PG: We Battled

[Cold Logic]

Raps don't win this game if it wasn't for Lowry's flopping. He put on a flopping master class display tonight.

Come on guys, stop complaining about calls, we lost because we put ourselves in a 26 point hole.

My first post on the Nets forums. I like you. Non biased and see things as they are. Just like myself. I agree that lowry flops. Love his heart though.

Flop = falling on purpose when there was no contact/very little contact

Charging = A player running into another player who has his feet set outside the restricted area.

It's part of the game, and Lowry is the best in the league at it. He reads plays very very well, and gets into the right position very quickly. Guy puts his body on the line every game, got to give credit to him. Toughness + talent = Kyle Lowry.

I would be super annoyed if Lowry was doing this against my team but I think he should be given more credit than being dismissed as a flopper.

[AWillFan20]

I dunno how you guys complain about flopping when in reality every player flops... Lowry is #1 during the regular season in charges taken in the NBA, ofcourse he's going to get his...

Exactly, the numbers are actually staggering in how many charges he takes in comparison to other players. He's only 6'0 tall too which people have to remember. I definitely would NOT call Lowry a complete flopper, but I do know he will get some closer calls because of his reputation.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2034 ... sive-fouls

If Nets players had been taking charges and sacrificing their bodies the entire season perhaps they would be getting the benefit of these kinds of calls... but they didn't.

Now this all being said, Lowry has done nothing as bad as:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s2t_O6p3js

[AWillFan20]

Didn't realize it in live action because the whole damn sequence was so hectic, but Livingston clearly got fouled on the rebound:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIhG8E1GpN0[/youtube]

Potential game deciding call there, would have been two free throws to tie. So much for NBA/refs wanting us to win.

Nah, there's no way that is a foul. Derozan was running straight forward and livingston was behind him. It was a play on situation where both players were going for the ball and both collided in a loose ball situation.

Watch the replay at 0:46. Livingston gets to the ball first with BOTH hands, and then DeRozan collides into him mid air, causing him to go off balance and crash to the floor.

It all happens very fast, and I guess, it is a bang bang play, but it's still a foul in hindsight.

Whatever helps you sleep at night...

I see two players going for a rebound, one who is in front of the other.... Livingston came from behind.. if anything that looked more like an over-the-back foul (even tho it isn't) than trying to call Demar for one.

[NyCeEvO]

They're not going to call that at that point in the game.

There were so many things going on that I didn't even notice that. All I saw was Blatche 1) run away when he had the opportunity to take a closer shot and 2) throw the worst pass to D-Will I've seen in ages.

His pass was the perfect symbol of us last night. He literally threw any chance we had away.

Not blaming the refs one bit for that.

[kerry kittles]

Come on guys, stop complaining about calls, we lost because we put ourselves in a 26 point hole.

My first post on the Nets forums. I like you. Non biased and see things as they are. Just like myself. I agree that lowry flops. Love his heart though.

Flop = falling on purpose when there was no contact/very little contact

Charging = A player running into another player who has his feet set outside the restricted area.

It's part of the game, and Lowry is the best in the league at it. He reads plays very very well, and gets into the right position very quickly. Guy puts his body on the line every game, got to give credit to him. Toughness + talent = Kyle Lowry.

I would be super annoyed if Lowry was doing this against my team but I think he should be given more credit than being dismissed as a flopper.

"Flopping" will be defined as any physical act that appears to have been intended to cause the referees to call a foul on another player. The primary factor in determining whether a player committed a flop is whether his physical reaction to contact with another player is inconsistent with what would reasonably be expected given the force or direction of the contact.

Source: http://www.nba.com/2012/news/10/03/anti ... index.html

Does Lowry fit that definition? Yes, he does. He's trying to get the ref to call a foul on another player meets criteria B. his physical reaction to contact is inconsistent he meets criteria B. A 6 foot 205 pound bulldog that flails on jumpers and falls over at the slightest contact is inconsistent with what one would expect

[Cold Logic]

My first post on the Nets forums. I like you. Non biased and see things as they are. Just like myself. I agree that lowry flops. Love his heart though.

Flop = falling on purpose when there was no contact/very little contact

Charging = A player running into another player who has his feet set outside the restricted area.

It's part of the game, and Lowry is the best in the league at it. He reads plays very very well, and gets into the right position very quickly. Guy puts his body on the line every game, got to give credit to him. Toughness + talent = Kyle Lowry.

I would be super annoyed if Lowry was doing this against my team but I think he should be given more credit than being dismissed as a flopper.

"Flopping" will be defined as any physical act that appears to have been intended to cause the referees to call a foul on another player. The primary factor in determining whether a player committed a flop is whether his physical reaction to contact with another player is inconsistent with what would reasonably be expected given the force or direction of the contact.

Source: http://www.nba.com/2012/news/10/03/anti ... index.html

Does Lowry fit that definition? Yes, he does. He's trying to get the ref to call a foul on another player meets criteria B. his physical reaction to contact is inconsistent he meets criteria B. A 6 foot 205 pound bulldog that flails on jumpers and falls over at the slightest contact is inconsistent with what one would expect

This is the key line "The primary factor in determining whether a player committed a flop is whether his physical reaction to contact with another player is inconsistent with what would reasonably be expected given the force or direction of the contact."

I fail to see how you think he's exaggerating his reactions to being hit.

[MrDollarBills]

They're not going to call that at that point in the game.

There were so many things going on that I didn't even notice that. All I saw was Blatche 1) run away when he had the opportunity to take a closer shot and 2) throw the worst pass to D-Will I've seen in ages.

His pass was the perfect symbol of us last night. He literally threw any chance we had away.

Not blaming the refs one bit for that.

Exactly. The Nets and only the Nets have themselves to blame for this loss.

Lowry can flop all he wants. If the Nets actually showed up last night that wouldn't be an issue.

[pkiskool]

LoL @ all raps fans on this BK board/thread

[pkiskool]

i really hope i dont have to drink myself to sleep tonight... Lets go NETS

You must be hung over.

[Vlade Divac]

Flopping? Are we talking about flopping? We are not talking about the game, we are talking about flopping. Flopping?

This is from me, master of this crafty skill. Check my highlights on YouTube to see what is the real master of flopping.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgPHIT61FfU[/youtube]

[kerry kittles]

Flopping? Are we talking about flopping? We are not talking about the game, we are talking about flopping. Flopping?

This is from me, master of this crafty skill. Check my highlights on YouTube to see what is the real master of flopping.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgPHIT61FfU[/youtube]

Vlade Divac, the master of the craft, in here talking about other people flopping

[Rich Rane]

LoL @ all raps fans on this BK board/thread

Dumb s**t posts like this. What the hell was the point of this? How does this add to discussion?

[kerry kittles]

Flop = falling on purpose when there was no contact/very little contact

Charging = A player running into another player who has his feet set outside the restricted area.

It's part of the game, and Lowry is the best in the league at it. He reads plays very very well, and gets into the right position very quickly. Guy puts his body on the line every game, got to give credit to him. Toughness + talent = Kyle Lowry.

I would be super annoyed if Lowry was doing this against my team but I think he should be given more credit than being dismissed as a flopper.

"Flopping" will be defined as any physical act that appears to have been intended to cause the referees to call a foul on another player. The primary factor in determining whether a player committed a flop is whether his physical reaction to contact with another player is inconsistent with what would reasonably be expected given the force or direction of the contact.

Source: http://www.nba.com/2012/news/10/03/anti ... index.html

Does Lowry fit that definition? Yes, he does. He's trying to get the ref to call a foul on another player meets criteria B. his physical reaction to contact is inconsistent he meets criteria B. A 6 foot 205 pound bulldog that flails on jumpers and falls over at the slightest contact is inconsistent with what one would expect

This is the key line "The primary factor in determining whether a player committed a flop is whether his physical reaction to contact with another player is inconsistent with what would reasonably be expected given the force or direction of the contact."

I fail to see how you think he's exaggerating his reactions to being hit.

I don't think someone of Lowry's build would fall over everytime He's hit. There were a number of objective fans yesterday in the GT calling him a flopper, Raptors fans are as well. Like I said I've got a ton of respect for the heart and passion he exudes on the court. If DWill had half that we may have won the series. The main knock on him in my eyes is his flopping.

[Paradise]

I wonder If Lowry would have played this good for us if Billy pulled the trigger on the deal. Maybe Lowry kicking Deron's ass in practices and scrimmages would have lit a fire under him.

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What prevented King from not pulling the trigger on that deal anyway?

Another fireable offense. You trade picks out the ass for two washed up dudes yet get antsy about trading for one of the league's top PGs.

**** this franchise, seriously.

The 2019 pick and Bogdanovic rights aka our last remaining assets.

[DarkXaero]

Whatever helps you sleep at night...

I see two players going for a rebound, one who is in front of the other.... Livingston came from behind.. if anything that looked more like an over-the-back foul (even tho it isn't) than trying to call Demar for one.

Not sure how many times I need to break down the sequence, but I already mentioned it's both of them going for the rebound. That's usually what happens in loose ball fouls. Livingston was initially behind but got to the ball before DeRozan (without impeding DeRozan), DeRozan collided with him in mid air. It's a loose ball foul.

[DarkXaero]

Are Raps fans seriously going to defend Lowry's flopping? Have some dignity & just admit it, move on. The guy exaggerates any semblance of contact to manufacture calls that might not be there, that IS flopping. Flopping isn't just about faking contact when there is none. It's also about exaggerating contact.

If Lowry was a Net instead, there would be an outrage by Raps fans.

[SHFT]

Hey guys, crazy game I was going to punch my TV if you guys pulled it through lol.

Hopefully we knock you out in BKN but my gut is telling me this is going 7 games. Best of luck! (but not really lol)

Oh, and to all the people calling Kyle a flopper, you should take a good look at Deron Williams being "elbowed" by Lowry I think in Game 1, someone posted it in the last page. Lowry is the best in the league at taking charges hands down so yes he is going to get the benefit of the refs...same way KG gets by with his screens.

Also, if Kidd is going to try and call us out via Twitter, he should at least remember he asked one of your guys to hit him, purposely spilled his drink to get an extra minute or two...so yeah.....

[DarkXaero]

Hey guys, crazy game I was going to punch my TV if you guys pulled it through lol.

Hopefully we knock you out in BKN but my gut is telling me this is going 7 games. Best of luck! (but not really lol)

Oh, and to all the people calling Kyle a flopper, you should take a good look at Deron Williams being "elbowed" by Lowry I think in Game 1, someone posted it in the last page. Lowry is the best in the league at taking charges hands down so yes he is going to get the benefit of the refs...same way KG gets by with his screens.

Also, if Kidd is going to try and call us out via Twitter, he should at least remember he asked one of your guys to hit him, purposely spilled his drink to get an extra minute or two...so yeah.....

Except Deron actually was elbowed by Lowry during game 1...

I think your biased Canadian coverage didn't show the right angle, but the ESPN and YES coverage clearly showed Deron getting elbowed by Lowry. Say whatever about Deron, but the guy doesn't flop, it's just not in his DNA.

As for Kidd's spillgate incident, it's completely irrelevant right now to this series.

[SHFT]

Hey guys, crazy game I was going to punch my TV if you guys pulled it through lol.

Hopefully we knock you out in BKN but my gut is telling me this is going 7 games. Best of luck! (but not really lol)

Oh, and to all the people calling Kyle a flopper, you should take a good look at Deron Williams being "elbowed" by Lowry I think in Game 1, someone posted it in the last page. Lowry is the best in the league at taking charges hands down so yes he is going to get the benefit of the refs...same way KG gets by with his screens.

Also, if Kidd is going to try and call us out via Twitter, he should at least remember he asked one of your guys to hit him, purposely spilled his drink to get an extra minute or two...so yeah.....

Except Deron actually was elbowed by Lowry during game 1...

I think your biased Canadian coverage didn't show the right angle, but the ESPN and YES coverage clearly showed Deron getting elbowed by Lowry. Say whatever about Deron, but the guy doesn't flop, it's just not in his DNA.

As for Kidd's spillgate incident, it's completely irrelevant right now to this series.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s2t_O6p3js[/youtube]

He gets touched, he falls to the floor like he was shot....you think when Lowry takes a charge he doesn't get touched??? There is a little contact, Lowry exaggerated it and you guys all scream flop.

Happens to DWIL (a little contact) and all of a sudden it isn't a flop???

[pkiskool]

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