Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread

[mrknowitall215]

I don't think we've reached the ceiling of Alfense yet, upgrading Hendo with a 3pt shooter would improve spacing and keep defenses from crowding Al so much. Our overall team success is pretty close to being maxed out though since there is only so much you can do to improve Al's P&R defense.

This almost read like you're a proponent of Al Jefferson. I'm surprised. However, I think 'Alfense' should be a second line of offense after pushing the tempo. This roster is built around players that can run & thrive in transition, and it's obvious that both Kemba & MKG took a hit production-wise from not being able to play to their strengths

[JDR720]

I can't begin to comprehend the dislike for Al Jefferson that some of us have. I understand that Jefferson's defense can be frustrating, but during the second half of the season when he was healthy he did far more damage to the opposing team's defense than what was done to the Bobcat's defense by relentlessly attacking him via pick-and-roll. I think this may be the first time Jefferson has played with selfless teammates with good character around the board, and that may be the difference in his give-and-take production correlating to wins

Al Jefferson > Paul Millsap

I dont think anyone dislikes Al, they just dislike that we got him here at the wrong time to them and could've done better

[BeesWax]

I can't begin to comprehend the dislike for Al Jefferson that some of us have. I understand that Jefferson's defense can be frustrating, but during the second half of the season when he was healthy he did far more damage to the opposing team's defense than what was done to the Bobcat's defense by relentlessly attacking him via pick-and-roll. I think this may be the first time Jefferson has played with selfless teammates with good character around the board, and that may be the difference in his give-and-take production correlating to wins

Al Jefferson > Paul Millsap

I dont think anyone dislikes Al, they just dislike that we got him here at the wrong time to them and could've done better

Exactly. He did not fit the rebuild or the pieces we had. He could have been a great fit somewhere is a great offensive player just not right for this team with these players. At 28 to rebuild an entire team to fit this guy because by the time you get it set he won't be able to play at this level anymore.

[mrknowitall215]

Al is far better on offense but a liability on defense and Milsap can play both ways, hit the three and rebound.

Millsap is a average defender at best, and as you've stated not near the offensive talent as Jefferson. I think signing Millsap would've been a decent signing, but signing Jefferson was the better signing (outside of the fact that Biyombo got lost in the rotation)

[BeesWax]

Al is far better on offense but a liability on defense and Milsap can play both ways, hit the three and rebound.

Millsap is a average defender at best, and as you've stated not near the offensive talent as Jefferson. I think signing Millsap would've been a decent signing, but signing Jefferson was the better signing (outside of the fact that Biyombo got lost in the rotation)

Jefferson got 4 million more a year and Milsap can run (something Al can't so at all) and hit threes. He would have helped spread the floor and do what we needed. They are different and Milsap is better at the offense we needed to add. Being able to use the extra money to fill holes would have made us a better team too.

[mrknowitall215]

I can't begin to comprehend the dislike for Al Jefferson that some of us have. I understand that Jefferson's defense can be frustrating, but during the second half of the season when he was healthy he did far more damage to the opposing team's defense than what was done to the Bobcat's defense by relentlessly attacking him via pick-and-roll. I think this may be the first time Jefferson has played with selfless teammates with good character around the board, and that may be the difference in his give-and-take production correlating to wins

Al Jefferson > Paul Millsap

I dont think anyone dislikes Al, they just dislike that we got him here at the wrong time to them and could've done better

Dislike, discontent, disdain, or whatever you want to call it, it's obvious that some of us preferred another option, and I don't think there was a better signing on the free agency market than Jefferson. Signing Millsap would've left this team outside of the playoffs, a late lottery pick, and not much to look forward to in the future but hope like the previous years

[mrknowitall215]

Al is far better on offense but a liability on defense and Milsap can play both ways, hit the three and rebound.

Millsap is a average defender at best, and as you've stated not near the offensive talent as Jefferson. I think signing Millsap would've been a decent signing, but signing Jefferson was the better signing (outside of the fact that Biyombo got lost in the rotation)

Jefferson got 4 million more a year and Milsap can run (something Al can't so at all) and hit threes. He would have helped spread the floor and do what we needed. They are different and Milsap is better at the offense we needed to add. Being able to use the extra money to fill holes would have made us a better team too.

What player would you have recommended with the extra $4 million?

[BeesWax]

I can't begin to comprehend the dislike for Al Jefferson that some of us have. I understand that Jefferson's defense can be frustrating, but during the second half of the season when he was healthy he did far more damage to the opposing team's defense than what was done to the Bobcat's defense by relentlessly attacking him via pick-and-roll. I think this may be the first time Jefferson has played with selfless teammates with good character around the board, and that may be the difference in his give-and-take production correlating to wins

Al Jefferson > Paul Millsap

I dont think anyone dislikes Al, they just dislike that we got him here at the wrong time to them and could've done better

Dislike, discontent, disdain, or whatever you want to call it, it's obvious that some of us preferred another option, and I don't think there was a better signing on the free agency market than Jefferson. Signing Millsap would've left this team outside of the playoffs, a late lottery pick, and not much to look forward to in the future but hope like the previous years

Milsap puts us in the playoffs because we get to add other pieces too and we have a brighter future because our offense is not completely dependent on one player because he can't play like the rest of the team.

[JDR720]

I dont think anyone dislikes Al, they just dislike that we got him here at the wrong time to them and could've done better

Dislike, discontent, disdain, or whatever you want to call it, it's obvious that some of us preferred another option, and I don't think there was a better signing on the free agency market than Jefferson. Signing Millsap would've left this team outside of the playoffs, a late lottery pick, and not much to look forward to in the future but hope like the previous years

Milsap puts us in the playoffs because we get to add other pieces too and we have a brighter future because our offense is not completely dependent on one player because he can't play like the rest of the team.

maybe true, Paul makes 4mill less than Al that can be a Gerald replacement and he can play quicker than Al

[BeesWax]

Millsap is a average defender at best, and as you've stated not near the offensive talent as Jefferson. I think signing Millsap would've been a decent signing, but signing Jefferson was the better signing (outside of the fact that Biyombo got lost in the rotation)

Jefferson got 4 million more a year and Milsap can run (something Al can't so at all) and hit threes. He would have helped spread the floor and do what we needed. They are different and Milsap is better at the offense we needed to add. Being able to use the extra money to fill holes would have made us a better team too.

What player would you have recommended with the extra $4 million?

With what we had I would have gotten Hickson to supplement the middle and pair with Biz at C. Add to that Milsap and we have a better team than we ended up with. I would have rather had a trio of Milsap, Dunleavy and Hickson over Al and Hendo.

[mrknowitall215]

With what we had I would have gotten Hickson to supplement the middle and pair with Biz at C. Add to that Milsap and we have a better team than we ended up with. I would have rather had a trio of Milsap, Dunleavy and Hickson over Al and Hendo.

That team would've been sub .500 like the 2013-14 Cleveland Cavaliers

[JDR720]

With what we had I would have gotten Hickson to supplement the middle and pair with Biz at C. Add to that Milsap and we have a better team than we ended up with. I would have rather had a trio of Milsap, Dunleavy and Hickson over Al and Hendo.

That team would've been sub .500 like the 2013-14 Cleveland Cavaliers

not in the East....and that might have been a playoff team anyway like ATL

[BeesWax]

With what we had I would have gotten Hickson to supplement the middle and pair with Biz at C. Add to that Milsap and we have a better team than we ended up with. I would have rather had a trio of Milsap, Dunleavy and Hickson over Al and Hendo.

That team would've been sub .500 like the 2013-14 Cleveland Cavaliers

Whatever. It would be better and more promising then this stagnant team. Unless we play Al less and expand the offense we are in for first round exits or no play offs for the rest of his time here.

I would take my team over yours any day.

Kemba Kemba
Dunleavy Hendo
MKG MKG
Milsap McRoberts
Hickson Al

I still have McBob on the bench to facilitate with the second unit and spent less on my three than you did on your two.

[mrknowitall215]

If Charlotte doesn't go on that post All-Star break tear with Jefferson and the 'spacing' group, this current team probably doesn't even finish above .500

[Liver_Pooty]

Biyombo gets praised on here like hes the next Ben Wallace while people keep trying to think of reasons to put down Jefferson.

[HornetJail]

Jefferson got 4 million more a year and Milsap can run (something Al can't so at all) and hit threes. He would have helped spread the floor and do what we needed. They are different and Milsap is better at the offense we needed to add. Being able to use the extra money to fill holes would have made us a better team too.

What player would you have recommended with the extra $4 million?

With what we had I would have gotten Hickson to supplement the middle and pair with Biz at C. Add to that Milsap and we have a better team than we ended up with. I would have rather had a trio of Milsap, Dunleavy and Hickson over Al and Hendo.

Hickson/Millsap/MKG/Dunleavy/Kemba may not even beat the dysfunctional Pistons this season. That lineup makes no sense given how terrible Hickson is. We'd probably have the 8th pick this year, with Detroit giving us the 9th pick. We probably win 30 games at best. Undersized, no go-to guy except Kemba, worse defense (Hickson is a REALLY bad defensive player and dumb as a rock)... that would've been a horrible, horrible team. Al added a good 10-15 wins to this team this year if you ask me.

[BeesWax]

What player would you have recommended with the extra $4 million?

With what we had I would have gotten Hickson to supplement the middle and pair with Biz at C. Add to that Milsap and we have a better team than we ended up with. I would have rather had a trio of Milsap, Dunleavy and Hickson over Al and Hendo.

Hickson/Millsap/MKG/Dunleavy/Kemba may not even beat the dysfunctional Pistons this season. That lineup makes no sense given how terrible Hickson is. We'd probably have the 8th pick this year, with Detroit giving us the 9th pick. We probably win 30 games at best. Undersized, no go-to guy except Kemba, worse defense (Hickson is a REALLY bad defensive player and dumb as a rock)... that would've been a horrible, horrible team. Al added a good 10-15 wins to this team this year if you ask me.

Funny how it is better then our current team and yet somehow only wins 30 games.

[HornetJail]

With what we had I would have gotten Hickson to supplement the middle and pair with Biz at C. Add to that Milsap and we have a better team than we ended up with. I would have rather had a trio of Milsap, Dunleavy and Hickson over Al and Hendo.

Hickson/Millsap/MKG/Dunleavy/Kemba may not even beat the dysfunctional Pistons this season. That lineup makes no sense given how terrible Hickson is. We'd probably have the 8th pick this year, with Detroit giving us the 9th pick. We probably win 30 games at best. Undersized, no go-to guy except Kemba, worse defense (Hickson is a REALLY bad defensive player and dumb as a rock)... that would've been a horrible, horrible team. Al added a good 10-15 wins to this team this year if you ask me.

Funny how it is better then our current team and yet somehow only wins 30 games.

How the **** is Hickson/Millsap/MKG/Dunleavy/Kemba better than Al/McRoberts/MKG/Hendo/Kemba? I have just explained why Hickson is absolutely horrendous. Do I really need to tell you that Al+Hendo is better than Millsap+Dunleavy?

[BeesWax]

Hickson/Millsap/MKG/Dunleavy/Kemba may not even beat the dysfunctional Pistons this season. That lineup makes no sense given how terrible Hickson is. We'd probably have the 8th pick this year, with Detroit giving us the 9th pick. We probably win 30 games at best. Undersized, no go-to guy except Kemba, worse defense (Hickson is a REALLY bad defensive player and dumb as a rock)... that would've been a horrible, horrible team. Al added a good 10-15 wins to this team this year if you ask me.

Funny how it is better then our current team and yet somehow only wins 30 games.

How the **** is Hickson/Millsap/MKG/Dunleavy/Kemba better than Al/McRoberts/MKG/Hendo/Kemba? I have just explained why Hickson is absolutely horrendous. Do I really need to tell you that Al+Hendo is better than Millsap+Dunleavy?

If you want to lie to yourself you can. Milsap, Hickson and Dunleavy are better fits for the rest of your roster. You can pretend Al was right but he really wasn't.

[yosemiteben]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone disagree that if Al were fully healthy and integrated into this team from the beginning of last season that we would have been the three seed?