Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong

[milellie111]

Yeah, but you've also written:

OMG why is Wall committing so many turnovers -- he's just about the most over-rated player in the league!

and

Beal's neck is too short. Short-necked player never pan out. I know because I was a short-necked player before I quit the game and joined Ernie's payroll.

And on top of that you bite the hand that feeds you!

However magnificent Ernie is, he allocates his money very poorly. Do you know how little he pays me?

and worst of all

People who don't agree with me are jerks. In fact, people who make a point of not agreeing with other people who have no idea what they are talking about, you know... people like me?, are all jerks.

Ok, they're right not to agree -- but they are still jerks!

I just don't understand how any self-respecting troll can post those kind of remarks. Have you thought about taking correspondence school courses on Internet trolling?

Lol funny, however I never wrote any of that. You simply wrote those quotes. Provide links to the thread i wrote that stuff to prove it.

[TGW]

Just for shts and gigs, here are some priceless quotes from a bonafide Wizards fan:

milellie111 wrote:
I am looking forward to Crawford coming in and taking over Beals starting spot. I think right now, Crawford is the better player and he definitely plays with more confidence and swagger than Beal. Crawford can at least create his own shot, something Beal doesn't do.

milellie111 wrote:
[On Wittman] Who knows if those guys are really as bad as they seem. They could be, or they could be hampered by a bad coach. I actually think Seraphin could be a dominant big man. However he has a coach who allows him to shoot at will like a SG instead of being developed into an actual post player.

milellie111 wrote:
Whittman is a freaking idiot. Why keep Singleton in the game when he provides nothing for this offense? Great job in sitting Webster and Okafor so the game gets out of hand. Many of the Wizards losses could be wins if it werent for this pee wee league coach.

milellie111 wrote:
It would be a 5-game win streak.....if Randy wasnt a moron.

milellie111 wrote:
Wall is an idiot

milellie111 wrote:
Trade wall for the number 1 pick. I dont have a problem with AJ price who is a better passer, shooter and smarter player leading this team at Pg

milellie111 wrote:
John Wall franchise player??? Hes barely the 4th best player on the team right now:

1. Nene
2.Beal
3. Okafor
4.Wall

milellie111 wrote:
I would shop Wall along with him [him referring to Bradley Beal]. Just see if we get any major offers.His defense is atrocious on Rubio

milellie111 wrote:
Yes i know how basketball and the NBA works.Don't understand the love fest with Ariza (whom many here were viewing as trade bait anyway) and porter who looks very disappointing so far.It has nothing to do with giving up on him too early.He has not shown ANYTHING of note.

again, look at Deng and boozers stats and impact on the game (Without Rose!) and then come back and tell me this team couldnt use them.

Perhaps send a Draft pick if Chicago asks for more to get it done

Ariza, Porter, and a pick for Boozer and Deng? Sounds like a great idea.

milellie111 wrote:
Kyrie= baller

Wall??? 80m dollar thief

milellie111 wrote:
Trade Wall and Ariza to OKC for Westbrook and Thabo Sefalosha now!!!

The Nuggets decided to axe Coach of the Year George Karl because he wanted an extension. The Wizards should be on the phone right now with Karl trying to get him in here ASAP. This team needs a legit coach. Randy Whittman will lead this team nowhere, he is simply still a stop gap. Along with the #3 pick, a legit winning coach could do wonders for this team.

There's pages and pages of this nonsense/trolling...I could be here all week posting this trash, but I feel as though this is enough for the week. Too much time dedicated on exposing a troll.

[milellie111]

Just for shts and gigs, here are some priceless quotes from a bonafide Wizards fan:

milellie111 wrote:
I am looking forward to Crawford coming in and taking over Beals starting spot. I think right now, Crawford is the better player and he definitely plays with more confidence and swagger than Beal. Crawford can at least create his own shot, something Beal doesn't do.

milellie111 wrote:
[On Wittman] Who knows if those guys are really as bad as they seem. They could be, or they could be hampered by a bad coach. I actually think Seraphin could be a dominant big man. However he has a coach who allows him to shoot at will like a SG instead of being developed into an actual post player.

milellie111 wrote:
Whittman is a freaking idiot. Why keep Singleton in the game when he provides nothing for this offense? Great job in sitting Webster and Okafor so the game gets out of hand. Many of the Wizards losses could be wins if it werent for this pee wee league coach.

milellie111 wrote:
It would be a 5-game win streak.....if Randy wasnt a moron.

milellie111 wrote:
Wall is an idiot

milellie111 wrote:
Trade wall for the number 1 pick. I dont have a problem with AJ price who is a better passer, shooter and smarter player leading this team at Pg

milellie111 wrote:
John Wall franchise player??? Hes barely the 4th best player on the team right now:

1. Nene
2.Beal
3. Okafor
4.Wall

milellie111 wrote:
I would shop Wall along with him [him referring to Bradley Beal]. Just see if we get any major offers.His defense is atrocious on Rubio

milellie111 wrote:
Yes i know how basketball and the NBA works.Don't understand the love fest with Ariza (whom many here were viewing as trade bait anyway) and porter who looks very disappointing so far.It has nothing to do with giving up on him too early.He has not shown ANYTHING of note.

again, look at Deng and boozers stats and impact on the game (Without Rose!) and then come back and tell me this team couldnt use them.

Perhaps send a Draft pick if Chicago asks for more to get it done

Ariza, Porter, and a pick for Boozer and Deng? Sounds like a great idea.

milellie111 wrote:
Kyrie= baller

Wall??? 80m dollar thief

milellie111 wrote:
Trade Wall and Ariza to OKC for Westbrook and Thabo Sefalosha now!!!

The Nuggets decided to axe Coach of the Year George Karl because he wanted an extension. The Wizards should be on the phone right now with Karl trying to get him in here ASAP. This team needs a legit coach. Randy Whittman will lead this team nowhere, he is simply still a stop gap. Along with the #3 pick, a legit winning coach could do wonders for this team.

There's pages and pages of this nonsense/trolling...I could be here all week posting this trash, but I feel as though this is enough for the week. Too much time dedicated on exposing a troll.

Except i'm not denying that I wrote that. Post the dates won't you? The team looked very bad. A fan can have a change of heart and gain excitement once their team does a 180, starts playing well and make the playoffs. However, you were negative then and are still negative now even though the team is successful. That either makes you a troll, ignorant or out of touch with reality. Perhaps you are all three.

I would rather rely on the opinion of Ted and NBA analysts who have way more knowledge and experience than some random forum wannabe know it all like yourself. We can easily go back and pull up some of your old posts which would contradict your current views. Lol. Such as when you said don't blame Wittman, its the players, then later you started bashing Wittman.

[AFM]

80m dollar thief

I like dat

[TGW]

80m dollar thief

I like dat

Apparently, AJ Price deserves the money more than Wall does.

[tontoz]

[closg00]

Case-closed in Miley being a Grunfeld pyschophant, and troll extraordinaire. Lock the thread:

[dckingsfan]

Case-closed in Miley being a Grunfeld pyschophant, and troll extraordinaire. Lock the thread:

Agreed - we do not need to embarrass him any longer - lock it...

[montestewart]

Lock it? These last few pages have been epic.

[hands11]

How about people that don't like this thread just post in this one instead

Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2)
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[Jay81]

Grunfeld is a great GM. I have been proven wrong

[dckingsfan]

Lock it? These last few pages have been epic.

I find it humorous as well... but geez - Millie has been just crushed. I guess he could change his name and start over...

[MikeTheKid]

This thread has become pure GOLD, HOF worthy!!!

[montestewart]

Lock it? These last few pages have been epic.

I find it humorous as well... but geez - Millie has been just crushed. I guess he could change his name and start over…

Would Richard Simmons change his name? HELL NO!

[doclinkin]

Eh. A troll is someone who posts solely to stir up reaction. WTA is a troll. millsy is a fan, right or wrong. He has a contrarian viewpoint but if this squad does make it past the next round, or acquits themselves well against a rejuvenated Pacers, it may be galling but you' have to say that millsy's viewpoint is closer to the truth than that of the doubters in this here echochamber.

And if we end up in the ECF's and test the LeBJ's and our young squad takes great strides in improving and that carries over into next year, well sh-t, I expect some on here will have to grudgingly nod and say ok we may be on the right track.

And if this squad -- unlikely as it seems-- actually beats the Bron outta them, not impossible, and goes to the Finals. Pretty sure folks on this board would be giddy enough to suck down a crow milkshake and give Ernie his props for forging a contender.

And, if -- yeah no, we ain't winning the Finals. But still, the question to me is how far does this team have to go before fans on here are willing to admit they were wrong? That Ernie (accidentally stumbled and) did a good job of building a contender. At what point do the wizsquad fans have to admit, hell, they have no idea what they were talking about? -- or leastways, that this FO changed their minds. At what point does this squad winning make you admit you're just determined to be a hater.

Me if we win the next round, against Indiana. Or play really well against them when Indy is playing at their best, and if our backcourt grows up a ton. At that point I say GMEG did a pretty good job of building a last-second contender. That we didn't just luck into it. That his maneuvers took advantage of the situation and deserve credit. At this point, if we are playing at out best, I like our chances against anybody. That's not something that has been easy to say about any Wiz squad I've watched since CWebb and them were here.

[hands11]

Thanks for posting that Doc.

[Nivek]

Eh. A troll is someone who posts solely to stir up reaction. WTA is a troll. millsy is a fan, right or wrong. He has a contrarian viewpoint but if this squad does make it past the next round, or acquits themselves well against a rejuvenated Pacers, it may be galling but you' have to say that millsy's viewpoint is closer to the truth than that of the doubters in this here echochamber.

And if we end up in the ECF's and test the LeBJ's and our young squad takes great strides in improving and that carries over into next year, well sh-t, I expect some on here will have to grudgingly nod and say ok we may be on the right track.

And if this squad -- unlikely as it seems-- actually beats the Bron outta them, not impossible, and goes to the Finals. Pretty sure folks on this board would be giddy enough to suck down a crow milkshake and give Ernie his props for forging a contender.

And, if -- yeah no, we ain't winning the Finals. But still, the question to me is how far does this team have to go before fans on here are willing to admit they were wrong? That Ernie (accidentally stumbled and) did a good job of building a contender. At what point do the wizsquad fans have to admit, hell, they have no idea what they were talking about? -- or leastways, that this FO changed their minds. At what point does this squad winning make you admit you're just determined to be a hater.

Me if we win the next round, against Indiana. Or play really well against them when Indy is playing at their best, and if our backcourt grows up a ton. At that point I say GMEG did a pretty good job of building a last-second contender. That we didn't just luck into it. That his maneuvers took advantage of the situation and deserve credit. At this point, if we are playing at out best, I like our chances against anybody. That's not something that has been easy to say about any Wiz squad I've watched since CWebb and them were here.

I would enjoy it, and I would congratulate Grunfeld, Wittman, et al., but I'd still think the team succeeded at least as much because of pure fortune (weak conference and Indiana's disintegration) than because of any skill Grunfeld employed in putting together the team. In the West, this isn't a playoff team. I think crediting Grunfeld's skill and acumen for "building" this roster would be taking the wrong lesson from the team's playoff run.

But, as I said somewhere on these boards, good fortune hasn't exactly been something the Wizards have had through the years. Why not enjoy some luck that favors the Wiz for once? I would happily take another decade of Grunfeld, another three years of Wittman for 12 more wins this season. I'd take five more years of Grunfeld and two more years of Wittman for 8 more wins this season. I'd take three more years of Grunfeld and two more years of Wittman for 4 more wins this season.

[closg00]

Eh. A troll is someone who posts solely to stir up reaction. WTA is a troll. millsy is a fan, right or wrong. He has a contrarian viewpoint but if this squad does make it past the next round, or acquits themselves well against a rejuvenated Pacers, it may be galling but you' have to say that millsy's viewpoint is closer to the truth than that of the doubters in this here echochamber.

And if we end up in the ECF's and test the LeBJ's and our young squad takes great strides in improving and that carries over into next year, well sh-t, I expect some on here will have to grudgingly nod and say ok we may be on the right track.

And if this squad -- unlikely as it seems-- actually beats the Bron outta them, not impossible, and goes to the Finals. Pretty sure folks on this board would be giddy enough to suck down a crow milkshake and give Ernie his props for forging a contender.

And, if -- yeah no, we ain't winning the Finals. But still, the question to me is how far does this team have to go before fans on here are willing to admit they were wrong? That Ernie (accidentally stumbled and) did a good job of building a contender. At what point do the wizsquad fans have to admit, hell, they have no idea what they were talking about? -- or leastways, that this FO changed their minds. At what point does this squad winning make you admit you're just determined to be a hater.

Me if we win the next round, against Indiana. Or play really well against them when Indy is playing at their best, and if our backcourt grows up a ton. At that point I say GMEG did a pretty good job of building a last-second contender. That we didn't just luck into it. That his maneuvers took advantage of the situation and deserve credit. At this point, if we are playing at out best, I like our chances against anybody. That's not something that has been easy to say about any Wiz squad I've watched since CWebb and them were here.

I would take my medicine Doc and congratulate Ernie & Randy for this seasons success, I am enjoying it like everyone else. But, it would be fools-gold to trust Ernie to build on his very good fortune after he stumbled into Gortat & Miller. How many more years of Grunfeld draft picks and pick dumps would you be willing to endure?

[leswizards]

And, if -- yeah no, we ain't winning the Finals. But still, the question to me is how far does this team have to go before fans on here are willing to admit they were wrong?

You seem to have written off winning the finals. Would you think winning the finals would be possible if the wizards hadn't blown the 6th pick on Vesely, the 17th pick on Seraphin, the 18th pick on Singleton, the biannual exemption on Maynor, getting nothing in return for Hinrich, letting Mack go too soon.

I don't judge EG by how the team does. I judge EG by what he has added to the team. I don't give him any credit for Wall and Beal. They were the obvious picks, and the team lucked into the high picks. I don't blame him for taking Porter, but I do blame him for not having a plan to make the pick provide returns this year. I give him credit for the Nene trade, but there are still questions as to how it helps the team in the long run. The Ariza/Okafor/Gortat trade has paid off well in the short run, but as for the long run, I am worried about Ariza being a career year wonder in the last year of a contract. I am not worried as much about Gortat, but I didn't like giving up a first round pick to get him for a 1 year rental. All things considered, what EG has added to this team does not out weigh his long history of failures, and in spite of their success this year, I still want him gone.

[montestewart]

Yes, the time for hand wringing, self-reflection, soul searching is now. As I've said many times, every Wizards fan needs to look into the mirror and ask,

Some fans, believers and doubters, do so without certainty. It's easier to adjust without rapid Wizards mood swings. 44-38 and a middle seed was not a surprise. That the team has talent is not a surprise, but they seem to be putting it together at the right time, and I underestimated them (or overestimated the Bulls). I'm perfectly ready to watch the Wizards exceed my expectations, and when that happens, I'll easily give credit to the Wizards brain trust, as I've mentioned in numerous other threads many times. As I learned in 1983, don't be like Mr. Cooper and say over and over, "Them Redskins are not going to no Super Bowl!"

The beauty of this thread is that the outcome hardly matters. It's the journey that counts.

Go Wiz!