PG: Choking #ForBrooklyn

[MrDollarBills]

The only adjustment needed is Deron to show the **** up. His legacy is on the line and its clear he is simply weak minded and everything disappointing of this franchise. Kidd maybe stupid with his minutes rotation but he is a better Avery and PJ. We have a stacked roster. No excuses for him. None. He's the only one who hasn't elevated his game, Joe had a bounce back year and Brook was on pace for another all-star appearance.

Sorry but the adjustment is simple. These games have been close and the team clearly isn't rattled except him.

CO SIGNED 100%.

Deron Williams is a a BITCH. This was the issue in the playoffs last year, and here we are again, now placed into a compromising position because this coward cannot be bothered to show up every night.

We are done. A Game 4 win ensured the Nets a chance to close out on their home floor in Game 6. Instead, the ball gets dropped and with it, all hopes. Having to win game 5 on the road in what will be a hostile environment will fold this team.

Once we lose again, it will be disastrous for this franchise. We will look like a flat out joke

[Prokorov]

The only adjustment needed is Deron to show the **** up. His legacy is on the line and its clear he is simply weak minded and everything disappointing of this franchise. Kidd maybe stupid with his minutes rotation but he is a better Avery and PJ. We have a stacked roster. No excuses for him. None. He's the only one who hasn't elevated his game, Joe had a bounce back year and Brook was on pace for another all-star appearance.

Sorry but the adjustment is simple. These games have been close and the team clearly isn't rattled except him.

CO SIGNED 100%.

Deron Williams is a a BITCH. This was the issue in the playoffs last year, and here we are again, now placed into a compromising position because this coward cannot be bothered to show up every night.

We are done. A Game 4 win ensured the Nets a chance to close out on their home floor in Game 6. Instead, the ball gets dropped and with it, all hopes. Having to win game 5 on the road in what will be a hostile environment will fold this team.

Once we lose again, it will be disastrous for this franchise. We will look like a flat out joke

Yeah, i mean losing to the bulls last year was bad... but at least that was the bulls. a tough as nails team with an elite coach and Noah. We also had wallace and reggie evans and PJ to blame a bit.

This year, it would be losing to the friggin raptors! with a much better roster then last year and going against a team while very good and competitive doesnt have an elite player or coach and is young and inexperienced.

this would be the lowest low since Marbury went "33 all alone" on us.

[MrDollarBills]

Highest paid team in the goddamn SPORT.

If the Nets lose this series, all hell will break loose during the summer. I don't expect Pierce or KG to sit around and waste their time playing alongside a pussy like Deron.

[Paradise]

The only thing that would soften the blow of losing this series around the league is if Houston gets eliminated, San Antonio eliminated, Indiana getting eliminated, Chicago and of course the unforunate Clippers debacle.

But I know how this fanbase works and we will see people blame Billy, J-Kidd, Joe, Rasumov, etc. It's squarely on Deron, folks. Nobody else.

He was a Top 10 player when we got him. Everyone thought it was a break pick up and a better deal than Carmelo. We gave him everything and treated him like a king during his contract year. Yet, he falls apart mentally and regressed to the point where Kyle Lowry owns him in the playoffs when he gets the best team and best coach since Sloan....which he lobbied for.

Give me a break. He had the option to clean his ankles up and he refused. Now, that was another excuse we have him credit for and he got his injections and still can't maintain elite basketball play. I'm honestly done with him. Won't be fooled again.

[Born_Ready]

I fail to understand why Deron gets a free pass by some. I'm sick of watching him turn the ball over and lollygag back on defense. People knock Russell Westbrook, but you know what that dude goes balls to the wall all damn game long. And many claim he isn't a true PG. He does more than Deron does at that position.

[primecougar]

Raps fan, I come in peace. The series has been reffed fairly, there were a lot of bad calls but I don't like that some of our fans blame the refs.

Nets fan making fun of raptor fans about officiating and then point to free throw attempts and # of fouls as evidence is really crap. For example last night I thought we got some beneficial calls but if you look at the box score, the nets got more free throws and had less fouls called on them despite the nets intentionally fouling late.
Those raptor fans aren't complaining about the number of calls but when the calls come. I'm pretty sure some of you thought dwillz was fouled on one of those 3s at the end.

Anyways, great series so far and it was a great game.

From my perspective, I don't know why you guys want kg to play even more. As a raptors fans I get happy when he's on the court. He can't rebound when Jonas is in, can't defend the interior anymore, and is really hesitant with his jumpshot, especially late in the game last night. The only thing he does is trap derozan on pick and rolls. Whenever he's defending the pnr, that's when derozan goes on those 0-5 stretches.

Joe Johnson can't be stopped, and deron Williams is controlling the game really well. I was shocked to see his stats, because from the eye test, he looked like he was back in Utah.

I think pierce should be doing more, he has a major mismatch and at best he's only cancelling out Amir Johnson. I know he hit big shots in game 1 but I thought he would do much better.

Which raptor players seem to be hurting you guys? It's always nice to hear which raptor players are hurting your team.

[Prokorov]

Raps fan, I come in peace. The series has been reffed fairly, there were a lot of bad calls but I don't like that some of our fans blame the refs.

Nets fan making fun of raptor fans about officiating and then point to free throw attempts and # of fouls as evidence is really crap. For example last night I thought we got some beneficial calls but if you look at the box score, the nets got more free throws and had less fouls called on them despite the nets intentionally fouling late.
Those raptor fans aren't complaining about the number of calls but when the calls come. I'm pretty sure some of you thought dwillz was fouled on one of those 3s at the end.

Anyways, great series so far and it was a great game.

From my perspective, I don't know why you guys want kg to play even more. As a raptors fans I get happy when he's on the court. He can't rebound when Jonas is in, can't defend the interior anymore, and is really hesitant with his jumpshot, especially late in the game last night. The only thing he does is trap derozan on pick and rolls. Whenever he's defending the pnr, that's when derozan goes on those 0-5 stretches.

Joe Johnson can't be stopped, and deron Williams is controlling the game really well. I was shocked to see his stats, because from the eye test, he looked like he was back in Utah.

I think pierce should be doing more, he has a major mismatch and at best he's only cancelling out Amir Johnson. I know he hit big shots in game 1 but I thought he would do much better.

Which raptor players seem to be hurting you guys? It's always nice to hear which raptor players are hurting your team.

I respectfully disagree with everything you have said:

1) reffing. FT totals are just one of the things we have pointed out. we also dispelled the notion that KG gets away with everything, pointing to his 4 fouls on illegal screens, 2 technicals, and fouling out of game 3 in 20 minutes. We pointed to situational calls, calls when the game was +/- 4 points, calls late in the 4th, calls that put players in foul trouble, and 50/50 calls, derozan leading the playoffs of FTA while also taking as many jumpshots as anyone in the playoffs(3rd). its impossible to say, after diagnosing all that, that the calls have been unbalanced or biased towards the nets. It sucks raps fans get generalized, but it is also hard to sympathize when fans were blaming the refs BEFORE the series started and with a 30 page bitch fest about the refs.

2) I agree Garnett hasnt been great, but he is still by far the best option of our center trio. plumlee has been terrible and blatche who has been awful in 3 of 4 games. As far as valancuinas, say what you want about his matchup with garnett, but when they are on the floor at the same time KG is +14 and val -14. and overall Val is -23 for the series, with ZERO games having a positive +/- he has put up some numbers, but overall we build, maintain or extend leads when val is on the court.

3) Deron williams is NOT controlling the game really well. he is chucking up bricks, dribbling the air of out the ball, and bring his typical dog half assed effort that he usually brings. its not unexpected when lowry outplays him. lowry plays hard, dwill doesnt. why anyone especially a raptor fan would be suprised by this is beyond me

4) Pierce has been fantastic. He was the only thing even keeping us in the game last night. He basically won us game 1, was instrumental in game 3(not to mention hitting clutch FTs to finally seal that win) and game 3 he was outstanding. im not sure how you can say he hasnt outplayed amir to this point.

As far as which raptors players are hurting us, i think its clearly Vasquez and Patterson. They have hit the big shots, cause the most pressure on our defense, and outplayed thier matchups consistently. Lowry has been good in 2 games and not so good in 2 games. Vals stats are great but have been pretty empty impact wise. Ross has been a no show. Derozan has been really good, but i also would put him in more of a "less impact then the numbers" area. him hitting long 2s at a low clip wont beat us.

Mostly Vasquez, Patterson, Lowry, and Amir at times.

[primecougar]

Raps fan, I come in peace. The series has been reffed fairly, there were a lot of bad calls but I don't like that some of our fans blame the refs.

Nets fan making fun of raptor fans about officiating and then point to free throw attempts and # of fouls as evidence is really crap. For example last night I thought we got some beneficial calls but if you look at the box score, the nets got more free throws and had less fouls called on them despite the nets intentionally fouling late.
Those raptor fans aren't complaining about the number of calls but when the calls come. I'm pretty sure some of you thought dwillz was fouled on one of those 3s at the end.

Anyways, great series so far and it was a great game.

From my perspective, I don't know why you guys want kg to play even more. As a raptors fans I get happy when he's on the court. He can't rebound when Jonas is in, can't defend the interior anymore, and is really hesitant with his jumpshot, especially late in the game last night. The only thing he does is trap derozan on pick and rolls. Whenever he's defending the pnr, that's when derozan goes on those 0-5 stretches.

Joe Johnson can't be stopped, and deron Williams is controlling the game really well. I was shocked to see his stats, because from the eye test, he looked like he was back in Utah.

I think pierce should be doing more, he has a major mismatch and at best he's only cancelling out Amir Johnson. I know he hit big shots in game 1 but I thought he would do much better.

Which raptor players seem to be hurting you guys? It's always nice to hear which raptor players are hurting your team.

I respectfully disagree with everything you have said:

1) reffing. FT totals are just one of the things we have pointed out. we also dispelled the notion that KG gets away with everything, pointing to his 4 fouls on illegal screens, 2 technicals, and fouling out of game 3 in 20 minutes. We pointed to situational calls, calls when the game was +/- 4 points, calls late in the 4th, calls that put players in foul trouble, and 50/50 calls, derozan leading the playoffs of FTA while also taking as many jumpshots as anyone in the playoffs(3rd). its impossible to say, after diagnosing all that, that the calls have been unbalanced or biased towards the nets. It sucks raps fans get generalized, but it is also hard to sympathize when fans were blaming the refs BEFORE the series started and with a 30 page bitch fest about the refs.

2) I agree Garnett hasnt been great, but he is still by far the best option of our center trio. plumlee has been terrible and blatche who has been awful in 3 of 4 games. As far as valancuinas, say what you want about his matchup with garnett, but when they are on the floor at the same time KG is +14 and val -14. and overall Val is -23 for the series, with ZERO games having a positive +/- he has put up some numbers, but overall we build, maintain or extend leads when val is on the court.

3) Deron williams is NOT controlling the game really well. he is chucking up bricks, dribbling the air of out the ball, and bring his typical dog half assed effort that he usually brings. its not unexpected when lowry outplays him. lowry plays hard, dwill doesnt. why anyone especially a raptor fan would be suprised by this is beyond me

4) Pierce has been fantastic. He was the only thing even keeping us in the game last night. He basically won us game 1, was instrumental in game 3(not to mention hitting clutch FTs to finally seal that win) and game 3 he was outstanding. im not sure how you can say he hasnt outplayed amir to this point.

As far as which raptors players are hurting us, i think its clearly Vasquez and Patterson. They have hit the big shots, cause the most pressure on our defense, and outplayed thier matchups consistently. Lowry has been good in 2 games and not so good in 2 games. Vals stats are great but have been pretty empty impact wise. Ross has been a no show. Derozan has been really good, but i also would put him in more of a "less impact then the numbers" area. him hitting long 2s at a low clip wont beat us.

Mostly Vasquez, Patterson, Lowry, and Amir at times.

regarding the refs, i dont wanna spend too much time talking about it but 30 pages on the raps board isnt a big deal. come on going into a series vs 2 hall of famers/2 all stars we had every right to be concerned about officiating, not necessarily that its rigged but veterans players get the benefit of the doubt. raps are full of inexperienced players and they dont really get calls in the playoffs but like i said the refs have been fair, with both teams getting their fare share of calls.

the game last night was called fairly but raps got those "big calls". if you look at the box score, nets shot more fts and had less fouls called even though they fouled intentionally. anyways neither teams been screwed by the refs. they have given our young guys their calls and heres hoping to the game 5 being called evenly.

paul has been great but i expected a lot more out of him. he's outplayed amir but not to the extent i thought he would. amirs had 2 great games (both wins). before last nights game paul was shooting 39% and he has had a big mismatch. he had a good game last night but kinda choked at the end, missed the big shot in game 2. i think he will have a good game 5

the eye test failed with dwill. for the majority of the time, hes looked really good.

idk about kg, i dont like +/- numbers, i think val has owned him. kg looks really slow. i agree that vasquez and patterson have been big. derozan is being defended like joe got defended last night. hes getting blitz on pnr and all eyes are on him, despite him being inefficient, i think hes still our main guy.

[MrDollarBills]

Vasquez and Patterson are the two players that scare me to death.

I stopped worrying about Lowry because he's going to **** on Deron's bum ass regardless.

[LOUiS-D]

The only adjustment needed is Deron to show the **** up. His legacy is on the line and its clear he is simply weak minded and everything disappointing of this franchise. Kidd maybe stupid with his minutes rotation but he is a better Avery and PJ. We have a stacked roster. No excuses for him. None. He's the only one who hasn't elevated his game, Joe had a bounce back year and Brook was on pace for another all-star appearance.

Sorry but the adjustment is simple. These games have been close and the team clearly isn't rattled except him.




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yup, it is simple:

Dwill outplays lowry, nets win.

he doesnt, nets lose.

so far he is 2 for 4.

Yep. And he has to do it regardless of whether his jump shot is on or off. He has to attack and forget about calls, be strong with the ball and finish through the contact. You can't lean away, let the ball get stripped or pass out of single coverage. A good hard drive to the basket puts pressure on a team's defense as much as a jump shooter on fire and requires a fraction of the luck/skill. All you need is guts and determination... And an open lane... And harmonious ball movement, cutting, screens and misdirection to create that lane.

[IrMitchell]

Raps fan, I come in peace. The series has been reffed fairly, there were a lot of bad calls but I don't like that some of our fans blame the refs.

Nets fan making fun of raptor fans about officiating and then point to free throw attempts and # of fouls as evidence is really crap. For example last night I thought we got some beneficial calls but if you look at the box score, the nets got more free throws and had less fouls called on them despite the nets intentionally fouling late.
Those raptor fans aren't complaining about the number of calls but when the calls come. I'm pretty sure some of you thought dwillz was fouled on one of those 3s at the end.

Anyways, great series so far and it was a great game.

From my perspective, I don't know why you guys want kg to play even more. As a raptors fans I get happy when he's on the court. He can't rebound when Jonas is in, can't defend the interior anymore, and is really hesitant with his jumpshot, especially late in the game last night. The only thing he does is trap derozan on pick and rolls. Whenever he's defending the pnr, that's when derozan goes on those 0-5 stretches.

Joe Johnson can't be stopped, and deron Williams is controlling the game really well. I was shocked to see his stats, because from the eye test, he looked like he was back in Utah.

I think pierce should be doing more, he has a major mismatch and at best he's only cancelling out Amir Johnson. I know he hit big shots in game 1 but I thought he would do much better.

Which raptor players seem to be hurting you guys? It's always nice to hear which raptor players are hurting your team.

I respectfully disagree with everything you have said:

1) reffing. FT totals are just one of the things we have pointed out. we also dispelled the notion that KG gets away with everything, pointing to his 4 fouls on illegal screens, 2 technicals, and fouling out of game 3 in 20 minutes. We pointed to situational calls, calls when the game was +/- 4 points, calls late in the 4th, calls that put players in foul trouble, and 50/50 calls, derozan leading the playoffs of FTA while also taking as many jumpshots as anyone in the playoffs(3rd). its impossible to say, after diagnosing all that, that the calls have been unbalanced or biased towards the nets. It sucks raps fans get generalized, but it is also hard to sympathize when fans were blaming the refs BEFORE the series started and with a 30 page bitch fest about the refs.

2) I agree Garnett hasnt been great, but he is still by far the best option of our center trio. plumlee has been terrible and blatche who has been awful in 3 of 4 games. As far as valancuinas, say what you want about his matchup with garnett, but when they are on the floor at the same time KG is +14 and val -14. and overall Val is -23 for the series, with ZERO games having a positive +/- he has put up some numbers, but overall we build, maintain or extend leads when val is on the court.

3) Deron williams is NOT controlling the game really well. he is chucking up bricks, dribbling the air of out the ball, and bring his typical dog half assed effort that he usually brings. its not unexpected when lowry outplays him. lowry plays hard, dwill doesnt. why anyone especially a raptor fan would be suprised by this is beyond me

4) Pierce has been fantastic. He was the only thing even keeping us in the game last night. He basically won us game 1, was instrumental in game 3(not to mention hitting clutch FTs to finally seal that win) and game 3 he was outstanding. im not sure how you can say he hasnt outplayed amir to this point.

As far as which raptors players are hurting us, i think its clearly Vasquez and Patterson. They have hit the big shots, cause the most pressure on our defense, and outplayed thier matchups consistently. Lowry has been good in 2 games and not so good in 2 games. Vals stats are great but have been pretty empty impact wise. Ross has been a no show. Derozan has been really good, but i also would put him in more of a "less impact then the numbers" area. him hitting long 2s at a low clip wont beat us.

Mostly Vasquez, Patterson, Lowry, and Amir at times.

regarding the refs, i dont wanna spend too much time talking about it but 30 pages on the raps board isnt a big deal. come on going into a series vs 2 hall of famers/2 all stars we had every right to be concerned about officiating, not necessarily that its rigged but veterans players get the benefit of the doubt. raps are full of inexperienced players and they dont really get calls in the playoffs but like i said the refs have been fair, with both teams getting their fare share of calls.

the game last night was called fairly but raps got those "big calls". if you look at the box score, nets shot more fts and had less fouls called even though they fouled intentionally. anyways neither teams been screwed by the refs. they have given our young guys their calls and heres hoping to the game 5 being called evenly.

paul has been great but i expected a lot more out of him. he's outplayed amir but not to the extent i thought he would. amirs had 2 great games (both wins). before last nights game paul was shooting 39% and he has had a big mismatch. he had a good game last night but kinda choked at the end, missed the big shot in game 2. i think he will have a good game 5

the eye test failed with dwill. for the majority of the time, hes looked really good.

idk about kg, i dont like +/- numbers, i think val has owned him. kg looks really slow. i agree that vasquez and patterson have been big. derozan is being defended like joe got defended last night. hes getting blitz on pnr and all eyes are on him, despite him being inefficient, i think hes still our main guy.

I'm a Raptors fan and you stole the words out of my mouth with the exception of one thing, Plumlee>Garnett.

Patterson and Vasquez have been the key to this series for Toronto. They have the confidence and ability late in games which some of our other guys don't.

[NetsWorld]

Some of you guys are just politely asking Rich or Jersey Jac to ban you by cursing and using profanity and constantly bashing the Nets; This is referenced to the so called Nets fans who bash their own team.

[BK nets BK]

Some of you guys are just politely asking Rich or Jersey Jac to ban you by cursing and using profanity and constantly bashing the Nets; This is referenced to the so called Nets fans who bash their own team.

yeah guys. How dare you bash your own team and point out their flaws. Nets will win the next two games and beat the heat in 5 and with the championship.


Anyway imagine in what position we would have been if we never tanked at the end of the season. The bulls are looking way weaker than last year and a second round matchup against the hawks would have been golden.

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[LOUiS-D]

Some of you guys are just politely asking Rich or Jersey Jac to ban you by cursing and using profanity and constantly bashing the Nets; This is referenced to the so called Nets fans who bash their own team.

yeah guys. How dare you bash your own team and point out their flaws. Nets will win the next two games and beat the heat in 5 and with the championship.


Anyway imagine in what position we would have been if we never tanked at the end of the season. The bulls are looking way weaker than last year and a second round matchup against the hawks would have been golden.

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It's all about match ups and how well a team's defensive strategy covers their opponents offensive strengths. Any team can be exposed, because there's no perfect strategy. The Bulls are all about deny middle and give up certain shots in favour of being able to close out to the perimeter and contest at the rim. I'm not sure we fair as well against the Bulls or Pacers as the Wizards and Hawks have.

It's pick your poison, don't be suckered in by another team's found gold.

[BloodyNose]

deron needs to try and take it to the hole more. Instead of his predictable between the legs cross over step back thing he does

[MrDollarBills]

Some of you guys are just politely asking Rich or Jersey Jac to ban you by cursing and using profanity and constantly bashing the Nets; This is referenced to the so called Nets fans who bash their own team.

I for one have rooted hard for our team in every game

[Prokorov]

Some of you guys are just politely asking Rich or Jersey Jac to ban you by cursing and using profanity and constantly bashing the Nets; This is referenced to the so called Nets fans who bash their own team.

I for one have rooted hard for our team in every game

same here.

you dont have to ballwash the team and predict them to nine-peat as champions in order to root for them

[Dennis 37]

Still can't get over how Pierce only played 31mins.. Jesus Christ. And why is Kidd so in love with AA? And it seems like if Telotovic makes 1 3pointer Kidd feels the need to milk his time on the floor. What an awful coach you guys have.

AA, or Stankface as we called him when he was a Raptor, causes coaches to fall in love with him. He got far too many minutes when he was a Raptor, at the detriment of developing our rookies.

[Welp]

Amazing game. Heart wrenching again. Anyone who thinks it's over is being emotional. They already won one in Toronto. It's all about which team stores enough energy for that final push. No game will be a blowout so I anticipate another nail biter in game 5. It was shutting down Joe to me that was the difference and a few of your guys missing good looks. Good luck to you guys!

joe wasnt shut down, his teammates were. he made all the right plays. double teams came and he made some great passes. dwill and company couldnt buy a basket.

we have no shot to win on the road. first game we got lucky cause of jitters for the raptors. this series i over. the nets have no heart. no chance we show up game 5

Never forget.