Trade Idea Thread II

[mttwlsn16]

I dont think anyone on this board is happier than I am that Mullens is gone

and you thought he was going to be decent at first too. redeems your premonition.

oh ya i admit i was excited when we signed him. thought he could be that stretch big for us.

LOL boy was i wrong

[mttwlsn16]

I dont think anyone on this board is happier than I am that Mullens is gone

We were probably his two biggest haters. I probably didn't talk about him that much on the board, but I really hated the signing and really couldn't understand why we got him. At least he's gone so I won't have to worry about him.

all that matters now is he's gone

[Neddy]

Not an idiot, but from what I've seen I hear you guys wanting to trade for Shumpert, sign Granger, so on and so on, so when will Bullock get his playing experience, he is not going to learn anything sitting on the bench..

correction.

we didn't want Shumpert, they wanted Bullock. Signing Granger is a no brainer. we are not a lottery team like the fakers. we are a contender and contenders play seasoned vets, especially when they are a multiple times all star and still within the latter end of his prime.

if you don't learn anything from sitting behind vets but regress to a point of ruining a career, how did Tom Brady become a HOF QB after sitting behind Drew Bledsoe? how did Darrell Armstrong manage to have 15 year NBA career and once a winner of the most improved player award after being undrafted and out of NBA for the first 4 years? once he made it to the NBA he hardly ever played for the first couple of years on top of that.

Blake Griffin made statements in his second year in NBA that the first year of sitting out due to injury helped him learn the speed of NBA immensely. i think i would rather go with somebody who's talking in first person terms.

The Clips did want Shump, they were smart not giving Bullock for him but Shump would've been over Bullock in the depth chart had they acquired him without including Bullock. As far as your examples excluding Blake of course which is an opinion he gave, Armstrong was never given the chance until the Magic tore up the team to rebuild and as you said look at the career he had once he had a chance. Brady, same thing, not given a chance, Bledsoe got hurt, so the gave him a sho and Brady stepped up big time, and thats the opportunity Bullock hasn't been given.

What I'm seeing is this team becoming like a big market teams, you have a very good young team that should be on top for years to come, meaning that vets like Barnes, Granger and the likes will always want to sign with you guys, so when will Bullock be given a chance if you keep signing and trading for players instead of giving a chance to the ones you already have and see what they got. I just don't want the kid to be forgotten and never given a chance. And I'm not saying give him an important role for the playoffs, no, but for example Redick is out 3-5 weeks, for that time you can afford to give him a few mins to see what he's got, and once Redick comes back you can sit him again if you weren't satisfied or who knows maybe he plays better than Dudley and you start playing him over Dudley.

please explain how you see those given examples as "not given a chance" and bullock as "ruining his career" as i have never heard of any professionals or sports writers deeming a sitting during a rookie year as "ruining a career" ever.

[BCS]

please explain how you see those given examples as "not given a chance" and bullock as "ruining his career" as i have never heard of any professionals or sports writers deeming a sitting during a rookie year as "ruining a career" ever.

Like you said Armstrong barely played his 1st few years and it wasn't because of lack of talent or anything, the Magic just had other players they preferred, Penny, Shaw...., same with Brady, had Bledsoe, he got injured and voila they dicover the greatness in Brady same with Armstrong, they get rid of Penny and Shaw and Armstrong is able to show how good he was. Therefore they were given a chance, in the case of Brady a little luck as well, lol.

I might have exaggerated with the ruining his career, but like I said earlier I don't want him to be one of the players who just never gets to show what he has and is forgotten, that is all.

EDIT: Had the Magic had 5 more years of being good (Shaq doesn't leave, Penny and Shaw stay, Penny stays healthy, etc.) Armstrong might have never got the chance to prove himself and other teams might see that as he wasn't that good cause he didnt play. Pretty much he got the chance when they went bad and the Clips are not going bad anytime soon.

[Neddy]

please explain how you see those given examples as "not given a chance" and bullock as "ruining his career" as i have never heard of any professionals or sports writers deeming a sitting during a rookie year as "ruining a career" ever.

Like you said Armstrong barely played his 1st few years and it wasn't because of lack of talent or anything, the Magic just had other players they preferred, Penny, Shaw...., same with Brady, had Bledsoe, he got injured and voila they dicover the greatness in Brady same with Armstrong, they get rid of Penny and Shaw and Armstrong is able to show how good he was. Therefore they were given a chance, in the case of Brady a little luck as well, lol.

I might have exaggerated with the ruining his career, but like I said earlier I don't want him to be one of the players who just never gets to show what he has and is forgotten, that is all.

EDIT: Had the Magic had 5 more years of being good (Shaq doesn't leave, Penny and Shaw stay, Penny stays healthy, etc.) Armstrong might have never got the chance to prove himself and other teams might see that as he wasn't that good cause he didnt play. Pretty much he got the chance when they went bad and the Clips are not going bad anytime soon.

same can be said about Bullock. JJ is already hurt and out indefinitely, Green seems to be out of Doc's rotation, Dudley and Barnes are struggling, and even if Granger comes he can easily be out with injuries during the latter half of this season, and Bullock can get that chance you are referring to. but as a fan of this franchise with high hopes for the post season play, i would much rather roll with proven vets over a rookie no matter what his name is, unless that rookie was a top 5 pick or a ROY candidate. Bullock will get his chance next year, as Dudley and maybe even barnes could be dealt off season.

as for your edited comment, that is playing a what if game to make your argument fit.

[BCS]

same can be said about Bullock. JJ is already hurt and out indefinitely, Green seems to be out of Doc's rotation, Dudley and Barnes are struggling, and even if Granger comes he can easily be out with injuries during the latter half of this season, and Bullock can get that chance you are referring to. but as a fan of this franchise with high hopes for the post season play, i would much rather roll with proven vets over a rookie no matter what his name is, unless that rookie was a top 5 pick or a ROY candidate. Bullock will get his chance next year, as Dudley and maybe even barnes could be dealt off season.

as for your edited comment, that is playing a what if game to make your argument fit.

I agree thats why I was a bit upset, all this time has passed, injuries and what not and I don't even know what this kid is capable of doing and now we are hitting the stretch run, meaning that it is not the time to be giving an unproven rookie a chance. But now that JJ is injured for a few weeks they have a chance to give Bullock a few mins, see what he has got, once JJ comes back, take him out of the rotation but something tells me that they will just play Green or play Dudley more instead.

[Neddy]

well even if Bullock sits the entire rookie season, which he hasn't, playing some garbage minutes, i don't think it means anything harmful to his growth at all. many players in many sports sits their first year or two. the way this team has performed, i doubt both Dudley and Barnes will be back next year. maybe both will be gone. i happened to be a big fan of Reggie and i do believe he will crack the rotation for Doc next year. let this year be what it is. and there still could be a golden opportunity with unforeseen injuries. who would have thought Drew Bledsoe would go out the way he did and Tom Brady would step right in?

[BCS]

I agree, for this year I know and actually prefer if they give him no role, next year I would hope he gets some kind of role and hope they don't keep signing other vets who might not even be a better option than him to fill those positions. If they are good go for it, but if they are a Dudley, Jamison, Odom, Sasha type player, not necessary.

[mttwlsn16]

I[img]agree,%20for%20this%20year%20I%20know%20and%20actually%20prefer%20if%20they%20give%20him%20no%20role[/img], next year I would hope he gets some kind of role and hope they don't keep signing other vets who might not even be a better option than him to fill those positions. If they are good go for it, but if they are a Dudley, Jamison, Odom, Sasha type player, not necessary.

i thought we were ruining his career?

[BCS]

I[img]agree,%20for%20this%20year%20I%20know%20and%20actually%20prefer%20if%20they%20give%20him%20no%20role[/img], next year I would hope he gets some kind of role and hope they don't keep signing other vets who might not even be a better option than him to fill those positions. If they are good go for it, but if they are a Dudley, Jamison, Odom, Sasha type player, not necessary.

i thought we were ruining his career?

I already said I exaggerated with that comment, I would prefer not signing anyone, but being that you are a contending team that is not likely to happen, you won't take the chance, Bullock would still be an unknown, you can sign someone but play Bullock and give him a chance on the court, if it doesn't turn out they have another option but at least he got his opportunity not like this year were they just kept signing players, I means Sasha, really...

[QRich3]

Yeah that's not how the NBA works, late first round picks don't get playing time as rookies on winning teams, unless they're prodigies. And more often than not it helps their development more than mid round picks who get thrown into the fire quick.

Bullock should not be getting anything more than garbage minutes right now, and I don't even care how good he does in those. We are trying to win a championship here, the development of our 25th pick is important but secondary to the main goal. Even next year, he should be at the end of the rotation, and if he shows he's ready to play in big moments you can bring him along in his 3rd season when he's confortable and fully understands how the game works at this level.

Take a look at the players similar to him that were drafted at those spots:

Jimmy Butler: Drafted 30th, barely played his rookie year (8 minutes a game in half the games), got twenty-something minutes as a reserve his sophomre year, he's a full time starter and an important piece for the Bulls right now.

Arron Afflalo: Drafted 27th, played 13 minutes a game his rookie year, 16 minutes his sophomre year, I think he's turned out alright.

Avery Bradley: Drafted 19th, played only a total 162 minutes his rookie year, 20 minutes as a sophomore, was a starter by his 3rd year.

Nic Batum: Drafted 25th, played 18 MPG his rookie year, 24 his sophomore year, started being an impact player in his 3rd year.

Reggie Jackson: Drafted 24th, barely played over 10 minutes a game his first 2 seasons, now he's the main piece off the bench for the best team in the league.

Should I keep going?

Now you go take a look at Marshon Brooks, Daequan Cook, Jordan Crawford, Omri Casspi, and all those guys who goy to play a lot of minutes from the get go, and tell who's doing better.

Only thing Bullock should be worried about right now is fully learning how the defense works, watching a lot of film, adjusting to all the traveling and press that comes with playing in the NBA, and always having fresh donuts for his veterans.

Fans tend to overrate their young rookies, and he has showed some promise, but making a few threes and being able to guard players for small stretches means nothing, it takes years to adjust to the NBA even for the most talented players. Let him grow very slowly, he'll be a starter for us in 3/4 years, when the time is right.

[Quake Griffin]

so we need to draft Kyle Anderson...and if not him, Sam Dekker.

but Kyle Anderson...lots of want.

[Angel strike1]

so we need to draft Kyle Anderson...and if not him, Sam Dekker.

but Kyle Anderson...lots of want.

Ya love his game

[TheNewEra]

Dudley must leave this offseason and get Jason Thompson in the process.

[QRich3]

Just seen the wiretap on Jeff Green being available to anyone with a bag of chips to offer. Should we offer something like Dudley + Grover + 28th pick for him?

He makes $9.2 million next year and the next season is unguaranteed, if I'm not mistaken with the 150% rule, we need to send like $6.1 million back in salaries. The ideal thing would be not sending anything of value other than the pick, and getting a semi-capable 3 who can score off the ball and defend a little bit to give Barnes some rest. He could also be very useful as a trade chip the following summer.

[LACtdom]

I'm assuming Granger and Big Baby will leave us for more money. If we could somehow add Jeff Green we would have a great starting lineup!

[NBAWestFan]

Trade Doc for D'Antoni

Doc is gone after the playoffs unless new ownership arrives.

[Angel strike1]

Trade Doc for D'Antoni

Doc is gone after the playoffs unless new ownership arrives.

Would say trade ur beau for a rock .

But then that would be an upgrade

[Neddy]

trade Donald for the rotting corpse of Al Davis.

put Donald in Al's grave while at it.

[Angel strike1]

Hey needyyy