PG: We Battled

[DarkXaero]

Hey guys, crazy game I was going to punch my TV if you guys pulled it through lol.

Hopefully we knock you out in BKN but my gut is telling me this is going 7 games. Best of luck! (but not really lol)

Oh, and to all the people calling Kyle a flopper, you should take a good look at Deron Williams being "elbowed" by Lowry I think in Game 1, someone posted it in the last page. Lowry is the best in the league at taking charges hands down so yes he is going to get the benefit of the refs...same way KG gets by with his screens.

Also, if Kidd is going to try and call us out via Twitter, he should at least remember he asked one of your guys to hit him, purposely spilled his drink to get an extra minute or two...so yeah.....

Except Deron actually was elbowed by Lowry during game 1...

I think your biased Canadian coverage didn't show the right angle, but the ESPN and YES coverage clearly showed Deron getting elbowed by Lowry. Say whatever about Deron, but the guy doesn't flop, it's just not in his DNA.

As for Kidd's spillgate incident, it's completely irrelevant right now to this series.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s2t_O6p3js[/youtube]

He gets touched, he falls to the floor like he was shot....you think when Lowry takes a charge he doesn't get touched??? There is a little contact, Lowry exaggerated it and you guys all scream flop.

Happens to DWIL (a little contact) and all of a sudden it isn't a flop???

Uhh, that's not a flop, he got hit in the face there, and the replay is showing it in slow-mo, the actual hit happened a lot faster (and harder). That's not getting touched, it's getting hit.

Lowry exaggerates everything. He exaggerates charges (that are sometimes not really charges), he exaggerates touch fouls, he exaggerates contact on his drives, he exaggerates contact on his jumpers. That 3 point foul yesterday in the first half actually had zero contact, but Lowry sold the **** out of it.

[HelloBrooklyn]

not trying to be a dick... but that is seriously the dumbest thing i ever heard. a bigger victory for us when they WON THE GAME?!

they showed their ace in the hole... yea, that ace is they are a better team who plays harder. not sure how that helps us. veteran team? what good is it when the only experience our best player has is turtling when it counts most?

It's because we actually built a momentum. We haven't been able to shoot the whole series except for this game. Yeah we lost but, again I never thought we would win game 5 and not many others thought the same. You need to understand we need this kinds of stride for this team to grow more. What I mean is this team has a better understanding of what it takes to win because of this game. i.e. having this type of game, if we survive this series, it will give us a bigger boost on playing against better teams. If we took the lead 3-1 and beat the raps in an easy series this team will have a much more stubborn mentality. Which will most likely loose to the Heat. Since this team literally only worries about the game plan and believe we can roll on them just for that sole reason.

I don't give a **** if you don't understand what i'm saying. All I'm saying is next game we will dominate the raps and game 7 will be up for grabs. Quote me on that if you want

What good is momentum if you lose? lol. you know whats super deflating? erasing a 26 point defecit and then not making the clutch plays to pull out the win. It is a 7 game series, loses are ENORMOUS. and a bajillion times bigger the idiotic moral victories.

if the momentum couldnt carry us to close out 3 minutes, why in the world would it carry us to close out 96 minutes?

to think you would rather be down 3-2 and have "momentum" instead of being up 3-1 is seriously beyond idiotic. you know what gives us a REALLY poor chance at beating miami? losing to the raptors and not advancing. And the thought that we would have any chance against miami if we did advance is pretty homerific anyhow.

either way. to think Momentum in a loss > winning game 5... there are just no words for that. its riddiculous to post such nonsense

What you lack to understand is that creating better chemistry and playing better is a process. There will be ups and downs but the way you answer and the way you fight back is what creates a better and stronger team (i.e. life). Yeah we lost but again we still haven't lost the series. This team was built in one year so the strides coming in early on meaningful games is much better than coming in later on. Yeah we lost this game but the fact that we caught up from a 26 point deficit is something much bigger. Sometimes you have to look at the game in a realistic stand point which is 26 points is just way to big of a feat to overcome. However, the fact that we are able to shoot on what is to be expected from this team is a huge upside to a person mentally. It shows that they are capable on something much bigger. And that is bigger than a win. One game, even though it put us on the danger of elimination, is still ONLY ONE GAME. I would take your point of view IF we were eliminated but AGAIN we are still not eliminated.

[MrDollarBills]

"Flopping" will be defined as any physical act that appears to have been intended to cause the referees to call a foul on another player. The primary factor in determining whether a player committed a flop is whether his physical reaction to contact with another player is inconsistent with what would reasonably be expected given the force or direction of the contact.

Source: http://www.nba.com/2012/news/10/03/anti ... index.html

Does Lowry fit that definition? Yes, he does. He's trying to get the ref to call a foul on another player meets criteria B. his physical reaction to contact is inconsistent he meets criteria B. A 6 foot 205 pound bulldog that flails on jumpers and falls over at the slightest contact is inconsistent with what one would expect

This is the key line "The primary factor in determining whether a player committed a flop is whether his physical reaction to contact with another player is inconsistent with what would reasonably be expected given the force or direction of the contact."

I fail to see how you think he's exaggerating his reactions to being hit.

I don't think someone of Lowry's build would fall over everytime He's hit. There were a number of objective fans yesterday in the GT calling him a flopper, Raptors fans are as well. Like I said I've got a ton of respect for the heart and passion he exudes on the court. If DWill had half that we may have won the series. The main knock on him in my eyes is his flopping.

I'm more upset about the way Lowry made D-Will flop to the floor when he crossed him up from here to Timbuktu.

Oh wait, that wasn't a flop, that was just one of the most overpaid players in the sport getting his ankles snapped in half

[MrDollarBills]

It's because we actually built a momentum. We haven't been able to shoot the whole series except for this game. Yeah we lost but, again I never thought we would win game 5 and not many others thought the same. You need to understand we need this kinds of stride for this team to grow more. What I mean is this team has a better understanding of what it takes to win because of this game. i.e. having this type of game, if we survive this series, it will give us a bigger boost on playing against better teams. If we took the lead 3-1 and beat the raps in an easy series this team will have a much more stubborn mentality. Which will most likely loose to the Heat. Since this team literally only worries about the game plan and believe we can roll on them just for that sole reason.

I don't give a **** if you don't understand what i'm saying. All I'm saying is next game we will dominate the raps and game 7 will be up for grabs. Quote me on that if you want

What good is momentum if you lose? lol. you know whats super deflating? erasing a 26 point defecit and then not making the clutch plays to pull out the win. It is a 7 game series, loses are ENORMOUS. and a bajillion times bigger the idiotic moral victories.

if the momentum couldnt carry us to close out 3 minutes, why in the world would it carry us to close out 96 minutes?

to think you would rather be down 3-2 and have "momentum" instead of being up 3-1 is seriously beyond idiotic. you know what gives us a REALLY poor chance at beating miami? losing to the raptors and not advancing. And the thought that we would have any chance against miami if we did advance is pretty homerific anyhow.

either way. to think Momentum in a loss > winning game 5... there are just no words for that. its riddiculous to post such nonsense

What you lack to understand is that creating better chemistry and playing better is a process. There will be ups and downs but the way you answer and the way you fight back is what creates a better and stronger team (i.e. life). Yeah we lost but again we still haven't lost the series. This team was built in one year so the strides coming in early on meaningful games is much better than coming in later on. Yeah we lost this game but the fact that we caught up from a 26 point deficit is something much bigger. Sometimes you have to look at the game in a realistic stand point which is 26 points is just way to big of a feat to overcome. However, the fact that we are able to shoot on what is to be expected from this team is a huge upside to a person mentally. It shows that they are capable on something much bigger. And that is bigger than a win. One game, even though it put us on the danger of elimination, is still ONLY ONE GAME. I would take your point of view IF we were eliminated but AGAIN we are still not eliminated.

How are we creating better chemistry when 4/5ths of the starting line were absolutely dreadful last night?

If your idea of chemistry is standing around and watching Joe Johnson go 1 vs. 5 while everyone else plays like ****, we may need to re evaluate your understanding of what chemistry actually is.

[SHFT]

Except Deron actually was elbowed by Lowry during game 1...

I think your biased Canadian coverage didn't show the right angle, but the ESPN and YES coverage clearly showed Deron getting elbowed by Lowry. Say whatever about Deron, but the guy doesn't flop, it's just not in his DNA.

As for Kidd's spillgate incident, it's completely irrelevant right now to this series.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s2t_O6p3js[/youtube]

He gets touched, he falls to the floor like he was shot....you think when Lowry takes a charge he doesn't get touched??? There is a little contact, Lowry exaggerated it and you guys all scream flop.

Happens to DWIL (a little contact) and all of a sudden it isn't a flop???

Uhh, that's not a flop, he got hit in the face there, and the replay is showing it in slow-mo, the actual hit happened a lot faster (and harder). That's not getting touched, it's getting hit.

Lowry exaggerates everything. He exaggerates charges (that are sometimes not really charges), he exaggerates touch fouls, he exaggerates contact on his drives, he exaggerates contact on his jumpers. That 3 point foul yesterday in the first half actually had zero contact, but Lowry sold the **** out of it.

Whatever man, not going to argue about this considering we are cheering for opposing teams.

[HelloBrooklyn]

What good is momentum if you lose? lol. you know whats super deflating? erasing a 26 point defecit and then not making the clutch plays to pull out the win. It is a 7 game series, loses are ENORMOUS. and a bajillion times bigger the idiotic moral victories.

if the momentum couldnt carry us to close out 3 minutes, why in the world would it carry us to close out 96 minutes?

to think you would rather be down 3-2 and have "momentum" instead of being up 3-1 is seriously beyond idiotic. you know what gives us a REALLY poor chance at beating miami? losing to the raptors and not advancing. And the thought that we would have any chance against miami if we did advance is pretty homerific anyhow.

either way. to think Momentum in a loss > winning game 5... there are just no words for that. its riddiculous to post such nonsense

What you lack to understand is that creating better chemistry and playing better is a process. There will be ups and downs but the way you answer and the way you fight back is what creates a better and stronger team (i.e. life). Yeah we lost but again we still haven't lost the series. This team was built in one year so the strides coming in early on meaningful games is much better than coming in later on. Yeah we lost this game but the fact that we caught up from a 26 point deficit is something much bigger. Sometimes you have to look at the game in a realistic stand point which is 26 points is just way to big of a feat to overcome. However, the fact that we are able to shoot on what is to be expected from this team is a huge upside to a person mentally. It shows that they are capable on something much bigger. And that is bigger than a win. One game, even though it put us on the danger of elimination, is still ONLY ONE GAME. I would take your point of view IF we were eliminated but AGAIN we are still not eliminated.

How are we creating better chemistry when 4/5ths of the starting line were absolutely dreadful last night?

If your idea of chemistry is standing around and watching Joe Johnson go 1 vs. 5 while everyone else plays like ****, we may need to re evaluate your understanding of what chemistry actually is.

Chemistry is not only understanding players tendencies on where they are comfotable at. It's also about synchronization mentally. Sounds like you never had a girlfriend that you actually like or a best friend that you can actually talk to.

[MrDollarBills]

What you lack to understand is that creating better chemistry and playing better is a process. There will be ups and downs but the way you answer and the way you fight back is what creates a better and stronger team (i.e. life). Yeah we lost but again we still haven't lost the series. This team was built in one year so the strides coming in early on meaningful games is much better than coming in later on. Yeah we lost this game but the fact that we caught up from a 26 point deficit is something much bigger. Sometimes you have to look at the game in a realistic stand point which is 26 points is just way to big of a feat to overcome. However, the fact that we are able to shoot on what is to be expected from this team is a huge upside to a person mentally. It shows that they are capable on something much bigger. And that is bigger than a win. One game, even though it put us on the danger of elimination, is still ONLY ONE GAME. I would take your point of view IF we were eliminated but AGAIN we are still not eliminated.

How are we creating better chemistry when 4/5ths of the starting line were absolutely dreadful last night?

If your idea of chemistry is standing around and watching Joe Johnson go 1 vs. 5 while everyone else plays like ****, we may need to re evaluate your understanding of what chemistry actually is.

Chemistry is not only understanding players tendencies on where they are comfotable at. It's also about synchronization mentally. Sounds like you never had a girlfriend that you actually like or a best friend that you can actually talk to.

This is an absolutely stupid post. You're just throwing **** at the wall and hoping that it sticks. What was so synchronized about the way we ended that game? D-Will sure looked in tune with everyone else as he played passively and cowardly while Joe Johnson was taking it to the Raptors. Of all the nonsense I've read on RealGM this really ranks up there.

For the record, I am happily married, but if you want to get personal we can, but I doubt Rich or jac would like that.

[HelloBrooklyn]

How are we creating better chemistry when 4/5ths of the starting line were absolutely dreadful last night?

If your idea of chemistry is standing around and watching Joe Johnson go 1 vs. 5 while everyone else plays like ****, we may need to re evaluate your understanding of what chemistry actually is.

Chemistry is not only understanding players tendencies on where they are comfotable at. It's also about synchronization mentally. Sounds like you never had a girlfriend that you actually like or a best friend that you can actually talk to.

This is an absolutely stupid post. You're just throwing **** at the wall and hoping that it sticks. What was so synchronized about the way we ended that game? D-Will sure looked in tune with everyone else as he played passively and cowardly while Joe Johnson was taking it to the Raptors. Of all the nonsense I've read on RealGM this really ranks up there.

For the record, I am happily married, but if you want to get personal we can, but I doubt Rich or jac would like that.

I'm not trying to get personal with you. I'm trying to figure out how to give you a better explanation because I know i'm terrible at delivering my opinion. So let me ask you? With your wife, you guys obviously consider the two of you as a unit right? You guys make decision together right? So if your wife gets promoted at her job or achieve something great how do you feel? Do you feel happy for her doing what she did? Or you feel nothing? If your answer is the second one then you should reflect on your life. My point is if your answer is the first one, the fact that didn't do anything and yet feel some sort of joy in your life because of the unit that you are in shows what? So you can use that analogy in basketball obviously take out the intimate part of your love life.

[MGrand15]

By flopping are you referring to the pump fake 3s? Or charges he takes?

I'm referring to:
The flailing and kicking his legs on a 3 acting like he can shot in the 1st half where DWill didn't touch him.

Coming out of a timeout with the Nets up 8 the ball went to Anderson in the corner who drove it on Lowry who flopped. Thank god no call was made and Anderson made the layup to cut it to 6

After Joe hit the 3: Lowry falls to the ground when bumped by Mirza in the backcourt. I would say it's a foul, but Lowry still sold it.

Next possession flops on Anderson's drive to the basket.

Game 1 he had a big flop against DWill in the 4th, another one in the 4th of game 2 against Anderson. There have been others in less critical moments of the game. The NBA clearly doesn't take the flopping issue seriously or he would've been fined. It's an absolute joke that he hasn't been fined once, I'd love a no biased Raptors fan to tell me this man hasn't flipped once this series

Instead of complaining about Lowry flopping, complain about the fact that the Nets quit within the middle of a pivotal game 5 on the road.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. I'm tired of it

You can complain about both you know. It's not against the rules to talk about more than one subject.

Lowry had a bunch of momentum KILLING flops. The one on Mirza in the backcourt. The one on AA while he was driving in. We could've stole this game.

Our start was unexcusable but I can't **** stand see the refs give Lowry every call and fall for his flopping EVERY single time. He's one of the strongest PGs in the league yet the refs believe he actually falls whenever another person touches him. The refs need to man up and swallow their whistles or call it both ways. Just because JJ plays through the contact instead of crying doesn't mean it's not a foul.

[House12]

PGs I'd take over Deron, in no order:

-Kyle Lowry
-Rajon Rondo
-Kyrie Irving
-John Wall
-Kemba Walker
-Jeff Teague
-Russell Westbrook
-Damian Lillard
-Ty Lawson
-Chris Paul
-Stephen Curry
-Goran Dragic
-Isaiah Thomas
-Tony Parker
-Jeremy Lin
-Mike Conley

Deron is the 17th best PG in the NBA imo.

I could add few more to this list. Deron is so overrated, it s a shame cause he has talent, not sure what s wrong with him

Interesting that no one wants Rose.
Also, clearly better than Jeremy Lin and Kemba Walker.
A bunch of others are debatable.

[Paradise]

LoL @ all raps fans on this BK board/thread

Dumb s**t posts like this. What the hell was the point of this? How does this add to discussion?

It adds that we are more passionate than you fondue eating douches

It adds that you are an embarrassment and haven't accomplished a damn thing as a franchise to even act so macho. Quit while your ahead.

[asuran]

Dumb s**t posts like this. What the hell was the point of this? How does this add to discussion?

It adds that we are more passionate than you fondue eating douches

It adds that you are an embarrassment and haven't accomplished a damn thing as a franchise to even act so macho. Quit while your ahead.

N Brooklyn here accomplished a lot. We're pretty much on even grounds on achievements.
Those brash young guns vs the calm humbled n battled vets.

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[therealbig3]

PGs I'd take over Deron, in no order:

-Kyle Lowry
-Rajon Rondo
-Kyrie Irving
-John Wall
-Kemba Walker
-Jeff Teague
-Russell Westbrook
-Damian Lillard
-Ty Lawson
-Chris Paul
-Stephen Curry
-Goran Dragic
-Isaiah Thomas
-Tony Parker
-Jeremy Lin
-Mike Conley

Deron is the 17th best PG in the NBA imo.

I could add few more to this list. Deron is so overrated, it s a shame cause he has talent, not sure what s wrong with him

Interesting that no one wants Rose.
Also, clearly better than Jeremy Lin and Kemba Walker.
A bunch of others are debatable.

Nah, I would take Lin and Kemba over D-Will without much hesitation. To me, there's a lot of things that you can do as a PG that won't show up in the numbers. Dribble penetration, hockey assists, offensive rebounding opportunities, etc. D-Will doesn't do any of that. He can put up good efficiency because he's a good spot up shooter, and he'll get assists, because he'll pass for semi-contested jumpers. But Lin actually attacks the basket. Walker actually attacks the basket. They provide speed and athleticism. D-Will doesn't.

As for Rose, he's injured. Hard to take him when he can't even play. But yeah, I'd absolutely take a healthy Rose over Deron, no question.

[kerry kittles]

It adds that we are more passionate than you fondue eating douches

It adds that you are an embarrassment and haven't accomplished a damn thing as a franchise to even act so macho. Quit while your ahead.

N Brooklyn here accomplished a lot. We're pretty much on even grounds on achievements.
Those brash young guns vs the calm humbled n battled vets.

Sent from my GT-N5110 using RealGM Forums mobile app

What back to back final appearances is nothing?

[Paradise]

It adds that we are more passionate than you fondue eating douches

It adds that you are an embarrassment and haven't accomplished a damn thing as a franchise to even act so macho. Quit while your ahead.

N Brooklyn here accomplished a lot. We're pretty much on even grounds on achievements.
Those brash young guns vs the calm humbled n battled vets.

Sent from my GT-N5110 using RealGM Forums mobile app

Raptors:

6 playoff Appearances
2 Atlantic Division Titles
1 second round Appearances
625 franchise wins

Nets:

25 playoff Appearances
5 Atlantic Division Titles
11 second round Appearances
2 NBA Finals Appearances
2 ABA Championships
1,675 franchise wins

In what realm are both teams on even grounds historically? Your franchise was considering a full rebrand including a name change because nobody paid them any attention in Canada but now you feel the need to brag about passionate fans? Please. The Nets don't have an elite history but they have accomplished much more than the Raptors ever did. Raptor fans coming in here trolling like you have some great list of accomplishments is rather pathetic and a large part as to why nobody likes your fanbase in our forum.

[MrDollarBills]

I could add few more to this list. Deron is so overrated, it s a shame cause he has talent, not sure what s wrong with him

Interesting that no one wants Rose.
Also, clearly better than Jeremy Lin and Kemba Walker.
A bunch of others are debatable.

Nah, I would take Lin and Kemba over D-Will without much hesitation. To me, there's a lot of things that you can do as a PG that won't show up in the numbers. Dribble penetration, hockey assists, offensive rebounding opportunities, etc. D-Will doesn't do any of that. He can put up good efficiency because he's a good spot up shooter, and he'll get assists, because he'll pass for semi-contested jumpers. But Lin actually attacks the basket. Walker actually attacks the basket. They provide speed and athleticism. D-Will doesn't.

As for Rose, he's injured. Hard to take him when he can't even play. But yeah, I'd absolutely take a healthy Rose over Deron, no question.

To even consider D-Will better than Walker at this point is hilarious.

I would take Reggie Jackson over D-Will for christ's sake

[Prokorov]

What you lack to understand is that creating better chemistry and playing better is a process. There will be ups and downs but the way you answer and the way you fight back is what creates a better and stronger team (i.e. life). Yeah we lost but again we still haven't lost the series. This team was built in one year so the strides coming in early on meaningful games is much better than coming in later on. Yeah we lost this game but the fact that we caught up from a 26 point deficit is something much bigger. Sometimes you have to look at the game in a realistic stand point which is 26 points is just way to big of a feat to overcome. However, the fact that we are able to shoot on what is to be expected from this team is a huge upside to a person mentally. It shows that they are capable on something much bigger. And that is bigger than a win. One game, even though it put us on the danger of elimination, is still ONLY ONE GAME. I would take your point of view IF we were eliminated but AGAIN we are still not eliminated.

Process? Building something bigger?

We got waxed for 3 quarters and then folded in the last 3 minutes in the clutch after we tied it. they made all the big shots late. what exactly is "built" there?

this isnt a team of 25 year old guys, where you carry this into future seasons. this is it. this playoff series is it... and having lost game 5. thats 100000 times bigger then "gaining chemisty". what good is chemistry when we are eliminated watching toronto take on miami?

[Prokorov]

How are we creating better chemistry when 4/5ths of the starting line were absolutely dreadful last night?

If your idea of chemistry is standing around and watching Joe Johnson go 1 vs. 5 while everyone else plays like ****, we may need to re evaluate your understanding of what chemistry actually is.

Chemistry is not only understanding players tendencies on where they are comfotable at. It's also about synchronization mentally. Sounds like you never had a girlfriend that you actually like or a best friend that you can actually talk to.

This is an absolutely stupid post. You're just throwing **** at the wall and hoping that it sticks. What was so synchronized about the way we ended that game? D-Will sure looked in tune with everyone else as he played passively and cowardly while Joe Johnson was taking it to the Raptors. Of all the nonsense I've read on RealGM this really ranks up there.

For the record, I am happily married, but if you want to get personal we can, but I doubt Rich or jac would like that.

we were so in sync that blatche airmailed our last possesion over williams head and into the back court

[HelloBrooklyn]

What you lack to understand is that creating better chemistry and playing better is a process. There will be ups and downs but the way you answer and the way you fight back is what creates a better and stronger team (i.e. life). Yeah we lost but again we still haven't lost the series. This team was built in one year so the strides coming in early on meaningful games is much better than coming in later on. Yeah we lost this game but the fact that we caught up from a 26 point deficit is something much bigger. Sometimes you have to look at the game in a realistic stand point which is 26 points is just way to big of a feat to overcome. However, the fact that we are able to shoot on what is to be expected from this team is a huge upside to a person mentally. It shows that they are capable on something much bigger. And that is bigger than a win. One game, even though it put us on the danger of elimination, is still ONLY ONE GAME. I would take your point of view IF we were eliminated but AGAIN we are still not eliminated.

Process? Building something bigger?

We got waxed for 3 quarters and then folded in the last 3 minutes in the clutch after we tied it. they made all the big shots late. what exactly is "built" there?

this isnt a team of 25 year old guys, where you carry this into future seasons. this is it. this playoff series is it... and having lost game 5. thats 100000 times bigger then "gaining chemisty". what good is chemistry when we are eliminated watching toronto take on miami?

Its the fact that we are able to see the ball go through the hoops from all the adversity of the series. We haven't been able to do that all series long until this game. Everyone played well at that last quarter. This is something to build on when its something urgent. Yeah it's still a process, even veteran teams needs this type scenario no matter what. You know why? Because at the end of the day we are only humans. Veteran plays is only prominent because they would make the right plays and a better understanding to not back down when times get rough. That' is what to build here. So yeah it is still a process.

Again, you talk like we got eliminated and yet we are still in it.

[HelloBrooklyn]

Chemistry is not only understanding players tendencies on where they are comfotable at. It's also about synchronization mentally. Sounds like you never had a girlfriend that you actually like or a best friend that you can actually talk to.

This is an absolutely stupid post. You're just throwing **** at the wall and hoping that it sticks. What was so synchronized about the way we ended that game? D-Will sure looked in tune with everyone else as he played passively and cowardly while Joe Johnson was taking it to the Raptors. Of all the nonsense I've read on RealGM this really ranks up there.

For the record, I am happily married, but if you want to get personal we can, but I doubt Rich or jac would like that.

we were so in sync that blatche airmailed our last possesion over williams head and into the back court

If you watch the replay Lowry obviously tipped (if you understands physics) that ball and Dwill's last shot was goal tended.

The refs didn't see it at the spur of the moment from all the other intangibles that were going on. It was just an unlucky break.