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Donald Sterling's punishment was...

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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#561 » by OAKLEY_2 » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:30 am

cammac wrote:Look the NBA is riddled with owners with dubious pasts and current endeavors.
DeVos family owns Amway a technically legal pyramid scheme and has been fined both in USA, Canada, India for illegal practices and had a campaign against P%G that they were associated with the devil. (Orlando)

Mikhail Prokhorov runs a opposition party against Putin in Russia but it is in reality a thinly veiled support to help keep Putin in power and keep the illusion that Russia is a democracy. Plus how he got his money? Nets

Those are just two quick and obvious examples of the ownership in the NBA one old and one new.


And yet these (American) leagues prefer kingpin billionaire owners to consortiums like MLSE or community ownership. For every Cuban or Robert Kraft there is a Malouf and a Sterling with their hookers. Russia is an Oligarchy in every sense. America is a Plutocracy. Both empires run on energy currency, financial services and a public sector military juggernaut that are deficit financed. Mikhail Prokhorov is likely no worse than Hank Greenberg or public friendly Mayor Bloomberg. Cross these guys and they'll hire special agencies to ruin you.
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#562 » by jeffya2 » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:54 am

There's a lot more going on here then meets the eye

Sterling is the same as he always was
Bimbet gets sued by Sterling for 1.8 million & wins
Bimbet promises to get even
Bimbet looks for new $ & takes pics with Magic {man of 1000 women + man who has been pursuing LA/NBA TEAM ownership}
Tapes are recorded with tons of leading questions, & needling of an 80 year old man
Tapes are released
Magic is one of the 1st to condemn & quickly announce his ownership group is interested in buying the Clippers

Sterling is a piece of sheet, & has always been known for it

The question is

What does Bimbet have to gain
Pics of Magic with Bimbet, {posted on Instagram} is the source of the problem
Magic now wants to buy the Clippers

Conclusions

I love Magic {always have}
Bimbet loves money {always has & still does}
Magic loves NBA / Basketball / women / Clippers {always has, always will}
NBA loves Magic {always has always will}

Just some food for thought
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#563 » by hankscorpioLA » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:55 am

Looks like Silver probably doesn't need to do much.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/2 ... 26620.html
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Post#564 » by Dennis 37 » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:58 am

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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#565 » by MEDIC » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:42 am

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sweetcity wrote:Am I the only one that thinks this is pretty overblown? I dont get what he said that is that bad. He wants his girlfriend to be a posh white girl and not be posting photos on instagram of a hip hop lifestyle. I dont think thats actually racist. Sterling has a track record of being racist, if another owner said this it wouldnt be nearly as bad


Wanting his half latina/half black girlfriend to be a posh "white" girl and not have a "hip hop" lifestyle sounds pretty damn racist to me


This line of thinking would equate to 99% of the population being biggots or racist on some level. There are a lot of ethnicities here in the GTA that don't want their family members to date people from a different cultural or religious backgrounds.

I've heard so many stories over the years...
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#566 » by C Court » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:49 am

hankscorpioLA wrote:Looks like Silver probably doesn't need to do much.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/2 ... 26620.html


Yup. I posted something along these lines in another thread.

Sterling might be forced to sell simply because of an advertiser/fan boycott. If a Clipper boycott doesn't work, then some major national sponsors could bail on the NBA completely. Once the stench of Sterling starts to hurt the bottom lines of 29 other franchises, you can bet the owners will aggressively move to get Sterling out of the league.
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#567 » by hell_razor » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:51 am

When did Americans stop loving freedom?


Take away his team?

Hes done nothing illegal...he voiced his opinion and its horrible and nasty and bigoted. ...but at the end of the day its his opinion and hes entitled to it.

Land of the free my ass... any line of you advocating that his stuff be taken is a freedom hater.
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Post#568 » by Fairview4Life » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:51 am

9. Similarly, IF THOU HAST SPENT the entire offseason predicting that thy team will stink, thou shalt not gloat, nor even be happy, shouldst thou turn out to be correct. Realistic analysis is fine, but be a fan first, a smug smarty-pants second.
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#569 » by Fairview4Life » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:55 am

hell_razor wrote:When did Americans stop loving freedom?


Take away his team?

Hes done nothing illegal...he voiced his opinion and its horrible and nasty and bigoted. ...but at the end of the day its his opinion and hes entitled to it.

Land of the free my ass... any line of you advocating that his stuff be taken is a freedom hater.


Oh shut up. The idea that everyone can just say whatever they want consequence free, because FREEDOM, is **** stupid. He's free to say and believe all the abhorrent nonsense he wants. No one has to keep paying him. Or playing for him. Or allowing him to own an NBA franchise. He's going to be forced out. And rightfully so.
9. Similarly, IF THOU HAST SPENT the entire offseason predicting that thy team will stink, thou shalt not gloat, nor even be happy, shouldst thou turn out to be correct. Realistic analysis is fine, but be a fan first, a smug smarty-pants second.
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#570 » by basketball royalty » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:56 am

hell_razor wrote:When did Americans stop loving freedom?


Take away his team?

Hes done nothing illegal...he voiced his opinion and its horrible and nasty and bigoted. ...but at the end of the day its his opinion and hes entitled to it.

Land of the free my ass... any line of you advocating that his stuff be taken is a freedom hater.


Nothing is being taken. He will make a lot of money selling the team. However, if he doesn't sell and go away the NBA should contract the team and kick him out because it would be bad for the league. T
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#571 » by Hendrix » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:01 am

hell_razor wrote:When did Americans stop loving freedom?


Take away his team?

Hes done nothing illegal...he voiced his opinion and its horrible and nasty and bigoted. ...but at the end of the day its his opinion and hes entitled to it.

Land of the free my ass... any line of you advocating that his stuff be taken is a freedom hater.

Where does freedom even enter this discussion?

He's free to say whatever he wants. And, sponsors, customers, fans, players, etc... are free to voice their displeasure with what he says, and choose to not spend money on a team he owns or work for him.
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#572 » by dagger » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:03 am

Fairview4Life wrote:http://deadspin.com/rockets-owner-wants-adam-silver-to-stab-a-sword-in-st-1569020243


Too many things wrong with Les' idea

-would break binding contracts
=would favour teams that happen to have cap space (like us, but it's not fair)
-would disadvantage Clippers players from a financial perspective - would overwhelm available cap space
-would disadvantage other free agents (like Lowry)
-players who didn't leave because they couldn't get comparable elsewhere would be stigmatized

Of course, if Blake Griffin wants to come here, I'm all for the idea.

But you can bet your bottom dollar that the big winner would be the Lakers.
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#573 » by beachbean » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:05 am

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beachbean wrote:
sweetcity wrote:Am I the only one that thinks this is pretty overblown? I dont get what he said that is that bad. He wants his girlfriend to be a posh white girl and not be posting photos on instagram of a hip hop lifestyle. I dont think thats actually racist. Sterling has a track record of being racist, if another owner said this it wouldnt be nearly as bad


Wanting his half latina/half black girlfriend to be a posh "white" girl and not have a "hip hop" lifestyle sounds pretty damn racist to me


This line of thinking would equate to 99% of the population being biggots or racist on some level. There are a lot of ethnicities here in the GTA that don't want their family members to date people from a different cultural or religious backgrounds.

I've heard so many stories over the years...


I get what you're saying - I guess my overall point is if he wants a "posh white girl" then he should go date one, not try to get his girlfriend to conform into what fits that description and make ignorant comments about what race she can bring to games with her or associate with...
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#574 » by Fairview4Life » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:05 am

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Fairview4Life wrote:http://deadspin.com/rockets-owner-wants-adam-silver-to-stab-a-sword-in-st-1569020243


Too many things wrong with Les' idea

-would break binding contracts
=would favour teams that happen to have cap space (like us, but it's not fair)
-would disadvantage Clippers players from a financial perspective - would overwhelm available cap space
-would disadvantage other free agents (like Lowry)
-players who didn't leave because they couldn't get comparable elsewhere would be stigmatized

Of course, if Blake Griffin wants to come here, I'm all for the idea.


It's obviously not happening. But good to know other owners want him out.
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Post#575 » by hell_razor » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:05 am

At the end of the day this was a private conversation, and this guy still pays his players and takes care of them, etc. You can't force someone to start thinking the same way as you do. As you can see in many pictures and videos he still looks happy having conversations with black players, it's just deep inside him he doesn't feel comfortable chilling with black people.

In no way am I supporting his thinking, but overblown story
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#576 » by VanDamme » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:07 am

hell_razor wrote:When did Americans stop loving freedom?


Take away his team?

Hes done nothing illegal...he voiced his opinion and its horrible and nasty and bigoted. ...but at the end of the day its his opinion and hes entitled to it.

Land of the free my ass... any line of you advocating that his stuff be taken is a freedom hater.


There is more to our legal system than legal/illegal. There is equity, there is also public policy. He's not an owner of some private business that the NBA is being pushed to take away. The NBA is being pushed to take a NBA franchise out of his hands.

Your argument may make sense if he was an owner in a different sense, like if he started his own business and turned out to have racist conversations in private... the government nor anybody else can take away his business for this reason. Franchise owners are a different story and are not afforded the same "freedoms". At the same time you seem to be concentrating on this tape only but are ignoring his history. He has acted on his racism, they are not just private thoughts.

Yes this technical stuff is important so don't brush it aside.
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#577 » by VanDamme » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:10 am

hell_razor wrote:At the end of the day this was a private conversation, and this guy still pays his players and takes care of them, etc. You can't force someone to start thinking the same way as you do. As you can see in many pictures and videos he still looks happy having conversations with black players, it's just deep inside him he doesn't feel comfortable chilling with black people.

In no way am I supporting his thinking, but overblown story


Did you miss the Baron Davis interview? Look it up on Grantland.
Nobody is trying to change his thinking. The NBA will try (is being pushed to try) and distance itself from associating and working with someone who has a history of racism and discrimination.
Yes you're right this is being blown pretty big but some of that is because people are not only reacting to what just happened with this tape, but the reactions are taking into account this guy's history. Unfortunately in the past the issues weren't dealt with adequately in relation to the NBA so it's all pent up and coming to the surface now.
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Post#578 » by Fairview4Life » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:14 am

hell_razor wrote:At the end of the day this was a private conversation, and this guy still pays his players and takes care of them, etc. You can't force someone to start thinking the same way as you do. As you can see in many pictures and videos he still looks happy having conversations with black players, it's just deep inside him he doesn't feel comfortable chilling with black people.

In no way am I supporting his thinking, but overblown story


Sorry, he's done as an NBA owner and his name is ruined. He will have an extra billion dollars, but he won't get to ogle 'beautiful black bodies' anymore.

He pays his players with the money the players generate by entertaining us. He is a middle man providing little to no value (and in Sterling's case, destroying value) who gets to skim off the top and and sit court side, hoping some of Chris Paul's shine will rub off on him. He is a **** parasite that you have chosen to white knight for inexplicable reasons.
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#579 » by dagger » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:14 am

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hankscorpioLA wrote:Looks like Silver probably doesn't need to do much.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/2 ... 26620.html


Yup. I posted something along these lines in another thread.

Sterling might be forced to sell simply because of an advertiser/fan boycott. If a Clipper boycott doesn't work, then some major national sponsors could bail on the NBA completely. Once the stench of Sterling starts to hurt the bottom lines of 29 other franchises, you can bet the owners will aggressively move to get Sterling out of the league.


I asked a sports lawyer on Twitter whether league-wide financial implications would give the league more legal leverage - i.e. a better defence if Sterling launches an anti-trust suit to keep his asset. The answer is yes. The owners may not have the right to kick Sterling out just for his comments, but have a right to protect their own interests if they are being damaged by Sterling.
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Re: Donald Sterling is a Racist how will Silver react. 

Post#580 » by MEDIC » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:16 am

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Wanting his half latina/half black girlfriend to be a posh "white" girl and not have a "hip hop" lifestyle sounds pretty damn racist to me


This line of thinking would equate to 99% of the population being biggots or racist on some level. There are a lot of ethnicities here in the GTA that don't want their family members to date people from a different cultural or religious backgrounds.

I've heard so many stories over the years...


I get what you're saying - I guess my overall point is if he wants a "posh white girl" then he should go date one, not try to get his girlfriend to conform into what fits that description and make ignorant comments about what race she can bring to games with her or associate with...


He's a racist old man. She's a young gold digger. They are both messed up people. Unfortunately we have been invited into their lives.
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