2013-14 Player of the Year Discussion Thread

E-Balla · Post #101 » by **E-Balla** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:44 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:
GSP wrote:
GC Pantalones wrote:Paul didn't have a 30 PER iirc.

On bball ref it says he had a 30 Per in 09..................

It does. But if you use the Season Finder search function and set it to 30 PER >= and 1500 MP >=, he doesn't show up. The lowest PER over 30 is Shaq with 30.2 in 01. Paul's player page says 30.0 PER. BBref disagrees with itself.

29.96. Rounds up.

Destructor · Post #102 » by **Destructor** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:37 pm

GC Pantalones wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:
GSP wrote:On bball ref it says he had a 30 Per in 09..................

It does. But if you use the Season Finder search function and set it to 30 PER >= and 1500 MP >=, he doesn't show up. The lowest PER over 30 is Shaq with 30.2 in 01. Paul's player page says 30.0 PER. BBref disagrees with itself.

29.96. Rounds up.

you shouldn't round up with PER

SideshowBob · Post #103 » by **SideshowBob** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:37 am

ronnymac2 wrote:
SideshowBob wrote:Premlinary Ballot

Spoiler:
1. Lebron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Chris Paul
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Blake Griffin
6. Lamarcus Aldridge
7. Stephen Curry
8. Kevin Love
9. Dwight Howard
10. James Harden
11. Paul George
12. Andre Iguodala
13. Carmelo Anthony
14. Roy Hibbert
15. Manu Ginobili

What a stacked year. That middle cluster is really tight and there's a huge number of guys on my mind that do fit into the bottom section (Noah's somewhere on here, Lillard deserves consideration, Thompson, Wall, Beal, etc.).

Where do you have DeAndre Jordan?

Full DIsclosure: I'm high on DJ, and I can't for the life of me fathom how Roy Hibbert is on any top-15 list.
Full Disclosure #2: I've said Hibbert is way overrated long before this season even started.

Really interested where DJ ranks for you currently. I think if he stays on track and continues getting a little better, he can basically be a better version of prime Tyson Chandler with superior health/MPG for 7 or 8 seasons. I think this one the first year in that string of 7 or 8 seasons.

Hibbert falls if I throw in a couple guys I missed (Noah, Davis, Jordan-I know Doc's been high on him for a while now, maybe low teens?). I like the Chandler comparison, that fits IMO. How do you see the two of them defensively?

Duncan/Parker I'd have close to Manu; I think he's better than either of them per-minute but I can see either of them argued overall.

sp6r=underrated · Post #104 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:50 am

Manu should not be top 15. A player needs to actually be on the court for a significant amount of time. Wade despite missing 28 games was on the court more than Manu. If you take his total minutes played and divide it by 80 he was the equivalent of a 19 mpg player. He just didn't play enough to warrant consideration.

ardee · Post #105 » by **ardee** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:53 am

In the somewhat possible event that the Clippers win the title, who do you see being the primary catalyst? Blake or Chris?

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GSP · Post #106 » by **GSP** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:19 pm

ardee wrote:In the somewhat possible event that the Clippers win the title, who do you see being the primary catalyst? Blake or Chris?

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We have to see how they play. I thought Cp3 was def better in the regular season despite missed games but Blake has been their Mvp in the playoff so far. But he also has to deal with alot less defensively (no Bogut) compared to Cp3 whos going up against Iggy and Klay

Woodsanity · Post #107 » by **Woodsanity** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:28 pm

GSP wrote:
ardee wrote:In the somewhat possible event that the Clippers win the title, who do you see being the primary catalyst? Blake or Chris?

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We have to see how they play. I thought Cp3 was def better in the regular season despite missed games but Blake has been their Mvp in the playoff so far. But he also has to deal with alot less defensively (no Bogut) compared to Cp3 whos going up against Iggy and Klay

Pretty much this.

HeartBreakKid · Post #108 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:30 pm

ardee wrote:In the somewhat possible event that the Clippers win the title, who do you see being the primary catalyst? Blake or Chris?

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Blake is the catalyst for beating the Warriors, but to go all the way to the title I'd assume Chris would have to play at an extremely high level.

If they go up against the Grizzlies, then we'll really see. Blake has gotten his ass whooped by Memphis and for good reason, we'll see if his improvement is enough to play good against those giants.

Sebastian · Post #109 » by **Sebastian** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:37 pm

I would like to hear the case for LMA as a top 2 PF. I can't imagine slotting him ahead of Blake, Dirk, Davis or Love unless Portland has a minimum two-series playoff run in which he continues his current level of play (very unlikely). Are you guys just giving him a boost because of games 1 and 2?

HeartBreakKid · Post #110 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:41 pm

Sebastian wrote:I would like to hear the case for LMA as a top 2 PF. I can't imagine slotting him ahead of Blake, Dirk, Davis or Love unless Portland has a minimum two-series playoff run in which he continues his current level of play (very unlikely). Are you guys just giving him a boost because of games 1 and 2?

Yeah, his playoff run has a lot to do with it. I think it is reasonable if LMA continues to dominate the playoffs that he can be considered the best power forward. During the RS I had him at 4th.

ronnymac2 · Post #111 » by **ronnymac2** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:42 pm

SideshowBob wrote:Hibbert falls if I throw in a couple guys I missed (Noah, Davis, Jordan-I know Doc's been high on him for a while now, maybe low teens?). I like the Chandler comparison, that fits IMO. How do you see the two of them defensively?

Duncan/Parker I'd have close to Manu; I think he's better than either of them per-minute but I can see either of them argued overall.

I think DeAndre will end up being better defensively as he gains experience. Still picks up ticky-tack fouls at times (though he's been impressive at limiting fouls in general given the massive increase in minutes he's had this season compared to any time in his career). Occasionally is wild about getting after defensive rebounds instead of boxing out.

I think he'll end up being Tyson defensively but with a better motor for bigger minutes, and with the added ability to effectively man the paint against brute strength players like Drummond, Howard, Bogut, etc. Back in 2011, Tyson also had Haywood, who could come in and battle powerful players. That's never been Tyson's strength. I think DeAndre can be a shut-down pick-and-roll defender AND slow the super giants.

To be quite honest, Jordan was a legitimate contender for DPOY in my eyes this year, and I think he'll win one or two in the coming years.

HeartBreakKid · Post #112 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:45 pm

Jordan made huge leaps and bounds as a player, but I was more impressed by his offensive improvement.

Defensively, I am glad the guy is looking to dominate and grab those boards, but he is still very undisciplined and his IQ is questionable.

I think Jordan might be one of Doc River's best cases for winning COY. I can't see Jordan doing this under Del Negro.

Post #113 » by **Doctor MJ** » Thu May 1, 2014 1:47 am

Destructor wrote:
GC Pantalones wrote:29.96. Rounds up.

you shouldn't round up with PER

So you're saying you want b-r to implement a customized rounding scheme that rounds down where all other mathematics says to do otherwise?

Well at least you're not asking for much.

Post #114 » by **Doctor MJ** » Thu May 1, 2014 1:52 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:Jordan made huge leaps and bounds as a player, but I was more impressed by his offensive improvement.

Defensively, I am glad the guy is looking to dominate and grab those boards, but he is still very undisciplined and his IQ is questionable.

I think Jordan might be one of Doc River's best cases for winning COY. I can't see Jordan doing this under Del Negro.

If the Clippers were to win the title this year, or even come very close, it's going to really cement Doc's status as a legend.

The success in Boston clearly made Doc a "made man" in coaching circles, and hence the extreme measures taken by the Clippers to acquire his services. However, had (and if) the Clippers take no step clear step forward under him, in the end nobody is talking about him as a coach to remember. It's just a little to obvious that his one great success prior to this year came based on a defense designed by Thibodeau who showed he could do the same thing in another city with ease (even with ridiculous variations of injuries).

JordansBulls · Post #115 » by **JordansBulls** » Thu May 1, 2014 2:10 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:Jordan made huge leaps and bounds as a player, but I was more impressed by his offensive improvement.

Defensively, I am glad the guy is looking to dominate and grab those boards, but he is still very undisciplined and his IQ is questionable.

I think Jordan might be one of Doc River's best cases for winning COY. I can't see Jordan doing this under Del Negro.

If the Clippers were to win the title this year, or even come very close, it's going to really cement Doc's status as a legend.

Do you really think the Clippers can win it this year though?

Colbinii · Post #116 » by **Colbinii** » Thu May 1, 2014 2:27 am

JordansBulls wrote:Do you really think the Clippers can win it this year though?

If you have 2 top 5 players in the NBA playoffs and a defensive anchor like DJ you have a chance to win it, yes.

Post #117 » by **Doctor MJ** » Thu May 1, 2014 2:34 am

JordansBulls wrote:Do you really think the Clippers can win it this year though?

I'm not saying I'm betting on it, just talking possibilities.

I have to say though while I don't see them as the favorite, I certainly see it as a possibility. And let's just look at the facts:

They had the 3rd best record in the regular season and the 2nd best SRS. Any team like that is a contender.

Realistically I think we all rated Miami ahead of Clippers as well so drop them down to 4th most likely contender.

OKC is looking extremely vulnerable right now. Given the Clippers are looking stronger and already had the SRS edge, I'd be inclined to rank them ahead of OKC at the moment.

The Spurs maintain the #1 spot currently in the West, but would anyone be shocked to see them upset in the West? I doubt it. And if they are then, the Clippers are right there (maybe as the one's doing the upset). Although how big of an upset would it be really? Very clearly they have the two best players in the series and a system that uses them well. Typically you win series like that.

Now, most definitely the overall favorite is Miami, but I doubt anyone is sitting here thinking Miami is a lock to win the title. Things can happen, and Miami has literally never won it all without some serious scares.

E-Balla · Post #118 » by **E-Balla** » Thu May 1, 2014 2:34 am

Colbinii wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:Do you really think the Clippers can win it this year though?

If you have 2 top 5 players in the NBA playoffs and a defensive anchor like DJ you have a chance to win it, yes.

I don't think they have a chance at the title but a week contested WCF isn't out of the question.

Colbinii · Post #119 » by **Colbinii** » Thu May 1, 2014 2:36 am

GC Pantalones wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:Do you really think the Clippers can win it this year though?

If you have 2 top 5 players in the NBA playoffs and a defensive anchor like DJ you have a chance to win it, yes.

I don't think they have a chance at the title but a week contested WCF isn't out of the question.

I don't think they have a large chance, but they have a chance, however slim it may be. If CP3 and Griffin perform at their best I don't see who is going to beat them in the WCF besides Memphis.

E-Balla · Post #120 » by **E-Balla** » Thu May 1, 2014 2:37 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:Do you really think the Clippers can win it this year though?

I'm not saying I'm betting on it, just talking possibilities.

I have to say though while I don't see them as the favorite, I certainly see it as a possibility. And let's just look at the facts:

They had the 3rd best record in the regular season and the 2nd best SRS. Any team like that is a contender.

Realistically I think we all rated Miami ahead of Clippers as well so drop them down to 4th most likely contender.

OKC is looking extremely vulnerable right now. Given the Clippers are looking stronger and already had the SRS edge, I'd be inclined to rank them ahead of OKC at the moment.

The Spurs maintain the #1 spot currently in the West, but would anyone be shocked to see them upset in the West? I doubt it. And if they are then, the Clippers are right there (maybe as the one's doing the upset). Although how big of an upset would it be really? Very clearly they have the two best players in the series and a system that uses them well. Typically you win series like that.

Now, most definitely the overall favorite is Miami, but I doubt anyone is sitting here thinking Miami is a lock to win the title. Things can happen, and Miami has literally never won it all without some serious scares.

No mention of Memphis? 56 wins last year and they were on a 56 win pace when Marc played this year. Not to mention the amazing defensively play against OKC so far (and the clutch play).