems to have said but he got responded to so negatively and got compared to Sterling.

Edit:

There is a problem of discrimination in Israel just like there is a discrimination problem in nearly every country that exists today.

What was your point here? It sounds a lot like the posters who are pointing out Sterling isn't the only racist around... like somehow that makes it better or any less of a problem?

[carlosey]

Sterling is a flat out racist with money. Its clear he trully thinks this way. A privileged racist person like many others in the US.

It also seems to me his gf was baiting him for a while to get him on record knowing how he would reply.

[VanDamme]

Sterling is a flat out racist with money. Its clear he trully thinks this way. A privileged racist person like many others in the US.

It also seems to me his gf was baiting him for a while to get him on record knowing how he would reply.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt45cHbudv4[/youtube]

[Tofubeque]

I can't believe the number of posts I've seen derailing this issue by talking about his girlfriend.

Who she is, what her motivations are, and what their relationship is like DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is if the words on the tape came out of his mouth. Baiting? Give me a break. She wasn't holding a gun to his head. He wasn't under duress. He made his comments freely and in line with how they would come out in a plausible conversation. What's more, they're totally characteristic of him given his entire history of racism as an NBA owner.

It's insulting that this guy wasn't ousted years ago. Hopefully it happens this time.

[C Court]

I can't believe the number of posts I've seen derailing this issue by talking about his girlfriend.

Who she is, what her motivations are, and what their relationship is like DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is if the words on the tape came out of his mouth. Baiting? Give me a break. She wasn't holding a gun to his head. He wasn't under duress. He made his comments freely and in line with how they would come out in a plausible conversation. What's more, they're totally characteristic of him given his entire history of racism as an NBA owner.

It's insulting that this guy wasn't ousted years ago. Hopefully it happens this time.

Exactly.

In fact, it's reported that Sterling knew he was bring recorded.

Donald Sterling was AWARE he was being taped during the conversation that was posted on TMZ
Sports, in which the L.A. Clippers owner went on a racial rant ... so claims the woman who taped him.

A source connected with V. Stiviano tells TMZ Sports ... the full conversation lasted approximately 1 hour. We're told Stiviano insists it was clear to Sterling at the beginning of the conversation he was being recorded.
What's more ... our sources say Stiviano routinely recorded her conversations with Sterling as HIS "archivist." And what's more ... she would regularly play the tapes back to him because he would often forget what he had said.

Our sources say sometime after the tape was recorded on April 9 ... Stiviano and Sterling got in an argument because he wanted her to sign a confidentiality agreement ... which she would not. We're told he then denied ever making the racist statements on the tape, so she played the entire tape for back him

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/27/donald-st ... z307lYCczb

[cammac]

Basically this comes down to one thing and one thing only.
Donald Sterling's comment no matter how obtained or for what ever reason by another person.
Exhibited himself without doubt as a racist and this racist happens to own a basketball team that is mostly black and in a league that is mostly black.
Really those are the facts whatever repercussions that happen are totally on him.

The only sad thing is that when he is forced to sell the Clippers which he will be he will reap a exorbitant profit from the sale.

Please don't start bringing religion into this discussion because it will open another huge can of worms.

[rove]

So Kenny "The Jet" Smith was commenting on TNT last night about this and then 2 minutes later is calling Shaq "Blackie Chan" live on the air, about 3 or 4 times...the cognitive dissonance was remarkable.

It never occurred to me until you mentioned it. This coming from the Shaq who made fun of Yao.

[carlosey]

I can't believe the number of posts I've seen derailing this issue by talking about his girlfriend.

Who she is, what her motivations are, and what their relationship is like DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is if the words on the tape came out of his mouth. Baiting? Give me a break. She wasn't holding a gun to his head. He wasn't under duress. He made his comments freely and in line with how they would come out in a plausible conversation. What's more, they're totally characteristic of him given his entire history of racism as an NBA owner.

It's insulting that this guy wasn't ousted years ago. Hopefully it happens this time.

No one can defend sterlings comments really. He got nailed saying some stupid ****. He'll get suspended by the NBA The part that sucks is that hes been a horrible owner that will be forced to sell at basically the best moment of the franchise so he walks out with big cash anyway.

Stiviano being sued earlier by sterlings wife is an iteresting angle too. Shes a gold digger of course, but my curiousity is what she is looking to gain.

[hell_razor]

a little blown out of proportion imo...the girl tried to bait him hard before he spilled out all this crap
but yeah the guy is 80 years old..grew up in a era where everyone was racist, can't blame him

[VanDamme]

a little blown out of proportion imo...the girl tried to bait him hard before he spilled out all this crap
but yeah the guy is 80 years old..grew up in a era where everyone was racist, can't blame him

Hypothetically, if he was 80 years old.. grew up in an era where everyone was a rapist(or insert different example), and continued to act like one today, would you still say the same thing?

[JV4MVP]

[Danny1616]

He justified his racism by stating the environment in Israel which has long had an issue regarding the treatment of Black people. You can sweep this under the rug if you'd like but there is a problem in Israel. I will not argue this further as this can derail the thread.

He justified his racism in many different ways and none of them made any sense.

There is a problem of discrimination in Israel just like there is a discrimination problem in nearly every country that exists today.

It is not institutionalized against blacks and it is not part of the law as you mistakenly made earlier. The country has a separation of powers system under a parliamentary government that provides equality under the law and the ability to fight discrimination in court.

To assert these claims simply on a statement made by Sterling is making the same kind of stereotypical generalizations about minorities.

Sorry I missed where Inevitable mentions anything about it being institutionalized or part of the law in Israel. What did I miss? I looked back 3 pages...

If you take that sentence out from your response it seems you both agree there is a problem of discrimination in Israel. And it seems you both also agree that it's unfortunate that past racism and discrimination having impacted Jewish communities has not resulted in Sterling and others being better than this. That's all Inevitable seems to have said but he got responded to so negatively and got compared to Sterling.

Edit:

There is a problem of discrimination in Israel just like there is a discrimination problem in nearly every country that exists today.

What was your point here? It sounds a lot like the posters who are pointing out Sterling isn't the only racist around... like somehow that makes it better or any less of a problem?

He did say it earlier.

You just made an inverted argument. My point was that Sterling is a nut and a strict exception of the Jewish community. The fact that statistically speaking, the majority of Jews are emphatically liberal and have supported the democratic party in large numbers in nearly every election in the past hundred years is a testament to that. Moreover, Jews were disproportionally involved in the civil rights movement in the 1960s and stood side by side with African Americans in protest against the American government.

To make generalizations about Jews based on the actions of one individual is simply skewed.

That would be like me saying that African Americans have not learned about their past because Louis Farrakhan is an anti-Semite.

[Bankai]

Investigation concludes that Sterling said that due to outside influences such as the Raptors organization, therefore Toronto must forfeit their draft picks and only be allowed to have a roster of 6 players for the next 5 years. We are expecting Masai Ujiri's apology within the coming days. Sterling will be given as much time as he wants to lay low after this heinous act by the North.

[JV4MVP]

You just made an inverted argument. My point was that Sterling is a nut and a strict exception of the Jewish community. The fact that statistically speaking, the majority of Jews are emphatically liberal and have supported the democratic party in large numbers in nearly every election in the past hundred years is a testament to that. Moreover, Jews were disproportionally involved in the civil rights movement in the 1960s and stood side by side with African Americans in protest against the American government.

To make generalizations about Jews based on the actions of one individual is simply skewed.

That would be like me saying that African Americans have not learned about their past because Louis Farrakhan is an anti-Semite.

Jewish people are like the least likely group in American culture to marry outside of their religion. Indian ppl may be close. I work in NY and a majority of my friends are Jewish, including a few fairly conservative ones. They're not racist but they would under no circumstances wed a non-Jewish girl.

Every culture has it's reasons for preferring x culture.

[VanDamme]

He justified his racism in many different ways and none of them made any sense.

There is a problem of discrimination in Israel just like there is a discrimination problem in nearly every country that exists today.

It is not institutionalized against blacks and it is not part of the law as you mistakenly made earlier. The country has a separation of powers system under a parliamentary government that provides equality under the law and the ability to fight discrimination in court.

To assert these claims simply on a statement made by Sterling is making the same kind of stereotypical generalizations about minorities.

Sorry I missed where Inevitable mentions anything about it being institutionalized or part of the law in Israel. What did I miss? I looked back 3 pages...

If you take that sentence out from your response it seems you both agree there is a problem of discrimination in Israel. And it seems you both also agree that it's unfortunate that past racism and discrimination having impacted Jewish communities has not resulted in Sterling and others being better than this. That's all Inevitable seems to have said but he got responded to so negatively and got compared to Sterling.

Edit:

There is a problem of discrimination in Israel just like there is a discrimination problem in nearly every country that exists today.

What was your point here? It sounds a lot like the posters who are pointing out Sterling isn't the only racist around... like somehow that makes it better or any less of a problem?

He did say it earlier.

You just made an inverted argument. My point was that Sterling is a nut and a strict exception of the Jewish community. The fact that statistically speaking, the majority of Jews are emphatically liberal and have supported the democratic party in large numbers in nearly every election in the past hundred years is a testament to that. Moreover, Jews were disproportionally involved in the civil rights movement in the 1960s and stood side by side with African Americans in protest against the American government.

To make generalizations about Jews based on the actions of one individual is simply skewed.

That would be like me saying that African Americans have not learned about their past because Louis Farrakhan is an anti-Semite.

I'll say it again. I'm not seeing him say this, and especially not in the past few pages even though you've attacked him like he said this which is unfair and comparing him to Sterling is even worse. Your last statement is not equivalent to what he said because he was referencing only the "bad apples" in the statement you're attacking him over (quoted below). You keep painting him in this negative light and I'm not sure where this is coming from.

To state that "he shares a thought process many Israelis hold" is making the same kind of inherent stereotypical generalizations that Sterling made about African Americans and Hispanics.

You already acknowledged that unfortunately Israel has a discrimination problem.

There is a problem of discrimination in Israel ...

Which is what Inevitable said.

So unfortunately, Sterling shares this quality with some number of people from Israel and for whatever reason is using those bad apples as an example in how to conduct himself here in the States, according to his own words.

You're defending a position that doesn't look like it was attacked. I understand this is off-topic but it's an unfair attack on a poster in my opinion.

Edit:

That would be like me saying that African Americans have not learned about their past because Louis Farrakhan is an anti-Semite.

... No, this is not equivalent to what he said. Contrary to your response, he did not put all of Israel in one group, or all people of Jewish faith in one group like you did with African Americans in your statement.

[Suga2Panda]

This is why I respect the Charles Barkley's of the world. They say how they see the world and don't sugar coat some political correctness that everyone would have inevitably been guilty of breaching if all of their private conversations were recorded and broadcasted publically.

I'm all for political incorrectness, but even I realize there are limits. If everyone was unfiltered, society would implode.

People in western society act like they are blind to inevitable bias against culture, age, race, sex, religion, education / socioeconomic background, occupation, etc. If all of our conversations were public, we all would be guilty of saying ridiculous things.

People aren't blind at all. Some people just hope that the friction caused by our differences can be lessened. A pretty could strategy to that end is not tolerating racism, especially when it is as public as with Sterling.

I'm not defending Sterling but every individual of X ethnicity / age / sex / socioeconomic background / etc, on average, has some bias against others. And if you don't believe that then you're blind to cultural dynamics, which is especially concerning in a tense multicultural city such as Toronto.

There are degrees of being racist. If you make racist jokes in private, you're probably an insensitive ****. If you hate a race so much you round them up and gas them, you're a lot worse. Sterling is closer to being the insensitive ****, but not someone I could personally tolerate. From your posts maybe he's someone who you can identify with, but I wouldn't know for sure, since I don't know you personally.

[cammac]

Every religion has it crackpot radicals I can easily point to the right wing of the Republican Party in the USA which is supported by radical fundamentalist Christians and look at why they strongly support Israel. It has very little to do with any liberal views but the necessity of the Jews being in a certain local so that Rapture can happen. Radicals in any religion are the bane of society and overshadow the positive message religion gives to many people around the world.

[VanDamme]

[josecasta2]

I applaud the Clippers for tanking, and then sell it to Magic Johnson at a great discount.