The Trade Thread

[coolness]

Thanks for the replies.

I'm done on it. Maybe on Drummond trades. MAYBE.

Drummond > 4th + Burke + Gobert that is not open for debate. Debate = how many >'s to use?

BUT that was also $26m in cap that I opened up! Not sure UTAH would do it. I think they would if somehow there is enough money to re-sign Gordon Hayward though.

We could re-sign Monroe (even without the cap hold game) and then 2 stars or 3+ good players.

And....we wouldn't have Smennings anymore who lost us plenty of games.

But anywho....I do like fanboy trades. Yours included.

[ImHeisenberg]

Thanks for the replies.

I'm done on it. Maybe on Drummond trades. MAYBE.

Drummond > 4th + Burke + Gobert that is not open for debate. Debate = how many >'s to use?

BUT that was also $26m in cap that I opened up!

$26 million for who? Carmelo Anthony or LeBron James aren't coming to Detroit to use up that cap space. You could use it on restricted free agents like Gordon Hayward, but he's never even sniffed an all-star appearance in 4 years, is he worth a max contract offer?

Yes, your trade opened up cap space. But, cap space does not equate to a better team. Look what Dumars did last summer with cap space.

[coolness]

Thanks for the replies.

I'm done on it. Maybe on Drummond trades. MAYBE.

Drummond > 4th + Burke + Gobert that is not open for debate. Debate = how many >'s to use?

BUT that was also $26m in cap that I opened up!

$26 million for who? Carmelo Anthony or LeBron James aren't coming to Detroit to use up that cap space. You could use it on restricted free agents like Gordon Hayward, but he's never even sniffed an all-star appearance in 4 years, is he worth a max contract offer?

Yes, your trade opened up cap space. But, cap space does not equate to a better team. Look what Dumars did last summer with cap space.

Cap doesn't equate to a better team. Then again, nothing really equates to a better team. A 2nd overall pick doesn't for example. Derrick Rose doesn't because he doesn't play. Drummond doesn't because Smennings are working for the other team. Guarantees just aren't around.

Question: how many times have NBA teams ruined their futures as much as with the summers of Smennings and BG/CV??? Those two examples are on the extreme end of it. More likely to get a good result. Can't get a worse result. Pistons should know it better than anybody and that's who we are talking about. I think they will be careful if given cap space this time. How many angry letters did Gores's secretary read and maybe mention to him once or twice? Hopefully, Gores isn't insane anyways.

EDIT: you mentioned Hayward. In the deal, we might be required to leave him alone, but his contribution would be worth a lot (not max) even if he only averages 15 ppg. As long as he doesn't Smoove it and average 15 ppg for the other team. Other players than Hayward could be pursued who agree to play for the team on their jersey.

[jakebernat]

$26 million for who? Carmelo Anthony or LeBron James aren't coming to Detroit to use up that cap space. You could use it on restricted free agents like Gordon Hayward, but he's never even sniffed an all-star appearance in 4 years, is he worth a max contract offer?

Yes, your trade opened up cap space. But, cap space does not equate to a better team. Look what Dumars did last summer with cap space.

cap space doesn't automatically make a team better, but a capped out team has no chance to improve. sure, you can look at what dumars did with his cap space, but then you have to remember that he's not going to be the one calling the shots anymore. joe tried way too hard to make the sexy signings thinking that he could weasel his way back into contention.

what we need to do is make the correct signing, not the splashy one. look at what goldenstate is doing with iggy. he's only had 1 all star appearance in his career, but they're paying him top dollar to play the perfect role for them. that's what we need to do with hayward. we'll have the luxury of having up to 3 high-impact players on rookie deals for the next few season (drummond, KCP, 8th pick,) so we'll have some extra money to use on FA.

that's just my $0.02

[sc8581]

$26 million for who? Carmelo Anthony or LeBron James aren't coming to Detroit to use up that cap space. You could use it on restricted free agents like Gordon Hayward, but he's never even sniffed an all-star appearance in 4 years, is he worth a max contract offer?

Yes, your trade opened up cap space. But, cap space does not equate to a better team. Look what Dumars did last summer with cap space.

cap space doesn't automatically make a team better, but a capped out team has no chance to improve. sure, you can look at what dumars did with his cap space, but then you have to remember that he's not going to be the one calling the shots anymore. joe tried way too hard to make the sexy signings thinking that he could weasel his way back into contention.

what we need to do is make the correct signing, not the splashy one. look at what goldenstate is doing with iggy. he's only had 1 all star appearance in his career, but they're paying him top dollar to play the perfect role for them. that's what we need to do with hayward. we'll have the luxury of having up to 3 high-impact players on rookie deals for the next few season (drummond, KCP, 8th pick,) so we'll have some extra money to use on FA.

that's just my $0.02

Exactly, leaving us with a need at PF and PG, hopefully either Smart or Noah fall to us and whichever position we don't fill through the draft we still have decent enough cap space to find somebody solid in free agency. If we draft Smart Hayward likely runs the point quite a bit, just thought I would throw that in lol.

[ImHeisenberg]

$26 million for who? Carmelo Anthony or LeBron James aren't coming to Detroit to use up that cap space. You could use it on restricted free agents like Gordon Hayward, but he's never even sniffed an all-star appearance in 4 years, is he worth a max contract offer?

Yes, your trade opened up cap space. But, cap space does not equate to a better team. Look what Dumars did last summer with cap space.

cap space doesn't automatically make a team better, but a capped out team has no chance to improve. sure, you can look at what dumars did with his cap space, but then you have to remember that he's not going to be the one calling the shots anymore. joe tried way too hard to make the sexy signings thinking that he could weasel his way back into contention.

what we need to do is make the correct signing, not the splashy one. look at what goldenstate is doing with iggy. he's only had 1 all star appearance in his career, but they're paying him top dollar to play the perfect role for them. that's what we need to do with hayward. we'll have the luxury of having up to 3 high-impact players on rookie deals for the next few season (drummond, KCP, 8th pick,) so we'll have some extra money to use on FA.

that's just my $0.02

According to the plan I referenced, they trade Drummond in an effort to create that cap space. So, you DO NOT have 3 high impact rookies. You have 2 at best.

[jakebernat]

$26 million for who? Carmelo Anthony or LeBron James aren't coming to Detroit to use up that cap space. You could use it on restricted free agents like Gordon Hayward, but he's never even sniffed an all-star appearance in 4 years, is he worth a max contract offer?

Yes, your trade opened up cap space. But, cap space does not equate to a better team. Look what Dumars did last summer with cap space.

cap space doesn't automatically make a team better, but a capped out team has no chance to improve. sure, you can look at what dumars did with his cap space, but then you have to remember that he's not going to be the one calling the shots anymore. joe tried way too hard to make the sexy signings thinking that he could weasel his way back into contention.

what we need to do is make the correct signing, not the splashy one. look at what goldenstate is doing with iggy. he's only had 1 all star appearance in his career, but they're paying him top dollar to play the perfect role for them. that's what we need to do with hayward. we'll have the luxury of having up to 3 high-impact players on rookie deals for the next few season (drummond, KCP, 8th pick,) so we'll have some extra money to use on FA.

that's just my $0.02

Exactly, leaving us with a need at PF and PG, hopefully either Smart or Noah fall to us and whichever position we don't fill through the draft we still have decent enough cap space to find somebody solid in free agency. If we draft Smart Hayward likely runs the point quite a bit, just thought I would throw that in lol.

agreed. the offense would likely run through both hayward and monroe to take the pressure off of smart, which would obviously be ideal. realistically, in smart's first year, i think he'd be best off by working on his mid-range game (1-2 dribble pull-ups off P&R, change of speed/direction to get closer to the basket, etc.). his 3-point game may never be great, but he can really help himself out by working on his in-between game similarly to the way stuckey did.

also, i'm a huge fan of initiating offenses through the post, especially when you have the luxury of having a 6'4 freight train of a PG. i hope whoever coaches smart utilizes that part of his game.

[jakebernat]

$26 million for who? Carmelo Anthony or LeBron James aren't coming to Detroit to use up that cap space. You could use it on restricted free agents like Gordon Hayward, but he's never even sniffed an all-star appearance in 4 years, is he worth a max contract offer?

Yes, your trade opened up cap space. But, cap space does not equate to a better team. Look what Dumars did last summer with cap space.

cap space doesn't automatically make a team better, but a capped out team has no chance to improve. sure, you can look at what dumars did with his cap space, but then you have to remember that he's not going to be the one calling the shots anymore. joe tried way too hard to make the sexy signings thinking that he could weasel his way back into contention.

what we need to do is make the correct signing, not the splashy one. look at what goldenstate is doing with iggy. he's only had 1 all star appearance in his career, but they're paying him top dollar to play the perfect role for them. that's what we need to do with hayward. we'll have the luxury of having up to 3 high-impact players on rookie deals for the next few season (drummond, KCP, 8th pick,) so we'll have some extra money to use on FA.

that's just my $0.02

According to the plan I referenced, they trade Drummond in an effort to create that cap space. So, you DO NOT have 3 high impact rookies. You have 2 at best.

well that's silly. i think we can all agree that drummond is going no where. irregardless of that fact, my points still stand.

[sc8581]

cap space doesn't automatically make a team better, but a capped out team has no chance to improve. sure, you can look at what dumars did with his cap space, but then you have to remember that he's not going to be the one calling the shots anymore. joe tried way too hard to make the sexy signings thinking that he could weasel his way back into contention.

what we need to do is make the correct signing, not the splashy one. look at what goldenstate is doing with iggy. he's only had 1 all star appearance in his career, but they're paying him top dollar to play the perfect role for them. that's what we need to do with hayward. we'll have the luxury of having up to 3 high-impact players on rookie deals for the next few season (drummond, KCP, 8th pick,) so we'll have some extra money to use on FA.

that's just my $0.02

Exactly, leaving us with a need at PF and PG, hopefully either Smart or Noah fall to us and whichever position we don't fill through the draft we still have decent enough cap space to find somebody solid in free agency. If we draft Smart Hayward likely runs the point quite a bit, just thought I would throw that in lol.

agreed. the offense would likely run through both hayward and monroe to take the pressure off of smart, which would obviously be ideal. realistically, in smart's first year, i think he'd be best off by working on his mid-range game (1-2 dribble pull-ups off P&R, change of speed/direction to get closer to the basket, etc.). his 3-point game may never be great, but he can really help himself out by working on his in-between game similarly to the way stuckey did.

also, i'm a huge fan of initiating offenses through the post, especially when you have the luxury of having a 6'4 freight train of a PG. i hope whoever coaches smart utilizes that part of his game.

We can't sign both of these guys, I'm taking Hayward over Monroe all day.

[coolness]

According to the plan I referenced, they trade Drummond in an effort to create that cap space. So, you DO NOT have 3 high impact rookies. You have 2 at best.

Since KCP counts, I guess that means rookie deals. So throw-on the 4th and Burke to make 4 at worst.

[Laimbeer]

If you trade for the four and Burke - and the top three go according to form - the best prospects left are points and fours. And assuming we match on Monroe, those would be two positions of strength. Unless we're thinking Monroe is a center and plays with Vonleh or Randle.

[sc8581]

If you trade for the four and Burke - and the top three go according to form - the best prospects left are points and fours. And assuming we match on Monroe, those would be two positions of strength.

Did you just call Burke a strength? lol

[coolness]

If you trade for the four and Burke - and the top three go according to form - the best prospects left are points and fours. And assuming we match on Monroe, those would be two positions of strength.

True. But I wanted to trade back in my original post. Get different positions/roles covered. Cap space should fill needs too. Monroe can obviously play the 5 tho.

[Laimbeer]

If you trade for the four and Burke - and the top three go according to form - the best prospects left are points and fours. And assuming we match on Monroe, those would be two positions of strength.

True. But I wanted to trade back in my original post. Get different positions/roles covered. Cap space should fill needs too. Monroe can obviously play the 5 tho.

True, was just editing my post as you posted this.

But do Vonleh or Randle + Burke = Drummond? An easy no for me.

[jakebernat]

Exactly, leaving us with a need at PF and PG, hopefully either Smart or Noah fall to us and whichever position we don't fill through the draft we still have decent enough cap space to find somebody solid in free agency. If we draft Smart Hayward likely runs the point quite a bit, just thought I would throw that in lol.

agreed. the offense would likely run through both hayward and monroe to take the pressure off of smart, which would obviously be ideal. realistically, in smart's first year, i think he'd be best off by working on his mid-range game (1-2 dribble pull-ups off P&R, change of speed/direction to get closer to the basket, etc.). his 3-point game may never be great, but he can really help himself out by working on his in-between game similarly to the way stuckey did.

also, i'm a huge fan of initiating offenses through the post, especially when you have the luxury of having a 6'4 freight train of a PG. i hope whoever coaches smart utilizes that part of his game.

We can't sign both of these guys, I'm taking Hayward over Monroe all day.

if jerebko opts out and we find a way to save money on smennings, then we would theoretically have the money to sign both. There's also the chance that we get forced into a monroe sign-and-trade, which might not be the worst thing in the world.

ryan anderson, morrow, and withey for moose would be a decent package, especially if we signed away hayward.

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[ImHeisenberg]

well that's silly. i think we can all agree that drummond is going no where. irregardless of that fact, my points still stand.

I'll agree with you there. But, there is someone who would be in favor of trading Drummond while unloading Smith and Jennings for Trey Burke and Utah's pick.

[ImHeisenberg]

According to the plan I referenced, they trade Drummond in an effort to create that cap space. So, you DO NOT have 3 high impact rookies. You have 2 at best.

Since KCP counts, I guess that means rookie deals. So throw-on the 4th and Burke to make 4 at worst.

Burke's an impact player?

[coolness]

According to the plan I referenced, they trade Drummond in an effort to create that cap space. So, you DO NOT have 3 high impact rookies. You have 2 at best.

Since KCP counts, I guess that means rookie deals. So throw-on the 4th and Burke to make 4 at worst.

Burke's an impact player?

as much as KCP, 4th and 8th.

[ImHeisenberg]

TO TORONTO:
Josh Smith
Andre Drummond
Throw in Rodney Stuckey
maybe even Jonas Jerebko

TO DETROIT
Quincy Acy
A big trade exception

That's a ridiculous trade. Drummond for essentially nothing?

Now, if you want Smith for that trade exception, we're in business. Can't trade Stuckey, he's a UFA.

[rmfc]

Friendly request: Don't ever make a "Trade Drummond" thread/post.